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Post by The Doctor on Nov 30, 2018 21:17:24 GMT
Meanwhile the old Cars vs Planes rivalry still exists in the Targetmasters. That rivalry never existed, Phil. -Ralph |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Nov 30, 2018 21:36:21 GMT
Yes it did. 84-86 it's the backbone of the line
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Post by The Doctor on Nov 30, 2018 21:38:14 GMT
Bollocks.
Is Soundwave a plane? Are the Decepticon cassettes also planes? Is Megatron a plane? Is Jetfire a car? Are the Constructicons planes?
But...the Micromasters...they were the 84-86 characters all along!!!!
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Nov 30, 2018 21:56:27 GMT
There's arms and legs and heads there but the backbone is cars vs planes, that's the theme that keeps going 1984   1985   1986   |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Dec 1, 2018 5:42:16 GMT
There's arms and legs and heads there but the backbone is cars vs planes, that's the theme that keeps going Blurr/Hot Rod/Kup vs Cyclonus/Scourge Crosshairs/Pointblank/Sureshot vs Misfire/Slugslinger/Triggerhappy Getaway/Joyride/Slapdash vs Darkwing/Dreadwind Turbomasters vs Predators Axelerators vs Skyscorchers Gobots vs Cyberjets Hard to think of any team-vs-team examples where it's the other way around, except for Aerialbots vs Stunticons. But I don't believe they were ever intended to be Aerialcons and Stuntibots. I think they were a deliberate decision to give the Autobots a team of planes and the Deceps some cars for a change. Once they'd done it and got it out of their system, they reverted to Autobot cars and Decepticon jets. Martin |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Dec 1, 2018 7:22:34 GMT
Likewise Beast vs Machines is a rivalry the line keeps returning to: Technobots/Terrorcons & Headmasters
Beast Machines
Car Robots/Robot in Disguise
Beast Hunters/TF Go In nearly all of those it's heroic vehicles vs evil beasts, but Beast Machines stands out for swapping it round! |
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Post by Shockprowl on Dec 1, 2018 8:14:18 GMT
Yes the cars v planes, then vehicles v creatures, rivalry is obvious, Doctor.
I stand with on UTTERLY DESTROYING BEYOND ALL RECOLLECTION those who do not vote for Blot, but on this you're all one... in the night...
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 1, 2018 10:40:42 GMT
There's arms and legs and heads there but the backbone is cars vs planes, that's the theme that keeps going 1984 1985 1986 And who can forget the Decepticon planes: the Stunticons! The Autobot cars...the Aerialbots! -Ralph |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Dec 1, 2018 10:46:04 GMT
Yes, they exist as well - and fall into the large other bit of the body category outlined above, but you're failing to see the main point.
I suspect this is why you've never for the "first Autobot combiner should have been cars, first Decepticon combiner should have been planes" thing
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 1, 2018 10:56:23 GMT
Metroplex...the car! Trypticon...the plane!
-Ralph
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 1, 2018 10:57:36 GMT
Yes, they exist as well - and fall into the large other bit of the body category outlined above, but you're failing to see the main point. I suspect this is why you've never for the "first Autobot combiner should have been cars, first Decepticon combiner should have been planes" thing Because you pulled it out your bum!!! Cars v planes exists only in your mind!!! Only time it applies is Turbomasters v Predators as it is clearly stated on the catalogue. -Ralph |
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 1, 2018 10:57:58 GMT
Ratchet and Ironhide are not cars. They are vans!!! Vans!!!
-Ralph
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 1, 2018 10:59:25 GMT
Seaspray...the car! Warpath...the car! Blaster...the car! The Autobot tapes...cars!
It's so obvious now! How can I have been so blind???!!!
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Dec 1, 2018 10:59:49 GMT
To The Polls
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 1, 2018 11:00:57 GMT
Phil is talking out his bum again! One more I have clearly shot down his theory in the catalogue poll thread. His theory has more holes than my knickers!!!!!!!
-Ralph
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Post by blueshift on Dec 1, 2018 11:01:30 GMT
Metroplex...the car! Trypticon...the plane! -Ralph To be fair metroplex turns into a tank and Trypticon into a spaceship |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Dec 1, 2018 11:03:16 GMT
Phil is talking out his bum again! One more I have clearly shot down his theory in the catalogue poll thread. His theory has more holes than my knickers!!!!!!! -Ralph Martin agrees with me tmukhub.proboards.com/post/344954/threadAs does Shockprowl |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Dec 1, 2018 11:04:01 GMT
Yes, they exist as well - and fall into the large other bit of the body category outlined above, but you're failing to see the main point. I suspect this is why you've never for the "first Autobot combiner should have been cars, first Decepticon combiner should have been planes" thing Because you pulled it out your bum!!! Cars v planes exists only in your mind!!! Only time it applies is Turbomasters v Predators as it is clearly stated on the catalogue. -Ralph That's why 1992 is so good because it is going back to basics and returning to the traditional rivalry |
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Dec 1, 2018 11:08:14 GMT
Cars VS planes was the original story point wasn't it?
And I'm pretty sure the cartoon acknowledges this when introducing the Stunticons and Aerialbots.
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Post by blueshift on Dec 1, 2018 11:10:05 GMT
Because you pulled it out your bum!!! Cars v planes exists only in your mind!!! Only time it applies is Turbomasters v Predators as it is clearly stated on the catalogue. -Ralph That's why 1992 is so good because it is going back to basics and returning to the traditional rivalry Don't tell me "tHeY sWaPpEd rOtOrsToRm aNd sTaLkeR" |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Dec 1, 2018 11:12:56 GMT
No, the gimmicks demonstrate that's intentional to provide a contrast in the middle size class.
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Post by blueshift on Dec 1, 2018 11:15:35 GMT
Sports car patrol?
Race track patrol?
Military patrol?
Battle Squad?
Constructor Squad?
All planes, obviously
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Post by blueshift on Dec 1, 2018 11:16:41 GMT
As a child this was never an idea that even occurred to me. So I'm saying no it can't be, especially if it wasn't obvious to such a bright, clever child as myself
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Post by Shockprowl on Dec 1, 2018 11:18:55 GMT
As Phil says, Cars Vs Planes is the consistent 'back-bone' of the Autobot/Decepticon armies. '84 to '86 make that UNDISPUTEDLY obvious! Later the fun and appropriate twist of vehicles Vs creatures carried forward the theme.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Dec 1, 2018 11:19:58 GMT
Sports car patrol? Race track patrol? Military patrol? Battle Squad? Constructor Squad? All planes, obviously We are at no point saying that Autobots have to be exclusively cars and Decepticons exclusively planes. Though it should be pointed out the first wave of Micromasters, back when they were Micro Transformers, IS Autobot Cars vs Decepticon Planes |
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Post by blueshift on Dec 1, 2018 11:21:51 GMT
Though it should be pointed out the first wave of Micromasters, back when they were Micro Transformers, IS Autobot Cars vs Decepticon Planes The first wave of Decepticons was the Air Strike Patrol and the Sports Car patrol!! |
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Post by blueshift on Dec 1, 2018 11:22:29 GMT
Oh I see what's going on, the Sport's Car Patrol have infiltrated Phil's house and are pretending to be Autobots again.
ITS A TRICK, PHIL, BLACKJACK IS A DECEPTICON, HE'S WORKING FOR MEGATRON!!
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Post by Philip Ayres on Dec 1, 2018 11:24:49 GMT
Though it should be pointed out the first wave of Micromasters, back when they were Micro Transformers, IS Autobot Cars vs Decepticon Planes The first wave of Decepticons was the Air Strike Patrol and the Sports Car patrol!! Sports Car Patrol were second wave, when they became Micromasters  |
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Post by Shockprowl on Dec 1, 2018 11:27:47 GMT
BLUESHIFT! DOCTOR! LOOK AT THE PICTURES!!! THE 'BACKBONE' OF THE TRANSFORMERS LINE WAS CARS VS PLANES! GROUND DWELLING VEHICLES VS FLIGHT CAPABLE VEHICLES!!! LOOK AT THE PICTURES!!!!!
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Post by blueshift on Dec 1, 2018 11:30:43 GMT
I mean yes, if you remove all the pictures of the Autobots who are planes and the Decepticons who are cars then it does become true
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