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Post by Pinwig on Dec 25, 2015 20:58:58 GMT
So.... When we did Top 5 Toys: Wreckers Phil nominated Ultra Magnus. Twice. Which led to this.... P
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Post by Philip Ayres on Dec 25, 2015 21:09:10 GMT
My opinion is very much that he was part of the Wreckers Squad in Operation Volcano and is seen to be leading them during Optimus' return to Cybertron. He's one at least two other lists on the TFWiki page so he counts.
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 25, 2015 22:48:09 GMT
My opinion is very much that he was part of the Wreckers Squad in Operation Volcano and is seen to be leading them during Optimus' return to Cybertron. He's one at least two other lists on the TFWiki page so he counts. Phil is right. -Ralph |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Dec 26, 2015 8:36:22 GMT
Magnus was never a Wrecker in Marvel. He didn't have a Wrecker personality. The Autobots may have intended him to be a Wrecker, but he had his own ideas.
Martin
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 26, 2015 8:47:42 GMT
But...he was built for Operation: Volcano! He is a Wrecker!!!
-Ralph
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Dec 26, 2015 8:51:55 GMT
Emirate Xaaron was in Operation: Volcano! He wasn't a Wrecker!
Soundwave wasn't a Constructicon! Blaster wasn't a Throttlebot!
Yes, Magnus was built for Volcano, but the Wreckers weren't. They go back 4,000,000 years. They just joined forces with Magnus for this mission.
The Wreckers have lifetimes of killing behind them. Magnus was an innocent.
A Wrecker would have killed Hooligan in the arena.
Martin
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 26, 2015 8:55:46 GMT
Yes but Magnus was made specifically to spearhead the Wreckers mission. He may have turned out to have had to leave and then went on his own path but he was still a Wrecker even if only for about 5 minutes.
Xarron oversaw their missions.
-Ralph
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Dec 26, 2015 8:59:02 GMT
Emirate Xaaron was in Operation: Volcano! He wasn't a Wrecker! Soundwave wasn't a Constructicon! Blaster wasn't a Throttlebot! Yes, Magnus was built for Volcano, but the Wreckers weren't. They go back 4,000,000 years. They just joined forces with Magnus for this mission. The Wreckers have lifetimes of killing behind them. Magnus was an innocent. A Wrecker would have killed Hooligan in the arena. Martin Volcano was a big operation involving the whole resistance. Also, Inferno was not a Wrecker. Martin |
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Post by blueshift on Dec 26, 2015 9:02:56 GMT
Yes but Magnus was made specifically to spearhead the Wreckers mission. He may have turned out to have had to leave and then went on his own path but he was still a Wrecker even if only for about 5 minutes. Xarron oversaw their missions. -Ralph Xaaron is the Wreckers combined mode!! |
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 26, 2015 9:10:19 GMT
To the polls!
-Ralph
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 26, 2015 9:16:42 GMT
And show your working.
-Ralph
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 26, 2015 9:19:23 GMT
Sorry, Martin. Had to nuke your poll which went up at the same time to avoid confusion!
-Ralph
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Dec 26, 2015 9:33:37 GMT
Um, I thought my poll was unnecessarily complicated because it had three options rather than just two.
No, he wasn't a Wrecker because:
He was never referred to as one. He was their ally, built to work with them in one mission that he failed to show up for.
Impactor and Springer were leaders of the Wreckers, and it was clear in 'Resurrection' and 'The Harder They Die' that Magnus outranked Springer.
He wouldn't have made it past the personality screening for membership, as he wasn't psycho enough. A Wrecker would have killed Hooligan in the arena and not enjoyed wandering around North America doing nothing for months on end.
Martin
PS Cyclonus is not a Sweep.
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Post by blueshift on Dec 26, 2015 9:37:20 GMT
I do not believe he is a Wrecker as he never had a doofy blue Autobot logo and doesn't form part of Ruination. However I strongly believe Blaster to be a fully paid up member of the Throttlebots so I went with my secondary vote for Animorphs due to Ultra Mammoth
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 26, 2015 10:46:43 GMT
You have convinced me. I forgot about Ultra Mammoth.
-Ralph
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Dec 26, 2015 11:24:49 GMT
Ultra Magnus is not a Wrecker.
Martin gives all the reasons why this is the case.
Andy
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Post by Pinwig on Dec 26, 2015 11:25:18 GMT
Yep. Knew it...
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 26, 2015 13:12:04 GMT
Ultra Magnus is not a Wrecker. Martin gives all the reasons why this is the case. Andy You have not saddened me this much since the revelation of your poor pudding choices. -Ralph |
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Dec 26, 2015 14:30:51 GMT
In this I am correct and you are incorrect.
Andy
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 26, 2015 17:05:49 GMT
I weep for you.
-Ralph
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Dec 26, 2015 17:34:03 GMT
Save your misguided tears...
Andy
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Post by Benn on Dec 28, 2015 21:48:24 GMT
I believe Magnus lead the Wreckers in Dreamwave, but in all else he is no Wrecker, merely occasionally aligned with them.
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Post by legios on Dec 28, 2015 22:05:56 GMT
Depends which Ultra Magnus you are talking about. As observed above the answer is "yes" for the one in the Dreamwave comics, no for the one in the IDW and Marvel Comics, and no for the one in Sunbow or the one in Transformers:Animated. So, I vote for depends but, failing that, "Sausages".
Karl
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Dec 29, 2015 7:37:41 GMT
I believe Magnus lead the Wreckers in Dreamwave, but in all else he is no Wrecker, merely occasionally aligned with them. Depends which Ultra Magnus you are talking about. As observed above the answer is "yes" for the one in the Dreamwave comics, no for the one in the IDW and Marvel Comics, and no for the one in Sunbow or the one in Transformers:Animated. So, I vote for depends but, failing that, "Sausages". My original deleted poll made it clear we were talking about the Marvel comics. It is pleasing to see sanity prevail on that point. I am quite content for Magnus to be a Wrecker or not in other comics, which have the status of re-boot fanfiction in my eyes... The Strike Planes may call themselves Seekers in fanfiction... Martin |
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Post by Kingoji on Jan 6, 2016 18:59:27 GMT
I don't even believe Magnus was a Wrecker in Dreamwave. He was a general for the entire Cybertronian defense forces, he just happened to call on the Wreckers for that particular job. Since he had authority to do so.
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Post by legios on Jan 6, 2016 22:23:03 GMT
I may be in error there. The Dreamwave stuff I only experienced through reading other peoples issues down the pub pretty much so my base of first-hand information is quite limited, having opted to bail out at the end of issue 1...
Karl
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Post by Kingoji on Jan 7, 2016 10:26:16 GMT
Tbf, I think we're giving Dreamwave more thought than they did when they made it.
I base my opinion on the fact that if you were to ask Furman and Roche (the two definitive authorities on the Wreckers) they would say that Magnus is not a Wrecker. They would also say that Kup, Perceptor, Blaster, Drift and Blurr are not Wreckers.
I'm interested on how SINS deals with this, though. At the moment it seems we are to infer that Kup, Hubcap, and Stake Out are now Wreckers simply because they were present when Springer said "We're the Wreckers". I'd kinda be amused if someone turned on Springer at some point and said "No we aren't! You three are, but we aren't! Get over it!"
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Jan 7, 2016 19:25:14 GMT
I don't even believe Magnus was a Wrecker in Dreamwave. He was a general for the entire Cybertronian defense forces, he just happened to call on the Wreckers for that particular job. Since he had authority to do so. That's pretty much my take after re-reading War and Peace. DON'T JUDGE ME! Andy |
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Jan 7, 2016 19:26:32 GMT
Tbf, I think we're giving Dreamwave more thought than they did when they made it. I base my opinion on the fact that if you were to ask Furman and Roche (the two definitive authorities on the Wreckers) they would say that Magnus is not a Wrecker. They would also say that Kup, Perceptor, Blaster, Drift and Blurr are not Wreckers. I'm interested on how SINS deals with this, though. At the moment it seems we are to infer that Kup, Hubcap, and Stake Out are now Wreckers simply because they were present when Springer said "We're the Wreckers". I'd kinda be amused if someone turned on Springer at some point and said "No we aren't! You three are, but we aren't! Get over it!" I think Springer sees them as Wreckers by circumstance. There is an unpleasant job to be done and you are the only other people here. Therefore you are Wreckers. Were he given the luxury of picking a team then not a chance would they be Wreckers. Mind you, give Last Stand, it's highly probable they won't survive the mission anyway. Andy |
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Post by blueshift on Jan 7, 2016 19:47:00 GMT
Mind you, give Last Stand, it's highly probable they won't survive the mission anyway. I hope everyone survives, just to upset the fans who get off on lots of horrible death  |
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