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Post by Toph on Feb 9, 2015 15:06:49 GMT
Yeah, "Generations: Combiner Wars" is an umbrella subtitle. Everything in generations will be released under this title.
No different than Beast Machines: Battle for the Spark, Armada: Unicron Battles, and Prime: Beast Hunters, and whatever the rebranding was for Energon and Cybertron.
People are getting too caught up on "combining." And IDW.
Powerglide, Bombshell, Thundercracker, Thundercracker, Windcharger, and Huffer don't combine. And I don't expect every voyager will, either.
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Post by primenova on Feb 10, 2015 9:19:55 GMT
I don't like the Megatron legs because it seems they are trying to make him look like gun handle. But could they redo him making him be a combiner?
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Post by Philip Ayres on Feb 10, 2015 9:43:57 GMT
No, too big.
They'd need to make him a Voyager to be a combiner core.
I'd love to see a Megatron Voyager core. Use the G2 Combat Hero shape and transformation as a base. Needs to have that sloped chest as a stand alone robot, use the flat chest for the combined form. You can see Megatron working as a different combiner where the core dominates and controls the other personalities. Start in G2 Green and repaint as Archforce, Bludgeon and G1 Megs.
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Post by Shockprowl on Feb 11, 2015 23:05:41 GMT
There's some Leader Megatron with Masterpiece figures comparison photos about. Can't link it 'cos I'm on my mobile. Interesting photos, but no. No no. Not a Masterpiece.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Feb 12, 2015 8:17:57 GMT
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Post by Pinwig on Feb 12, 2015 10:41:42 GMT
That Megs doesn't look too bad next to MP Soundwave, but Shockers is right. He's no Masterpiece. I really hope the thinking behind him being a leader size wasn't that he can serve both lines. Surely not.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Feb 20, 2015 8:30:16 GMT
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Post by The Doctor on Feb 20, 2015 8:43:56 GMT
Colours look nice but as it lacks all the original action features of AM Megs I will pass (if an update can't do what the original toy could do it never passes The Burns Test). I may, however, need to reacquire the original Armada Megs...
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Feb 20, 2015 9:02:21 GMT
Just missed a complete original recently I had my eye on on eBay. I can live without the Minicon, I alredy have it, but need the missiles.
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Post by Pinwig on Feb 20, 2015 11:07:14 GMT
Could be the angled lighting, but that head looks awesome. I am still in on this. I love Armada Megatron, one of the better toys in that range. That review implies the toy 'isn't bad' given it's a straight repaint with a new head, but I still feel both versions of this figure would have been in mind during the design stage so it's a compromise between the two as opposed to Armada Megs being a poor relation to the 'proper' Megatron. Which isn't proper at all given he turns into a tank. I like the way the tank tracks go up behind his head.
I love the cheeky attempt at putting the gun back on the hip too. Note to Phil though - posing like that and turning the figure sideways is NOT an acceptable entry into the X-Rated thread.
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Post by legios on Feb 20, 2015 11:19:44 GMT
I think it isn't a bad attempt, but I am leaning towards Ralph's position on this. Armada Megatron is such a good example of a Transformer as a superbly featured kids toy that this one doesn't really attain the same mark. (He doesn't even have the combat knife, let alone the rest of the good stuff). He isn't bad by any means, but eclipsed by his original in a way that the recent Armada Starscream managed to escape.
Karl
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Post by Shockprowl on Feb 20, 2015 14:08:28 GMT
Ahh, Armada Megatron's combat knife! He surprised Aramada Prime many times with a quick strike between the manifolds with it.
The fact the CW figure doesn't have any of those old features is a poor do.
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Post by Toph on Feb 20, 2015 21:51:27 GMT
Found both Megatrons today, and grabbed G1.
He is insanely huge. CW Optimus is barely chest high, and combined Optimus is only slightly taller.
Paint and deco on both are fantastic.
Arm cannon is designed to look like his fusion canon, and all official images have it backwards.
G1 looks significantly better in person, and doesn't photograph well. Armada is the opposite, as imo he looks better in photos.
His joints are really awkward and doesn't take to posing well. However, his knees CAN pop a bit and take that swept back look from the marvel profiles. I believe this is intentional. But they become weak, and may not hold his weight well, for long.
His knee and hip joints want to make him lean forward, or backward.
But dude, his size... I think he may be taller than Jetfire.
However, anyone who has the robotmaster beast leaders (primal, megatron, lioconvoy), he's perfect with them.
Unfortunately, those are about the only things he scales with.
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Post by Shockprowl on Feb 20, 2015 23:14:56 GMT
Good to hear a fellow Hubber's report on him.
Why's he so big? Why?
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Post by Toph on Feb 21, 2015 1:11:30 GMT
Good to hear a fellow Hubber's report on him. Why's he so big? Why? Now seems to be an extremely silly time for Hasbro to introduce leader class to Generations. Combiners only really work when "normal" dudes like Megatron, and friggin' THUNDERCRACKER don't make them look tiny. |
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Post by Shockprowl on Feb 21, 2015 7:55:12 GMT
Good to hear a fellow Hubber's report on him. Why's he so big? Why? Now seems to be an extremely silly time for Hasbro to introduce leader class to Generations. Combiners only really work when "normal" dudes like Megatron, and friggin' THUNDERCRACKER don't make them look tiny. Yes I agree completely. Also, the more I think about it, the more I realise how much fun a voyager core Megatron would have been. |
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Post by The Doctor on Feb 21, 2015 9:54:03 GMT
Offroad looks a bit plain in vehicle mode but I really like the colours that emerge in robot mode. Almost G2-esque.
RE: Leaders in Generations. Great idea. Super big robots for kids. Hooray. If folk don't like them then don't buy them. The 'G1' Megatron looks really nice in pictures. I am intrigued to see how it looks in the plastic.
-Ralph
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Post by Shockprowl on Feb 21, 2015 11:39:21 GMT
I fear I must disagree my good Doctor, in part anyway (they're great for kids). I feel Megatron not being like Prime is a missed oportunity to have a complete and full Transformers Combiner War, with leaders swapping limbs, limbs swapping leaders, and everyone have a gay-o-time of it. You could have had your (Special) Teams, your stand-alone leaders, your extra limbs, and your Legends add-on types. If they hadn't done the leader Megs, they could have pumped that money into a tanky combiner core with several repaints (G1, Armada, Bludgeon etc).
Oh! Oh! If they'd done a tanky core Armada Megatron, they could've easily done some limb repaints as Armada Decepticons! Helicopter Cyclonus (call him something else), Demolishor, Snowcat.... gosh I'm I'm good.
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Post by Pinwig on Feb 21, 2015 13:05:30 GMT
I'm torn on that issue. I like the idea of Leaders, Jetfire is very nice indeed. Nothing wrong with having big guys on the battlefield. But maybe it should be reserved for that size of character so they all 'kind of' work together. Jetfire works, Magnus does. They should be that big. Megatron should really be the same size as Prime.
What we've got on the Decepticon side of these leaders is a new odd scale. Megatron, Thundercracker and Starscream. So those three will probably look very nice together, but they're Masterpiece size. But in that early G1 period where Hasbro are taking most of their characters from for Generations there aren't any Decepticons that fit that size, apart from Galvatron? (separate question there - what is an acceptable size for Galvatron? to square up to Prime or Magnus? I could go Leader for Galvatron but he seemed to mass shift in the comics. If he can ride Magnus's cab in robot mode like that then he shouldn't really be shoulder to shoulder with Magnus when he's in robot mode - but I'm not opening that can of worms)
When it comes to it though, The Doctor is right. They're toys. Hasbro said in their presentation at Toyfair that they pitch toys at three markets - Rescuebots is 3-5, RiD is 5-10 with the Warriors aimed at the top end of that, and Generations is 10+ including the 'collectors'. So if Hasbro see Combiner Wars as a 10 and up product, it's going to have to cater for what a 10 year old wants as well as us old buggers. Big exciting toys with no real dedication to scale would come under that.
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Post by Bogatan on Feb 21, 2015 13:36:12 GMT
I fear I must disagree my good Doctor, in part anyway (they're great for kids). I feel Megatron not being like Prime is a missed oportunity to have a complete and full Transformers Combiner War, with leaders swapping limbs, limbs swapping leaders, and everyone have a gay-o-time of it. You could have had your (Special) Teams, your stand-alone leaders, your extra limbs, and your Legends add-on types. If they hadn't done the leader Megs, they could have pumped that money into a tanky combiner core with several repaints (G1, Armada, Bludgeon etc). Oh! Oh! If they'd done a tanky core Armada Megatron, they could've easily done some limb repaints as Armada Decepticons! Helicopter Cyclonus (call him something else), Demolishor, Snowcat.... gosh I'm I'm good. There is a logic to having the leaders being of similar size, number of features etc, but at the same time with such well established personalities at this point there is something to be said for Megatron not being a combiner. Put bluntly Megatron does not play well with others even when hes an Autobot. Armada Megatron combining with Tidalwave is one thing, Megatron is still Megatron, he's using Tidalwave as a weapon. Megatron combining CW style is a fusing of personalities. He's not letting any of his underlings get a peak inside his mind. Not when he can order loyal followers (or Cyclonus apparently) to comine on his behalf. I know thats way over in the fiction, but it's the established personalities that have helped sell the toys for 3 decades. I'm torn on that issue. I like the idea of Leaders, Jetfire is very nice indeed. Nothing wrong with having big guys on the battlefield. But maybe it should be reserved for that size of character so they all 'kind of' work together. Jetfire works, Magnus does. They should be that big. Megatron should really be the same size as Prime. What we've got on the Decepticon side of these leaders is a new odd scale. Megatron, Thundercracker and Starscream. So those three will probably look very nice together, but they're Masterpiece size. But in that early G1 period where Hasbro are taking most of their characters from for Generations there aren't any Decepticons that fit that size, apart from Galvatron? (separate question there - what is an acceptable size for Galvatron? to square up to Prime or Magnus? I could go Leader for Galvatron but he seemed to mass shift in the comics. If he can ride Magnus's cab in robot mode like that then he shouldn't really be shoulder to shoulder with Magnus when he's in robot mode - but I'm not opening that can of worms) When it comes to it though, The Doctor is right. They're toys. Hasbro said in their presentation at Toyfair that they pitch toys at three markets - Rescuebots is 3-5, RiD is 5-10 with the Warriors aimed at the top end of that, and Generations is 10+ including the 'collectors'. So if Hasbro see Combiner Wars as a 10 and up product, it's going to have to cater for what a 10 year old wants as well as us old buggers. Big exciting toys with no real dedication to scale would come under that. Personally I've never felt the problem comes from calling it leader class, because now people expect the leader characters in that class. Jetfire makes sense, Ultra Magnus makes sense. They are big characters. Optimus Prime traditionally isn't but at least for the most part Primes have come as smaller robots that combine with the trailer which works quite well. But that means the Decepticon leader has to match the larger Prime form and they usually dont come in 2 part forms so you just end up with a ridiculously large toy that doesn't really work. GAlvatron, Energon and Cybertron Megatron bing the ones that really bug me. Leader class should be reserved for big characters and it should be up to Hasbro and its partners to make people want to spend big money on them rather than the safe bet of another Prime and Bumblebee oversized toy. They have done that recently, Jefire is great and Magnus looks better, but Megatron doesnt work for me, he shouldn't be the biggest as well as strongest, it some how diminishes the character. Oddly leader class Galvatron I think would have worked better as he comes across as more of a blow hard. |
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Post by legios on Feb 21, 2015 13:59:06 GMT
I am quite liking the look of all those Stunticons - Off-Road is really good, the difference in colour-palette between the two modes really does feel in he is a robot in disguise. He looks very different from one mode to another.
I'm also not averse to the return of the old "super" size class, or whatever it was called, to Generations. I think that Leader is a daft name for it, because just because it is a large toy doesn't mean that it is in charge. But I like the idea of their being very large robots in the line - they are the sort of thing that you want for your Christmas or Birthday when you are a kid. Like Jetfire was back in "The Transformers" - much larger than most of the other toys, far more so than in the comic, but that didn't stop us thinking he was awesome when we were kids.
Karl
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Post by Pinwig on Feb 21, 2015 14:00:04 GMT
There is a logic to having the leaders being of similar size, number of features etc, but at the same time with such well established personalities at this point there is something to be said for Megatron not being a combiner. Put bluntly Megatron does not play well with others even when hes an Autobot. Armada Megatron combining with Tidalwave is one thing, Megatron is still Megatron, he's using Tidalwave as a weapon. Megatron combining CW style is a fusing of personalities. He's not letting any of his underlings get a peak inside his mind. Not when he can order loyal followers (or Cyclonus apparently) to comine on his behalf. I like this point a lot. That's good thinking about Megatron. The fact he bulks up by wearing other 'Cons as armour and weaponry rather than actually integrating with them. That's different to Magnus because Magnus isn't putting other Autobots at risk when he combines with his trailer. I'm now trying to think who the Decepticons have in that size class then. Not the huge names like Trypticon or Scorponok, but equivalents to Jetfire and Magnus. Who is in the bigger than Megatron but smaller than a baseformer bracket? I can't think of anyone in the early/mid G1 continuity that would fit in with the Combiner Wars feel. Edit - purely G1 toy scale Shockwave fits that class, but despite that I've never seen him as being that big. His toy is bigger than Bruticus. |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Feb 21, 2015 14:01:06 GMT
Oh! Oh! If they'd done a tanky core Armada Megatron, they could've easily done some limb repaints as Armada Decepticons! Helicopter Cyclonus (call him something else), Demolishor, Snowcat.... gosh I'm I'm good. There is a logic to having the leaders being of similar size, number of features etc, but at the same time with such well established personalities at this point there is something to be said for Megatron not being a combiner. Put bluntly Megatron does not play well with others even when hes an Autobot. Armada Megatron combining with Tidalwave is one thing, Megatron is still Megatron, he's using Tidalwave as a weapon. Megatron combining CW style is a fusing of personalities. He's not letting any of his underlings get a peak inside his mind. Not when he can order loyal followers (or Cyclonus apparently) to comine on his behalf. I know thats way over in the fiction, but it's the established personalities that have helped sell the toys for 3 decades. I could see a Megatron combiner working differently with the core personality dominating the limbs. Would fit with Megatron. With Prime it'd be different with the limbs willingly surrendering their independence to power up Prime. See the Galvatron hidden in Cyclonus idea above |
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Post by Bogatan on Feb 21, 2015 14:33:41 GMT
There is a logic to having the leaders being of similar size, number of features etc, but at the same time with such well established personalities at this point there is something to be said for Megatron not being a combiner. Put bluntly Megatron does not play well with others even when hes an Autobot. Armada Megatron combining with Tidalwave is one thing, Megatron is still Megatron, he's using Tidalwave as a weapon. Megatron combining CW style is a fusing of personalities. He's not letting any of his underlings get a peak inside his mind. Not when he can order loyal followers (or Cyclonus apparently) to comine on his behalf. I like this point a lot. That's good thinking about Megatron. The fact he bulks up by wearing other 'Cons as armour and weaponry rather than actually integrating with them. That's different to Magnus because Magnus isn't putting other Autobots at risk when he combines with his trailer. I'm now trying to think who the Decepticons have in that size class then. Not the huge names like Trypticon or Scorponok, but equivalents to Jetfire and Magnus. Who is in the bigger than Megatron but smaller than a baseformer bracket? I can't think of anyone in the early/mid G1 continuity that would fit in with the Combiner Wars feel. Edit - purely G1 toy scale Shockwave fits that class, but despite that I've never seen him as being that big. His toy is bigger than Bruticus. That is kind of the problem, the leader in the highest price bracket is common to most toy lines so there arent a load of obviously big Decepticons. In more recent lines Lugnut and Blackout kind of fill that position, even if Megatron got the leader class toy again. Going back to the originals, then there is a some logic to the Strike jets being reinterpreted as leader class toys, though I still think thats too big. The Phase Sixers are the obvious ones. Sixshot and Overlord the big two. After that Double Dealer could be all kinds of great, but I'd prefer him to feature in one of the comics for a while to fully develop a strong character that the toy can capture. Apeface and Snapdragon would be fun too. Ultra Pretenders, Thunderwing (is thunderwing a P6?) |
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Post by Shockprowl on Feb 21, 2015 15:54:36 GMT
Thunderwing is deffinately a P6! I'd love a Stormbringer style Thunderwing...
Anyway, interesting the talk regarding Megatron's personality and him not wanting to combine. But I think, as Phil said, it'd be more like he's using any limbs he combines with, not sharing with them. He'd dominate. And there would lay his weakness within the Combiner Wars, because Optimus combined would be more powerful, more fluid, as he would use teamwork and cooperation.
And speaking as a former child (and indeed as a child still), I would have much preferred a Megatron core to combine with rather than a 'out of scale' leader class Megatron.
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Post by Pinwig on Feb 21, 2015 16:13:16 GMT
Headmasters is my secret hope for where Hasbro go next. I mean combiners never seemed likely, and although they've said no Headmasters because losing the head ruins the toy, we did get Brainstorm. If CW is the theme for the next 18 months, then I truly hope Headmasters/Targetmasters are back on the table too.
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Post by Pinwig on Feb 21, 2015 16:14:46 GMT
Anyway, interesting the talk regarding Megatron's personality and him not wanting to combine. But I think, as Phil said, it'd be more like he's using any limbs he combines with, not sharing with them. He'd dominate. And there would lay his weakness within the Combiner Wars, because Optimus combined would be more powerful, more fluid, as he would use teamwork and cooperation. This is fiction waiting to be written. Yep. Can't argue with that. Never argue with children, it doesn't work. |
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Post by The Doctor on Feb 21, 2015 16:27:20 GMT
Read the comics, Shockprowl.
-Ralph
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Post by Toph on Feb 21, 2015 17:50:44 GMT
Keep in mind, I'm not dissing the return of leaders in general, or applying them to Generations.
There are so many characters who bith deserve and need a leader class toy (jetfire, megatron, and friggin' THUNDERCRACKER ain't them, though).
My comment is that hasbro chose a really silly time to introduce them to Generations, with Combiner Wars, given that they're the same size as superion, and Menasor.
Hasbro had years to do this before, and on the flip side, it'll only be a limited time before hasbro decides to pull the plug on combiners, so there's post CW to do them, as well.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Feb 21, 2015 18:19:54 GMT
They're nowhere near the same size: the top of Jetfire's head comes up to around the bottom of the white panel on Superion's chest. Megatron isn't that much bigger than Jetfire but the combiners are much MUCH bigger.  Twitter Linkwww.toycollectors.com.au/blog/c437.jpgHaving seen Jetfire with a combiner and the remaining Voyager from wave 1 I think he's very appropriately scaled. I'll need to see Megatron and suspect he'll look OK as long as you don't have Optimus next to him: the two should be similarly scaled. |
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