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Post by Fortmax2020 on Dec 30, 2019 17:04:54 GMT
I concur with Martin on the decade.
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 30, 2019 17:05:24 GMT
No, Fool, no!
-Ralph
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Dec 30, 2019 17:06:40 GMT
But not on Micromaster 'Ultra Magnus'.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Dec 30, 2019 17:14:30 GMT
So... what's all this about then? Is "No, NAME, no," a reference to something recent in popular culture that only Ralph and M know about? Does the second "No" cancel out the first? Because from the context in which they are used, it often makes more sense to me if "No, NAME, no," is read to mean "Yes, NAME, that's right..." Martin
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Dec 30, 2019 17:22:16 GMT
It's the end of the decade, Martin. As tomorrow approaches midnight we'll have had 2019 complete years since the year we now call 1 BC(E) ended. That's 201 decades and 9 years. We need to go another year before we've completed 202 decades AD/CE. Martin
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Post by Pinwig on Dec 30, 2019 17:27:34 GMT
No, Nathaniel. Oh no Nathaniel... No, Nathaniel, no, there must be more to life than this...
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Post by Philip Ayres on Dec 30, 2019 17:30:18 GMT
Oh yes there is. Week 1 is the week the first Thursday is in. But the 1st, 2nd & 3rd of the month could fall before Week1. By definition they are in the new year not the old one. So, in that case, they are listed here as being in Week 0. 2021, 2022 and 2023 will have week 0s. No, Phil, no. Week 1 is the week the first Monday is in. -Ralph I'm afraid not tmukhub.proboards.com/thread/9148/when-2017-week-1-startThis is fascinating. My head is spinning. I am comforted to find there is an ISO standard for working this out. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601#Week_datesThere are several mutually equivalent and compatible descriptions of week 01: - the week with the year's first Thursday in it (the formal ISO definition),
- the week with 4 January in it,
- the first week with the majority (four or more) of its days in the starting year, and
- the week starting with the Monday in the period 29 December – 4 January.
As a consequence, if 1 January is on a Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday, it is in week 01. If 1 January is on a Friday, Saturday or Sunday, it is in week 52 or 53 of the previous year (there is no week 00). 28 December is always in the last week of its year.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Dec 30, 2019 17:33:06 GMT
I'm with Burns. The 2010s starts in 2010, the 2020s in 2020....
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Dec 30, 2019 17:39:41 GMT
I'm with Burns. The 2010s starts in 2010, the 2020s in 2020.... So are you saying you enter your twenties when year 20 of your life begins? But you're only 19 years old throughout your twentieth year. You become 20 and enter your twenties at the end of year 20 of your life, i.e. at the start of year 21. Or are you saying the first decade AD/CE was only 9 years long? If each millennium is a thousand years and made up of 100 decades, then we've only had 19 years so far in the third millennium. We'll have had 2020 complete years when 2020 ends. Martin
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Post by blueshift on Dec 30, 2019 17:41:49 GMT
I'm with Burns. The 2010s starts in 2010, the 2020s in 2020.... So are you saying you enter your twenties when year 20 of your life begins? But you're only 19 years old throughout your twentieth year. You become 20 and enter your twenties at the end of year 20 of your life, i.e. at the start of year 21. Or are you saying the first decade AD/CE was only 9 years long? Martin Wait, are you saying a 20-year-old isn't in their 20s?
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Dec 30, 2019 17:44:02 GMT
Wait, are you saying a 20-year-old isn't in their 20s? No, go back and read it again. I'm saying a 19-year-old isn't in their 20s. They're in year 20 of their life, but don't become 20 until they complete year 20. When you're born you're in year 1 of your life, but you don't become 1 until the end of year 1. You become 2 years old at the end of year 2. You haven't read 5 chapters of a book until you reach the end of chapter 5. We complete the 202nd decade at the end of year 2020. Martin
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Post by Philip Ayres on Dec 30, 2019 17:52:24 GMT
I'm with Burns. The 2010s starts in 2010, the 2020s in 2020.... So are you saying you enter your twenties when year 20 of your life begins? But you're only 19 years old throughout your twentieth year. You become 20 and enter your twenties at the end of year 20 of your life, i.e. at the start of year 21. You're in your 20s from when you age turns 20. The first decade of the Millenium runs 2000-2009, the second 2010-2019 etc etc. Or is 1980 now part of the seventies?
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Post by Philip Ayres on Dec 30, 2019 17:59:24 GMT
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Dec 30, 2019 18:04:07 GMT
The first decade of the Millenium runs 2000-2009 No it doesn't. Year 2000, the 2000th year is the 1000th year of the second millennium. The only way it can be as you describe is if the first millennium (years 1-999) isn't a millennium at all, but only 999 years long. It's the 1980th year, and so the tenth year of the 198th consecutive 10-year period in our numbering system. Decade 1 is years 1-10. Decade 2 is years 11-20. Decade 198 is years 1971-1980. 'The eighties' is a term colloquially used to refer to all the years beginning with the digits 198, i.e. the last year of the 198th decade and the first nine years of the 199th decade. Because people are superficial. It's ten years long, so is a decade in the same sense that any ten-year period e.g. 1975-1984 is a decade. But the '80s is not a decade in the sense of dividing the era up into complete blocks of ten years. I wish I had an abacus to demonstrate. Look, if you number the digits on your hands 1 to 10, do you exclude digit 10 from the set of 10 and consider it the first digit in your second set of ten fingers because it starts with a 1-? Grrr. Martin
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Post by blueshift on Dec 30, 2019 18:05:05 GMT
The first decade was only 9 years!
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Post by blueshift on Dec 30, 2019 18:06:23 GMT
phil please move this discussion to its own thread with a legally binding poll! Thanks!
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Dec 30, 2019 18:09:50 GMT
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decade"There are two methods of counting decades in recognition. One counts decades starting with the first year 1 CE (For example, the years 1981-1990 is referred to as the 199th decade), while the other groups years based on having the same digits (For example, the years 1980-1989 is referred to as the 1980s, or commonly known as the eighties)." There's the method that accepts all decades are 10 years long, and celebrates milestones when each block of 10, 100, 1000 years is completed, and there's the superficial/popular/wrong (wrong from the standpoint of a mathematician or person who can count) method that celebrates milestones when the 10th, 100th, 1000th year begins. The majority are with you, because they go with the label rather than counting complete blocks of 10, 100, 1000 etc. I had hoped better of the Hub. Dunno why. Martin
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Dec 30, 2019 18:13:46 GMT
The first decade was only 9 years! Then it wasn't a decade! Decades have to be ten years long! And if the first decade wasn't a decade, the second decade can't have been the second decade, because for it to be the second decade it would have to come after the first decade, and it didn't because the first decade wasn't a decade! ARRRGGGHHH! (Is Transformers UK #100 the last of the first 100 issues, or first of the second 100 issues? Is the first 100 issues actually only 99 issues? Do you celebrate having 100 issues of Transformers if they only show you what the front cover of issue #100 looks like, or do you wait until the entire issue is published, including the final page, before shouting hurrah for 100 issues? Hmmm?) Martin
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Dec 30, 2019 19:37:08 GMT
The second no reinforces there first while adding an air of exasperated astonishment to it.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Dec 30, 2019 19:48:42 GMT
The second no reinforces there first while adding an air of exasperated astonishment to it. I prefer to read it to the tune of "Go, Johnny, go" or, for variety, "Run, rabbit, run". Martin
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Post by Pinwig on Dec 30, 2019 19:52:44 GMT
Fear not, Martin. Some of us here understand what you're saying. See also how 'the 1900s' and 'the twentieth century' are the same thing. No one disputes that.
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Dec 30, 2019 20:01:52 GMT
Not everything Martin says is 100% correct. Especially now that Phil has gotten to him.
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Post by Pinwig on Dec 30, 2019 20:06:34 GMT
That's as maybe, but in this case he's right for the reasons he's carefully explained.
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Post by Pinwig on Dec 30, 2019 20:07:21 GMT
Besides, I think he's about to explode.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Dec 30, 2019 20:28:17 GMT
Ooh! Ooh! I know! I'm going to move my birthday from June to May, because I've just decided that the first year of my life was only 11 months long! That makes about as much sense as proclaiming a new decade tomorrow, when we've only completed year '19.
2019 years completed and the 2020th year just begun is not 202 %*@?!£ decades completed.
Martin
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Post by Philip Ayres on Dec 30, 2019 20:40:47 GMT
Weds is the start of the 2020s just like 1900 was the start of the 1900s and not the start of the 20th century
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Post by Philip Ayres on Dec 30, 2019 20:42:22 GMT
Fear not, Martin. Some of us here understand what you're saying. See also how 'the 1900s' and 'the twentieth century' are the same thing. No one disputes that. Ahem. 1900 is the last year of the 19th century but the first year of the 1900s
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Dec 30, 2019 20:53:33 GMT
Weds is the start of the 2020s just like 1900 was the start of the 1900s and not the start of the 20th century That's fair. Wednesday _is_ the start of the 2020s... which is a decade in the sense that it's a period of time ten years long, just as the arbitrary ten-year period starting last Thursday is also a decade, and Transformers whose names begin with the letter 'S' are a group of Transformers. But it's not a decade in the sense of completing a whole number of ten-year periods since the switch from BC(E) to AD/CE. Which is the only truly decimal way to count off new decades. Martin
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Dec 30, 2019 20:56:13 GMT
1900 is the last year of the 19th century Correct, and 2000 the last year of the second millennium, NOT the first year of the third millennium. Martin
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Post by Philip Ayres on Dec 30, 2019 21:00:10 GMT
Weds is the start of the 2020s just like 1900 was the start of the 1900s and not the start of the 20th century That's fair. Wednesday _is_ the start of the 2020s... which is a decade in the sense that it's a period of time ten years long, just as the arbitrary ten-year period starting last Thursday is also a decade, and Transformers whose names begin with the letter 'S' are a group of Transformers. But it's not a decade in the sense of completing a whole number of ten-year periods since the switch from BC(E) to AD/CE. Which is the only truly decimal way to count off new decades. Martin It is the commonly accepted definition and I'm finding very few sources that take the opposing view.
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