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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Feb 25, 2024 5:48:29 GMT
I'd say 'Captain Marvel' is absolutely essential viewing before watching 'The Marvels', while 'Ms Marvel' is useful to see but not essential (as I hadn't seen it, but still enjoyed the film). I'm not sure anything else is particularly important. But familiarity with everything that happened and was revealed in 'Captain Marvel' is crucial.
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Post by Stomski on Feb 25, 2024 8:59:58 GMT
The films other issues of having a weak supporting cast (the main villain in particular having little scene presence), the usual MCU scenes for misplaced brevity instead of contributing to the plot or character development, the final threat was resolved as quickly as it started, wasn't enough around exploring Captain Marvel's guilt/regret for both not engaging with Ramboau and the fallout from Captain Marvel and I came away feeling like the whole plot was construed just to have an excuse for the closing scene (where the uncanny valley of CGI faces really hit in).
Have a better villain lead, get rid of the cats and singing and build better drama around the finale (and connect it more to Earth itself so as to create at least a little relatable existential dread with the audience).
That said, the leads saved this film. Their dynamic was enjoyable.
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Post by Pinwig on Feb 25, 2024 10:03:02 GMT
I'd say 'Captain Marvel' is absolutely essential viewing before watching 'The Marvels', while 'Ms Marvel' is useful to see but not essential (as I hadn't seen it, but still enjoyed the film). I'm not sure anything else is particularly important. But familiarity with everything that happened and was revealed in 'Captain Marvel' is crucial. Martin It could be a victim of circumstance. Captain Marvel came out over four years before The Marvels on the other side of a global pandemic and actor's strike. I suppose we should have rewatched it, I'll do both together now for my own enjoyment, but for Mrs P, her summary of The Marvels was 'i liked the cats'. As an uninvested punter looking for a decent action film, the rest was incomprehensible - which isn't true of most Marvel films that are also part of ongoing stories. I also couldn't decide if Larson was playing Carol's awkwardness/journey toward finding a family brilliantly or terribly. It seemed inconsistent at times. I think Stom's analysis hits the nail on the head.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Feb 25, 2024 13:37:39 GMT
I think Stom's analysis hits the nail on the head. Surely not when it comes to "get rid of the cats"?? Martin
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Post by Bogatan on Feb 25, 2024 14:03:17 GMT
Or the music. Both were the most creative/different parts of the film.
Grabbed the blu ray this morning as I only have a month of D+ left.
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Post by Toph on Feb 25, 2024 17:43:00 GMT
I agree on both of those. Even as someone who vehemently does not like musicals. I think both the cats and singing was important for Kamala's inclusion. Even if she wasn't the origin of either, they are more or less her dynamic.
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Post by Bogatan on Feb 26, 2024 13:42:35 GMT
I'd say 'Captain Marvel' is absolutely essential viewing before watching 'The Marvels', while 'Ms Marvel' is useful to see but not essential (as I hadn't seen it, but still enjoyed the film). I'm not sure anything else is particularly important. But familiarity with everything that happened and was revealed in 'Captain Marvel' is crucial. Martin It could be a victim of circumstance. Captain Marvel came out over four years before The Marvels on the other side of a global pandemic and actor's strike. I suppose we should have rewatched it, I'll do both together now for my own enjoyment, but for Mrs P, her summary of The Marvels was 'i liked the cats'. As an uninvested punter looking for a decent action film, the rest was incomprehensible - which isn't true of most Marvel films that are also part of ongoing stories. I also couldn't decide if Larson was playing Carol's awkwardness/journey toward finding a family brilliantly or terribly. It seemed inconsistent at times. I think Stom's analysis hits the nail on the head. My take is that they planned (and probably ended up with) a 2 hour 30 film that spent a lot of time covering the back story of all 3 characters and the bad guy in a more complete and structured way. Test audiences said that was boring but the 3 leads chemistry was great. So in the reedit Monicas backstory is cut to I walked through a glowy wall. And Kamalas to my nana gave me this bracelet. And similar cuts are made to most of the plot. As someone who has seen everything, that seems sufficent (we are well past the point were I feel any time should be spent explaining powers unless it relates to the story), but for people who havent seen everything I guess its easy to miss details on first viewing. The bad guy does seem like there should be more to her, but she also doesnt seem terribly interesting, so maybe her stuff was all boring and unable to do much about it they hacked it down to minimise the buzzkill. Ornot. Either way I apprieciated the short but fun version we got.
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Post by Bogatan on Feb 26, 2024 13:47:05 GMT
I do wonder if the reception of Love and Thunder was also a factor in how The Marvels turned out.
I like L&T, but the plot does meander around alot. I can definitely see The Marvels originally being structured like it.
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Post by Stomski on Feb 26, 2024 16:04:56 GMT
I'll say this for the singing and dancing, Kamala really came alive in that scene despite not being front and centre so maybe I will allow it after all.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Feb 26, 2024 18:07:20 GMT
There are a few deleted scenes on the Blu-ray.
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Post by primenova on Apr 10, 2024 18:15:12 GMT
Not on a main site just saw a comment about Marvel Onslaught film. But what if it has already happened?
If you take the MCU being the heroes reborn universe in 1996. So Onslaught happened causing all reality to split. Marvel heroes, Spiderman 2 splits, Fantastic Four 2 splits, X-men
But depends on how they do the Fantastic four film seeing they are set in 60's - but this would be in the pre Onslaught movie verse.
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