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Post by Llama God on Aug 26, 2023 7:24:24 GMT
Seeing it visualised like that is very handy - it's going to be a cheap year for me, which is just what's needed. Although I say that and then 1000 other exclusives will appear from nowhere...
But it'll be Windblade, bread van Wheeljack, Silverbolt, Exillion (Hot Shot), Slipstream and Filch. And I think that's it. Maybe Vector Prime if it's a decent mold, and those Optimii, and the Rock Lords, if they are indeed Rock Lords. A cheap year.
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Post by Toph on Aug 26, 2023 10:13:29 GMT
I'm less sure of the Leader Optimus TBH. That could be Earthrise back again or Legacy Laser Rod or something new. No indication where it's from. The thing that makes me wary if the rumours that the Studio Series Commander next year will be an 86 Optimus Prime. But it is the 40th so there could be a fair few Primes next year. I won't be surprised if RID or Energon Ops are in the mix somewhere at some size With a bunch of Cybertron in the pike, and Hasbro hinting strongly that Cybertron Optimus is on the agenda for a do-over, there are strong odds that's it. Unlike Armada, not only can he be done as a leader (his super mode was not that complex), they could probably reuse the cannons and wings from the Siege version to cut costs. Powermaster Optimus is a pretty good candidate, too. Honestly, unless it's a repaint of Laser in movie colors or Actionmaster colors, I kinda feel like these are the only reasonable candidates.
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Post by Benn on Aug 26, 2023 10:43:58 GMT
They'd get me with a good Powermaster, I think. If I were Hasbro, I'd be holding that back for the Haslab runway though.
I've got the Super God Ginrai that Legends did, and I like it a lot, but a more stable chunky version... Yeah, that'd get my money.
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Aug 26, 2023 12:12:44 GMT
I'd be up for a Haslab Ginrai.. but suspect there may be many Victory characters there first. Unless it is just for single big figures. Ginrai, Overlord... could see a Masterforce themed couple of sets there..
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Post by Philip Ayres on Aug 26, 2023 13:27:56 GMT
Consolidating the Studio S Series Product numbers with when: Wave 1: February 2024 F8748 Studio Series Core TF5 Mowhawk F8749 Studio Series Core MV6 Rumble F7233 Studio Series SS-?? Deluxe TF7 Wheeljack F8755 Studio Series SS-?? Deluxe TF7 Scorponok F8766 Studio Series 86 SS86-?? Voyager 86 ScrapHeap F8765 Studio Series Gamer Edition SS+?? Voyager WFC Starscream F8772 Studio Series SS-?? Leader MV6 Megatron Wave 2: April 2024F8750 Studio Series Core MV6 Starscream F8758 Studio Series Gamer Edition SS+?? Deluxe WFC Sideswipe F8757 Studio Series SS-?? Deluxe MV6 Sunstreaker F0786 Studio Series 86 Deluxe 86 Gnaw PR F8767 Studio Series SS-?? Voyager MV6 Shockwave F8773 Studio Series 86 SS86-?? Leader 86 Swoop Level A Ast: June 2024G0220 Studio Series 86 SS-86 ?? A Level AST 86 Bumblebee G0221 Studio Series SS-?? A Level AST MV8 Op Wave 3: August 2024F8752 Studio Series 86 Core 86 Steeljaw F8763 Studio Series Gamer Edition SS+?? Deluxe WFC Decepticon Infantry F8761 Studio Series SS+?? Deluxe Rise Lifeline F8762 Studio Series SS-?? Deluxe TF5 Drift F8769 Studio Series SS-?? Voyager MV6 Skywarp Wave 4: December 2024F8753 Studio Series Core MV6 Frenzy F9849 Studio Series SS-?? Deluxe HM Megatron F8764 Studio Series SS-?? Deluxe Next Gen Bumblebee F8770 Studio Series Gamer Edition SS+?? Voyager WFC Ratchet F8774 Studio Series 86 SS-86 ?? Leader 86 Springer OTHERF8514 Studio Series (86?) Commander ????
F9652 Buzzworthy Bumblebee Tra BB SS LDR Reissue 3 F9654 Buzzworthy Bumblebee Tra BB SS Voyager 1 F9878 Buzzworthy Bumblebee Tra BB SS 2 pck
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Post by Philip Ayres on Aug 26, 2023 17:09:06 GMT
And for Legacy: Wave 1: January 2024CoreF8516 Legacy Uni Core Bouldercrash (Core Rock 1) EAN: 5010996194992 F8517 Legacy Uni Core Energon Megatron EAN: 5010996195098 F8518 Legacy Uni Core BW Tazmanian Kid EAN: 5010996195104 DeluxeF8524 Legacy Uni Deluxe Animated Bumblebee EAN: 5010996195951 F8525 Legacy Uni Deluxe Rescue Bot Chase EAN: 5010996195845 F8526 Legacy Uni Deluxe Magneous EAN: 5010996195968 F8528 Legacy Uni Deluxe Cyberverse Windblade EAN: 5010996195944 VoyagerF???? Voyager Prime Thundertron F???? Voyager Animated Optimus Prime LeaderF???? Leader BW Tigerhawk F???? Leader Optimus Prime Wave 2: April 2024CoreF8519 Legacy Uni Core BW Dinobot EAN: 5010996216212 F8520 Legacy Uni Core BM Cheetor EAN: 5010996216205 Deluxe F8529 Legacy Uni Deluxe Rock 2 EAN: 5010996196002 F8530 Legacy Uni Deluxe G1 Gears EAN: 5010996195999 F8531 Legacy Uni Deluxe G1 Sureshot EAN: 5010996195975 F8532 Legacy Uni Deluxe Cyberverse Chromia EAN: 5010996195982 Voyager F???? Voyager BW Silverbolt F???? Voyager Cybertron Starscream Leader F???? Leader G1 Sandstorm Wave 3: July 2024 Core F8522 Legacy Uni Core Core Rock 2 Deluxe F8538 Legacy Uni Deluxe RID Sideburn F8535 Legacy Uni Deluxe Cybertron Hotshot F8533 Legacy Uni Deluxe Rock 3 F???? Legacy Uni Deluxe RID 2015 Strongarm PR VoyagerF8546 Legacy Uni Voyager Cybertron Vector Prime F???? Legacy Uni Voyager Cybertron Starscream Leader F8552 Legacy Uni Leader Armada Galvatron Wave 4: October 2024 Core F8523 Legacy Uni Core Energon Galvatron Deluxe F9848 Legacy Uni Deluxe G1 Optimus Prime F8534 Legacy Uni Deluxe Slipstream F8536 Legacy Uni Deluxe G1 Quake F8525 Legacy Uni Deluxe Rescue Bot Chase (Repack) Voyager F8547 Legacy Uni Voyager Animated Motormaster F9183 Legacy Uni Voyager G1 Metalhawk PR Leader F???? Legacy Uni Leader G1 Soundwave
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Post by Pinwig on Aug 26, 2023 21:04:21 GMT
It's an interesting looking list. I can't decide if I like the scattergun approach or something more tightly themed. I suppose at this point Hasbro don't really have a lot of choice. I think this shows they don't have faith in anything other than G1 to carry a line by itself. Even Beast Wars got peppered with other stuff. Where's Armada gone?
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Post by Toph on Aug 27, 2023 0:48:01 GMT
Personal preference is: 40% themed (beast wars, armada) 40% G1 (bonus points if it matches the main focus) 20% everything else.
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Post by Llama God on Aug 27, 2023 9:23:09 GMT
One question, though: Are we sure that the Star Seekers Lockdown is that Lockdown, and not the movie one..? Not been a Movie toy in Legacy yet and Axelgrease is begging for a Lockdown repaint. I'm reasonably sure. I'm less sure of the Leader Optimus TBH. That could be Earthrise back again or Legacy Laser Rod or something new. No indication where it's from. The thing that makes me wary if the rumours that the Studio Series Commander next year will be an 86 Optimus Prime. But it is the 40th so there could be a fair few Primes next year. I won't be surprised if RID or Energon Ops are in the mix somewhere at some size Well I would say I'd be surprised if they reissued Earthrise Optimus with his tiny trailer, and put out a Movie commander with a larger trailer, whilst at the same time Takara are putting out the Missing Link Prime... but given how many Primals got released this year I think it's probably a fair bet that that's exactly what will happen.
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Post by The Doctor on Aug 27, 2023 20:46:19 GMT
Hasbro can't win. They do mostly 84-86 focussed lines over and over. Fans complain. They do lines mostly G1 but with more post 86 characters. Fans complain. They mix things up a bit. Fans complain. They do new characters. Fans complain.
We just don't know what we want, which I why I am just content to see what comes out and grab what catches my eye/fits my budget.
-Ralph
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Post by Pinwig on Aug 27, 2023 22:03:07 GMT
I think in these cash strapped times the pick and mix approach is much more wallet friendly. I'm glad I don't feel compelled to buy everything anymore.
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Post by The Doctor on Aug 27, 2023 22:49:38 GMT
I do like pick and mix.
-Ralph
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Post by Bogatan on Aug 27, 2023 23:02:18 GMT
I think in these cash strapped times the pick and mix approach is much more wallet friendly. I'm glad I don't feel compelled to buy everything anymore. I realised around TFN that I had basically have stopped buying new toys. I got SS86 Ironhide and Snarl and G2 Deadend. Deadend got opened as I did want to finally complete Menasor, but Ironhide only got opened tonight. 5 minutes later I was bored with it. Snarl will likely last longer, but still. On the other hand the random shit Im getting from Japan Im finding far more entertaining.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 1, 2023 10:26:30 GMT
The Leader Soundwave's Product Number is now with a set of Package Refreshes F9183 Metalhawk PR F9187 Strongarm PR F9188 Soundwave Is he the Walmart Voyager with tapes? What if the Soundwave is the Walmart Voyager with toy coloured Rumble & Frenzy using the SS86 Core in addition to (or, more likely, instead of) Ravage & Laserbeak? Rumble would be the same as Frenzy Red, yes, but Frenzy would be Blue & Black as opposed to pale blue & purple
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Post by Toph on Sept 1, 2023 16:23:32 GMT
Frenzy isn't black, though? He's two different shades of blue, just less purpley than sunbow.
And Soundwave is gonna be the Siege mold unchanged from it's last release, and he'll be the only way to get Buzzsaw.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 1, 2023 19:42:42 GMT
Dark Blue possibly. Certainly not the purple of the cartoon colours. I was working from photos online and wasn't able to get the toy to check.
But the point still stands: You could easily get a toy colours repaint from the SS86. Him and Toy Rumble would be enough to not make the Soundwave just a package refresh of the Netflix version
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Post by Llama God on Sept 2, 2023 7:51:37 GMT
This does make some sense. Whilst I'd like for it to actually be Machine Wars Soundwave, that's just not going to happen. So another outing for the currently single-use Netflix mold makes sense. However... And Soundwave is gonna be the Siege mold unchanged from it's last release, and he'll be the only way to get Buzzsaw. I can't help but fear that this will be what they'll actually do. Because Hasbro.
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 2, 2023 9:00:31 GMT
Fans can imagine owning Buzzsaw.
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 2, 2023 10:57:45 GMT
Fans have the Titans Return Buzzsaw and can wait.
It's interesting Rumble & Frenzy have had two goes this turn round: as Siege Micromasters and SS86 Cores but both fitting the same Soundwave.
Laserbeak & Ravage have Cybertron mode versions and updated Earth mode versions but neither is quite there: SS86 updates and a Buzzsaw from that?
Siege Ratbat is very good
Legacy Rewind and Eject could do with a redo in solid plastic, and probably one with guns and goodies - I wonder if this is the Autobot box on Selects for next year.
Steeljaw is on the SS86 Core runway
The leaves Ramhorn of the pre 87 tapes and he missed out being a tape in Titans Return too (but his Titanmaster version is still nice)
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Post by Benn on Sept 2, 2023 11:21:17 GMT
Pedantic man popping up to say Buzzsaw was technically a Combiner Wars toy. It later got re-released in the Bumblebee Movie toyline.
As you were.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 2, 2023 12:18:45 GMT
While I acknowledge and accept Pedantic of Derby's correction I will maintain that Titans Return is probably the best description for that family of tape remakes since that was the line the majority came out in and all were designed to interact with
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Post by Pinwig on Sept 2, 2023 12:29:26 GMT
SS86 Ravage done as well as Frumble would end the eternal quest to get a decent one. That's a key character that really deserves to be finally done right. A new condor wouldn't go amiss, but really a Laserbeak repaint would do Buzzsaw. The TR one is nice but way too big to fit with all the others. He looks fab with TR Soundwave & CW Leader Megatron in that bigger scale.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 2, 2023 12:44:47 GMT
Problem is the WFC Laserbeak is ganged with the Ravage. And when you look closely it could be better
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 2, 2023 12:49:03 GMT
Some might say Ravage has been done right.... in 1984! That year's are still the best Laserbeak & Buzzsaw
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Post by Pinwig on Sept 2, 2023 12:55:56 GMT
Well yes, of course. The originals for those are unbeaten on any level.
I would say that given we've had Frenzy/Rumble in SS86 that the birds would be a good shout too, but then we know everything coming from here to 2025 and their absence leaves quite a gap.
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Post by Benn on Sept 2, 2023 13:03:40 GMT
I think Masterpiece Laserbeak is the best of the goes at making birds from tapes, personally. And I even like MP Ravage for all my sins.
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Post by Llama God on Sept 3, 2023 8:56:24 GMT
I think Masterpiece Laserbeak is the best of the goes at making birds from tapes, personally. And I even like MP Ravage for all my sins. Yeah, I think they're pretty good, also - especially since they do a really good job of integrating all the weapon parts. The only thing they're really missing is good head articulation - but given the scale that's being worked out I can just about forgive that.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 3, 2023 20:57:57 GMT
Dug my Netflix Soundwave and WFC tapes out last night for a play
Still a pretty decent toy, easily the best Geneations Soundwave in a rather slim field, but if they're having another round with it it'd be nice to get new forearms and remove the kibble remaining from the Siege version. But apart from that....
Ravage definitely needs another go, and Laserbeak probably does too, which is potentially good news for Buzzsaw. The step up from the WFC con tape robots to the SS86 versions is huge.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 24, 2023 7:44:51 GMT
And for Legacy: Wave 1: January 2024CoreF8516 Legacy Uni Core Bouldercrash (Core Rock 1) EAN: 5010996194992 F8517 Legacy Uni Core Energon Megatron EAN: 5010996195098 F8518 Legacy Uni Core BW Tazmanian Kid EAN: 5010996195104 DeluxeF8524 Legacy Uni Deluxe Animated Bumblebee EAN: 5010996195951 F8525 Legacy Uni Deluxe Rescue Bot Chase EAN: 5010996195845 F8526 Legacy Uni Deluxe Magneous EAN: 5010996195968 F8528 Legacy Uni Deluxe Cyberverse Windblade EAN: 5010996195944 VoyagerF???? Voyager Prime Thundertron F???? Voyager Animated Optimus Prime LeaderF???? Leader BW Tigerhawk F???? Leader Optimus Prime Wave 2: April 2024CoreF8519 Legacy Uni Core BW Dinobot EAN: 5010996216212 F8520 Legacy Uni Core BM Cheetor EAN: 5010996216205 Deluxe F8529 Legacy Uni Deluxe Rock 2 EAN: 5010996196002 F8530 Legacy Uni Deluxe G1 Gears EAN: 5010996195999 F8531 Legacy Uni Deluxe G1 Sureshot EAN: 5010996195975 F8532 Legacy Uni Deluxe Cyberverse Chromia EAN: 5010996195982 Voyager F???? Voyager BW Silverbolt F???? Voyager Cybertron Starscream Leader F???? Leader G1 Sandstorm Wave 3: July 2024 Core F8522 Legacy Uni Core Core Rock 2 Deluxe F8538 Legacy Uni Deluxe RID Sideburn F8535 Legacy Uni Deluxe Cybertron Hotshot F8533 Legacy Uni Deluxe Rock 3 F???? Legacy Uni Deluxe RID 2015 Strongarm PR VoyagerF8546 Legacy Uni Voyager Cybertron Vector Prime F???? Legacy Uni Voyager Cybertron Starscream Leader F8552 Legacy Uni Leader Armada Galvatron Wave 4: October 2024 Core F8523 Legacy Uni Core Energon Galvatron Deluxe F9848 Legacy Uni Deluxe G1 Optimus Prime F8534 Legacy Uni Deluxe Slipstream F8536 Legacy Uni Deluxe G1 Quake F8525 Legacy Uni Deluxe Rescue Bot Chase (Repack) Voyager F8547 Legacy Uni Voyager Animated Motormaster F9183 Legacy Uni Voyager G1 Metalhawk PR Leader F???? Legacy Uni Leader G1 Soundwave Let's rearrange that list by source: SERIES | CODE | TOY | G1 | F9848 | Deluxe G1 Optimus Prime | G1 | F????` | Leader G1 Soundwave | G1 | F8530 | Deluxe G1 Gears | G1 | F8536 | Deluxe G1 Quake | G1 TF2010 | F????` | Leader G1 Sandstorm | G1 Headmasters | F8531 | Deluxe G1 Sureshot | G1 Masterforce | F9183 | Voyager G1 Metalhawk PR | G2 | F????` | Leader Optimus Prime | BW s1 | F8519 | Core BW Dinobot | BW s2 | F????` | Voyager BW Silverbolt | BW s3 | F8550 | Leader BW Tigerhawk | BWII | F8518 | Core BW Tazmanian Kid | BW Neo | F????` | Commander Magmatron | BM | F8520 | Core BM Cheetor | RID | F8538 | Deluxe RID Sideburn | Armada | F8552 | Leader Armada Galvatron | Armada | F????` | Titan Tidal Wave | Energon | F8517 | Core Energon Megatron | Energon | F8523 | Core Energon Galvatron | Cybertron | F????` | Voyager Cybertron Starscream | Cybertron | F8535 | Deluxe Cybertron Hotshot | Cybertron | F8546 | Voyager Cybertron Vector Prime | Cybertron | F????` | Voyager Cybertron Starscream | Animated | F8524 | Deluxe Animated Bumblebee | Animated | F8542 | Voyager Animated Optimus Prime | Animated | F8547 | Voyager Animated Motormaster | Rescuebots | F8525 | Deluxe Rescue Bot Chase | Prime | F8541 | Voyager Prime Thundertron | RID 2015 | F????` | Deluxe RID 2015 Strongarm PR | Cyberverse | F8528 | Deluxe Cyberverse Windblade | Cyberverse | F8532 | Deluxe Cyberverse Chromia | Cyberverse | F8534 | Deluxe Slipstream | Legacy United | F8516 | Core Bouldercrash (Core Rock 1) | Legacy United | F8526 | Deluxe Magneous | Legacy United | F8529 | Deluxe Rock 2 | Legacy United | F8522 | Core Core Rock 2 | Legacy United | F8533 | Deluxe Rock 3 |
That's not a bad job of representing all the animated series, I suppose you can argue that Deathsaurus, due late 2023, is the Victory toy
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Post by Toph on Sept 24, 2023 7:59:41 GMT
No Beast Machines, though. =(
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