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Post by The Doctor on May 6, 2019 16:38:26 GMT
Magnus would win!
-Ralph
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on May 6, 2019 16:49:42 GMT
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Post by Andy Turnbull on May 6, 2019 16:58:03 GMT
And in the second page Galvatron was down. Had Magnus pressed his advantage he could have won.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on May 6, 2019 17:00:05 GMT
Hmmm. Not convinced. He did no serious damage.
Martin
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Post by The Doctor on May 6, 2019 18:41:23 GMT
And in the second page Galvatron was down. Had Magnus pressed his advantage he could have won. Exactly! -Ralph
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on May 6, 2019 18:43:31 GMT
No, he'd have just got in a few more punches before Galvatron remembered what he was doing and handed him his ass.
Martin
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Post by Benn on May 6, 2019 19:55:40 GMT
Magnus's problem was always confidence, not strength. He's put Galvatron down twice, both times when he stopped thinking and just acted.
The next time, Magnus wouldn't have had that problem. Magnus would have beaten him.
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Post by The Doctor on May 6, 2019 20:52:04 GMT
Which he did. In Regeneration One!
-Ralph
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on May 7, 2019 5:29:10 GMT
A lot of stupid stuff happened in Regeneration One. It carries no weight with me.
Magnus's problem is he can't _damage_ Galvatron. He can momentarily stun him, but nothing more. Whereas Galvatron can kill Magnus if he puts his mind to it. That's why I am certain TFUK Magnus could never meaningfully beat TFUK Galvatron in a straight fight.
OK, Magnus with a Pathblaster, sure. That would be a different ball game. (Though I disliked the Pathblaster's sudden random appearance from nowhere. In the best stories, nothing could even scratch Galvatron's armour - not Megatron's fusion cannon, not a fall from space, not Death's Head's missile, nothing. Until 'Wrecking Havoc', when suddenly Rack'n'Ruin put a crater in his chest. That, after 'Salvage', was the downturn in Galvatron stories for me.)
And I'd be disappointed if Magnus ever did convincingly beat Galvatron because he shouldn't be able to. It would cheapen the 'special' thing about Galvatron, which is his Unicron-derived invincibility. Magnus is just an ordinary Autobot, built by Xaaron and given life by the Matrix Flame. He isn't even a Prime - not that even that would make him Galvatron's equal. Rodimus was useless in a protracted fight with Galvatron, and even Optimus Prime the Powermaster only did OK in Time Wars because Galvatron was already damaged and he was careful not to let him get any hits of his own in.
Galvatron laughed in the face of armies shooting at him. "Fools! You cannot hurt me! But I can hurt you!" He was a great threat. He took Death's Head's missile straight on without taking any damage and ripped his arm off. It's no coincidence the poorest Galvatron stories in my view are 'Salvage' and 'Time Wars', in which Furman gave up on him and made him damageable and beatable. It cheapened him and made him no more a threat than Megatron or Shockwave.
I believe in beating supervillains through cunning and trickery, not through the magic of self-belief.
Also, Magnus and Galvatron don't define one another. Galvatron has many enemies - Rodimus and Unicron (who he has more of an obsession with than he does with Magnus), the Dinobots and Blaster, Shockwave and Piranacon, Death's Head, Goldbug, Megatron, the Wreckers, Optimus Prime, etc. Magnus also has other enemies - Megatron, Flame and his zombies, Zabra and Hooligan.
Martin
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on May 7, 2019 6:54:30 GMT
Anyway, Magnus (albeit from the future) was in Time Wars and had his chance. He fired his gun at Galvatron. He missed. He shot Scorponok. Scorponok's troops tore him apart.
Nicely done, Magnus.
The End.
Martin
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Post by The Doctor on May 7, 2019 7:12:21 GMT
Martin is clearly on the side of Evil.
-Ralph
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on May 7, 2019 7:16:52 GMT
I like a powerful villain in a story, yes. And I like him to be defeated, e.g. by burying him in lava, or slapping his own Mind-Bug on his head to put him in a trance. I just don't like him defeated by the hero suddenly pulling himself together and using the power of belief to nonsensically become the villain's equal in power. This isn't Rocky!
It's like the Doctor saying he's had enough and punching a Dalek, and the Dalek falling to bits. It's silly!
Martin
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on May 7, 2019 7:20:27 GMT
If all it took to defeat Galvatron was self-belief, the Dinobots, Death's Head and Piranacon would have beaten him.
And if Magnus were Galvatron's equal, he wouldn't have been killed in 'Time Wars' by a handful of Headmasters.
Martin
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Post by The Doctor on May 7, 2019 9:00:52 GMT
I like a powerful villain in a story, yes. And I like him to be defeated, e.g. by burying him in lava, or slapping his own Mind-Bug on his head to put him in a trance. I just don't like him defeated by the hero suddenly pulling himself together and using the power of belief to nonsensically become the villain's equal in power. This isn't Martin So that would be the whole point of Captain America in comics and film! Self belief is the key! -Ralph
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Post by The Doctor on May 7, 2019 9:02:07 GMT
If all it took to defeat Galvatron was self-belief, the Dinobots, Death's Head and Piranacon would have beaten him. And if Magnus were Galvatron's equal, he wouldn't have been killed in 'Time Wars' by a handful of Headmasters. Martin The first two are egotisical rather than full of self-belief. The Magnus in Time Wars was 20 years older. Who knows what could have happened to him in those 20 years! -Ralph
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Post by blueshift on May 7, 2019 9:14:57 GMT
I like a powerful villain in a story, yes. And I like him to be defeated, e.g. by burying him in lava, or slapping his own Mind-Bug on his head to put him in a trance. I just don't like him defeated by the hero suddenly pulling himself together and using the power of belief to nonsensically become the villain's equal in power. This isn't Martin So that would be the whole point of Captain America in comics and film! Self belief is the key! -Ralph There was no super soldier serum! It was just a placebo!!
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Post by Fortmax2020 on May 7, 2019 16:51:41 GMT
I like to think Magnus, the pathblaster and the weaponry of the Wreckers were the product of four million years of war development hence why they could each slow Galvatron down and together.. together there might be a chance. The Earth based Autobots were trying to tackle him with outdated technology. No wonder he just shrugged it off.
That said Galvatron would be the Victor in any one in one fight with Magnus.
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Post by Fortmax2020 on May 7, 2019 16:52:11 GMT
And in the second page Galvatron was down. Had Magnus pressed his advantage he could have won. Galvatron had merely tripped!
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on May 7, 2019 17:05:43 GMT
I like to think Magnus, the pathblaster and the weaponry of the Wreckers were the product of four million years of war development hence why they could each slow Galvatron down and together.. together there might be a chance. The Earth based Autobots were trying to tackle him with outdated technology. Nah, TF technology stagnated in the 4,000,000 years since the Earth-based Autobots left. If that were not the case, Optimus Prime, Megatron, the Pretender Classics and so on wouldn't be such a big deal as they were in battle with contemporary Cybertronians on their return to Cybertron. Ramjet and co. are no more powerful than Starscream and co. Jetfire, Omega Supreme, the Protectobots, etc. are as advanced as their Cybertronian counterparts. Shockwave had Scorponok on the ropes. Prowl beat Snaptrap. And the Pathblaster exploded and killed Roadbuster. Only contact with biological life-forms spurred TF technology to advance, with Headmasters, Pretenders, Powermasters, etc. And Nucleon was an alien invention. Powermaster Optimus Prime, the TF who lasted the longest in a one-on-one fight with Galvatron, was a robot built by Nebulans upgrading the blueprints of a 4,000,000-year-old Autobot leader. And he did better than the Cybertronian Autobots' 'Greatest Warrior'. Martin
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Post by Fortmax2020 on May 7, 2019 17:08:40 GMT
That was his Powermaster engine doing the talking!
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Post by Fortmax2020 on May 7, 2019 17:09:08 GMT
Jhiaxus vs Galvatron I'd like to see.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on May 7, 2019 17:18:54 GMT
So that would be the whole point of Captain America in comics and film! Self belief is the key! Cue for any Stan Bush song. Self-belief should come with awareness of one's limitations, and a willingness to pursue alternative strategies. Albert Einstein is widely credited with saying, “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results.” Martin
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on May 7, 2019 17:22:43 GMT
Jhiaxus vs Galvatron I'd like to see. Gah. Don't mention Jhiaxus. I was so taken with Galvatron's special 'thing' being his utter invincibility, from 'Target: 2006' to 'Enemy Action', that I resented the introduction of any other character that tried to impress me in the same way. Jhiaxus shouldn't have been able to make beating Megatron look easy - only Galvatron should be able to do that! I'd only like to see Jhiaxus vs Galvatron if Galvatron wiped the floor with Jhiaxus. Martin
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Post by Fortmax2020 on May 7, 2019 17:24:09 GMT
The Next Generation. They may have been fools but they were tough. Until issue 8.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on May 7, 2019 17:26:04 GMT
Furman couldn't make his mind up as to whether the G2 Empire troops were supposed to be better or worse than the average G1 character.
Martin
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Post by Pinwig on May 7, 2019 19:40:59 GMT
Gah. Don't mention Jhiaxus. I mentioned him once, but I think I got away with it.
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Post by The Doctor on May 7, 2019 20:49:38 GMT
Jhiaxus was a tough robot. I reckon he could have given Galvatron a run for his money.
-Ralph
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Post by The Doctor on May 7, 2019 20:50:34 GMT
So that would be the whole point of Captain America in comics and film! Self belief is the key! Cue for any Stan Bush song. Self-belief should come with awareness of one's limitations, and a willingness to pursue alternative strategies. Martin You have just defined Steve Rogers! -Ralph
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Post by Andy Turnbull on May 7, 2019 21:14:03 GMT
Jhiaxus was a tough robot. I reckon he could have given Galvatron a run for his money. -Ralph I think he could have as well. Maybe he will one day...
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Post by KnightBeat on May 7, 2019 22:37:57 GMT
Several TMUKers commented on this in January, but it's worth resurrecting now that the issue is available. These colours are amazing.
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