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Post by Pinwig on Jan 13, 2018 20:23:17 GMT
You want to make this even longer?!
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jan 13, 2018 20:28:31 GMT
The effects will last a lifetime
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Post by Pinwig on Jan 13, 2018 20:33:00 GMT
Are you saying Titans' Return is the Pan Galactic Gargle-Blaster of the Transformers world?
That's... That's... Mind expanding.
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Post by Pinwig on Jan 13, 2018 20:37:01 GMT
I'll consider this quite a success if I ascend to the astral plane by mainlining the worst Transformers cartoon ever made. I didn't realise spiritual awakening was on offer. Bonus!
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 13, 2018 20:45:45 GMT
You want to make this even longer?! In all seriousness it's so you get at least a flavour of how these episodes were intended to be seen and were experienced by the initial audience. A week between episodes is perhaps too much to ask now but I would suggest a minute's pause between each one. Part of the experience is that they were published as serials and not in compilation form. -Ralph
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Post by Pinwig on Jan 13, 2018 20:51:18 GMT
Right! Three hours it is then.
Although combiner wars I did watch. I just stopped before the end of the first titans episode.
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 13, 2018 21:47:15 GMT
You are allowed to stash up on whatever legal substances you need to get you through this ordeal.
-Ralph
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Post by Pinwig on Jan 13, 2018 21:53:53 GMT
Coffee and toast I think.
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 13, 2018 21:54:55 GMT
If you think that will help.
-Ralph
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Post by Pinwig on Jan 14, 2018 8:30:26 GMT
Right. Here we go then.
Open mind.
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Post by Pinwig on Jan 14, 2018 8:35:21 GMT
Blimey I'd forgotten how short the CW episodes are.
I'm approaching this as if it's its own continuity.
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Post by Pinwig on Jan 14, 2018 8:49:30 GMT
This is a little heavy on the foreboding. Three episodes of ominous portent without giving enough to the viewer to start understanding the narrative. It makes it sound like the combiners were some overpowered WMD that ended the war, like nuclear weapons. Too powerful.
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Post by Pinwig on Jan 14, 2018 8:54:03 GMT
Also not noticed before that the female characters get lots of lingering midriff and arse shots when they're introduced.
If Pottop Starscream looked like this we'd be okay.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jan 14, 2018 9:10:03 GMT
Right. Here we go then. Open mind. Broken mind by the time you're done. Don't say we didn't warn you.
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Post by Pinwig on Jan 14, 2018 9:10:03 GMT
Ah right. So the combiners are the ultimate weapons, and the enigma is what's used to create them by allowing Transformers to merge. Starscream takes that a step further by using combiners to create a combiner. Which for some reason turns him wireframe.
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Post by blueshift on Jan 14, 2018 9:10:21 GMT
Right. Here we go then. Open mind. Be ok Pinwig
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Post by Pinwig on Jan 14, 2018 9:13:46 GMT
It's like each episode just needs another few lines of dialogue to explain what's going on. It's not *bad* just poorly written. The only other problem is as previously identified, most of the voices don't match the characters and feel cheap, so it has the feel of a fan dub.
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Post by Shockprowl on Jan 14, 2018 9:17:23 GMT
Oh my God he's really doing this.
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Post by Pinwig on Jan 14, 2018 9:21:45 GMT
Metroplex's arm was the wrong choice for the big payoff. An arm. Which then just sits there. Like Metroplex only works when controlled by Windblade.
If the Constructicons hadn't been shown as individuals it would be like combiners are a permanent evolution, becoming a 'people' as the mistress said in their own right. Too powerful to exist with the other Transformers. I note that the individual Constructicons didn't speak, just beep, but Devastator did.
CW runs at the speed of modern kids cartoons, all dialogue snippets and action, but wants to present a coherent story that needs more time and better pacing. I see what they're trying to achieve but it falls between those two stools.
So, the solution is longer episodes to allow for a better explained narrative? Let's see how that goes then.
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Post by Shockprowl on Jan 14, 2018 9:27:21 GMT
He sounds remarkably calm and sane...
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Post by blueshift on Jan 14, 2018 9:41:01 GMT
Metroplex's arm was the wrong choice for the big payoff. An arm. Which then just sits there. Like Metroplex only works when controlled by Windblade. If the Constructicons hadn't been shown as individuals it would be like combiners are a permanent evolution, becoming a 'people' as the mistress said in their own right. Too powerful to exist with the other Transformers. I note that the individual Constructicons didn't speak, just beep, but Devastator did. CW runs at the speed of modern kids cartoons, all dialogue snippets and action, but wants to present a coherent story that needs more time and better pacing. I see what they're trying to achieve but it falls between those two stools. So, the solution is longer episodes to allow for a better explained narrative? Let's see how that goes then. I feel like this is some sort of Stockholm Syndrome???
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Post by Shockprowl on Jan 14, 2018 9:43:42 GMT
Maybe he's looking at through the eyes of an educational academic...?
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Post by Pinwig on Jan 14, 2018 9:53:18 GMT
I like the concept behind the titans. That they're basically ark ships for colonising other planets. This is better paced than CW, but it's still offering loads of ideas without explaining them properly.
The Doc is right about the sound mix. Terrible. It's a struggle to hear some of the lines, particularly Hot Rod and Perceptor.
On to part three!
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Post by Pinwig on Jan 14, 2018 9:57:59 GMT
Well I have spent the best part of two years analysing the G1 cartoon. I want to know what makes this tick, what's it trying to achieve.
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Post by Benn on Jan 14, 2018 10:04:16 GMT
You brave soul...
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 14, 2018 10:06:32 GMT
I'm still amazed that Combiner Wars didn't feature the gimmick of the toy line it was promoting. No one combines!
-Ralph
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 14, 2018 10:08:00 GMT
Well I have spent the best part of two years analysing the G1 cartoon. I want to know what makes this tick, what's it trying to achieve. Madness... ...and DEATH. -Ralph
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Post by Pinwig on Jan 14, 2018 10:08:12 GMT
Hmm. So double length episodes doesn't mean better a better plot structure. Just everything happening more slowly. The Trypticon/Metroplex fight is trying to show the scale of the combatants, but they're just standing pushing each other.
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Post by Pinwig on Jan 14, 2018 10:15:23 GMT
Is this written by anyone we know? It feels more like a fanfic than a proper series. I see we're getting the Primes fed into this early to link better to part three. More should have been made of needing to wake the titans to solve the combiner problem in CW. The last shot of that looking into space made it seem like the titans were returning from somewhere, not that Metroplex had woken up.
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Post by Shockprowl on Jan 14, 2018 10:23:58 GMT
Pinwig truely is the Strongest of us.
But even the Strongest cliff rocks weather under the relentless tide over time....
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