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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Sept 12, 2019 21:11:48 GMT
You'll get to talk about the Masteforce cartoon though! But the Sparkabots weren't in it and the Firecons were animated in their western toy colours. Martin
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Sept 12, 2019 21:17:56 GMT
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 13, 2019 6:15:32 GMT
Roadgrabber wins!
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 13, 2019 6:26:38 GMT
Welcome to the 1988 Japanese catalogue! Some toys the US & UK had, lots of mad repaints and a few new toys. There is a second version o this catalogue, corrected with the production God Bomber, that I don't have. It doesn't correct the other difficulties though, one of which we're facing this week. So lets gets started then: Week 82: What is the best Cybertron Sparkdash repaint?Thee problem here is that Takara have used the Western Sparkabots to represent the Japanese Sparkdash! See brr-icy.blogspot.com/2014/04/sparkabots-and-masterforce-sparkdashers.html for actual pictures and comparisons Sparkdash Wildspark is all but identical to the Sparkabot Fizzle so is not up for the vote in the same way we didn't vote for Targetmaster Hot Rod etc.
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Post by blueshift on Sept 13, 2019 6:33:42 GMT
Sparkdash Wildspark is all but identical to the Sparkabot Fizzle so is not up for the vote in the same way we didn't vote for Targetmaster Hot Rod etc. While I don't want to be THAT PERSON, that site Phil linked to clearly shows that Fizzle and Wildspark have different colour faces, rendering them legitimate repaints. ILLEGAL POLL DID PHIL LIE TO THE QUEEN AND TELL HER FIZZLE AND WILDSPARK WERE IDENTICAL??
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 13, 2019 6:39:27 GMT
If the addition of a Targetmaster and the mounting hole for it plus changing the gague of the hands isn't enough to constitute a new figure, then a less than 1cm square blob of paint isn't either!
I did say at the time the Targetmaster decision would have consequences and you all went "yeah, yeah", but here we are.
ILLEGAL COMPLAINT!
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Post by Shockprowl on Sept 13, 2019 6:45:47 GMT
What the heck are these...?
HARDspark? Really? Really?
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Sept 13, 2019 6:49:19 GMT
Translated tech-specs from soundwavesoblivion.com:
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Post by The Huff on Sept 13, 2019 6:57:52 GMT
I vote for Hardspark as he looks like Guzzle did in Enemy Action. Also what colour I thought the original toy would be when I read that issue. White tank treads!? Did he ever travel in his tank mode?
(And yes, Fizzle repaint should be included in this poll I think. Though he'd lose because he is the least different).
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 13, 2019 6:58:20 GMT
What the heck are these...? HARDspark? Really? Really?Day 1 of "Let's Teach Shockprowl about Japanese TFs" goes as expected. In Japan the Sparkabots, and Firecons who will come to next week, get new paint jobs, well 2 of the 3 in each team do, and different names, I'd say new but next week it becomes confusing, as the Sparkdash. This week it's the Cybertron (Autobot) Sparkdash, next week it's the Destron (Decepticon) Sparkdash.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 13, 2019 6:59:30 GMT
(And yes, Fizzle repaint should be included in this poll I think. Though he'd lose because he is the least different). Hot Rod and Firebolt......
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Sept 13, 2019 7:06:06 GMT
Tech-specs comparison: | Hardspark | Guzzle | Strength | 6.5 | 7 | Intelligence | 3 | 6 | Speed | 4 | 2 | Endurance | 7 | 7 | Rank | 3 | 5 | Courage | 6 | 8 | Firepower | 8.5 | 7 | Skill | 3 | 4 | | Hotspark | Sizzle | Strength | 5 | 4 | Intelligence | 2 | 7 | Speed | 6 | 6 | Endurance | 6 | 7 | Rank | 2 | 5 | Courage | 8 | 7 | Firepower | 9 | 6 | Skill | 3 | 5 | | Wildspark | Fizzle | Strength | 7 | 6 | Intelligence | 2 | 8 | Speed | 3.5 | 6 | Endurance | 7 | 2 | Rank | 2 | 6 | Courage | 7 | 6 | Firepower | 8 | 1 | Skill | 2 | 8 |
Sparkdashers generally not very intelligent and low-ranking compared to Sparkabots (2s and 3s). But Wildspark apparently has firepower 8 compared to Fizzle's feeble 1. Martin
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Sept 13, 2019 7:13:04 GMT
Phil is right, not only because of Targetmaster Hot Rod but because we didn't vote separately on the minor variations of the original Optimus Prime, Spy Cassettes, etc.
Martin
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Sept 13, 2019 7:20:37 GMT
I've voted Hardspark, but I like the description of Hotspark's "Fire Skid". ("He attacks transforming to car mode, dashing back and forth causing flames and a riot, and starts attacking the enemy from behind.") And I think some people here will vote for him on the basis of his amusing function.
Martin
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Sept 13, 2019 7:26:10 GMT
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Post by The Huff on Sept 13, 2019 7:33:04 GMT
(And yes, Fizzle repaint should be included in this poll I think. Though he'd lose because he is the least different). Hot Rod and Firebolt...... Targetmaster Hotrod doesn't have a yellow face...
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Sept 13, 2019 7:51:02 GMT
Hmmm! Guzzle's box art has black tank treads like Hardspark's, though the Guzzle toy actually had white treads.
Martin
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Post by Shockprowl on Sept 13, 2019 8:06:03 GMT
Hmmm, yeah I think Wildspank should be included here. Ya can't split the spanks like this, Big Phil. Ya just can't do it.
Doc' is gonna kick-off big time over this.
I cannot not vote for HARDspank though. What a name. I don't even know which one he is. I just have to vote for that name.
HARDSPANK
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Post by The Huff on Sept 13, 2019 10:15:54 GMT
Why have we never had UK comic coloured Fizzle & Sizzle?
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 13, 2019 10:22:04 GMT
Welcome to the 1988 Japanese catalogue! Got a lot of love for this catalogue, it was the first Japanese one I acquired in my Godbomber c1992. I had a Japanese friend at University translate it for me. Scans are of my catalogue, did new ones a few months ago just for this. And there is some real madness on it!
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 13, 2019 16:55:57 GMT
Sparkdash Wildspark is all but identical to the Sparkabot Fizzle so is not up for the vote in the same way we didn't vote for Targetmaster Hot Rod etc. While I don't want to be THAT PERSON, that site Phil linked to clearly shows that Fizzle and Wildspark have different colour faces, rendering them legitimate repaints. ILLEGAL POLL DID PHIL LIE TO THE QUEEN AND TELL HER FIZZLE AND WILDSPARK WERE IDENTICAL?? I KNEW THIS WOULD HAPPEN. ILLEGAL POLL!!! I HAVE PROROGUED THE HUB! -The Ralphyard
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 13, 2019 16:56:29 GMT
I vote #Wildspark.
-Ralph
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 13, 2019 16:57:18 GMT
If the addition of a Targetmaster and the mounting hole for it plus changing the gague of the hands isn't enough to constitute a new figure, then a less than 1cm square blob of paint isn't either! I did say at the time the Targetmaster decision would have consequences and you all went "yeah, yeah", but here we are. ILLEGAL COMPLAINT! We did not agree! We told you you were wrong!!! -The Ralphyard
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 13, 2019 17:56:56 GMT
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Post by blueshift on Sept 13, 2019 17:59:35 GMT
I feel like Wildspark is not the greatest sparkabot but maybe the greatest transformer of all time
#vote wildspark
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 13, 2019 20:43:54 GMT
I feel like Wildspark is not the greatest sparkabot but maybe the greatest transformer of all time #vote wildspark #Wildspark. Must be have a REFERENDUM? -Ralph
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Post by Pinwig on Sept 13, 2019 21:31:23 GMT
Man oh man. I'm going to have to come back here when I'm less tired because I have absolutely no idea what's been going on here today.
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Post by blueshift on Sept 13, 2019 21:32:51 GMT
Man oh man. I'm going to have to come back here when I'm less tired because I have absolutely no idea what's been going on here today. Perfidy has, Pinwig PERFIDY!!!!!
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Post by Jaymz on Sept 13, 2019 21:33:15 GMT
We didn't vote on variants on the same characters, true, but this is a different character from Fizzle with a different colour face. That's like saying G2 tank Megatron is the same as BWII Megastorm, when one is clearly wearing mascara.
I'm not sure why you didn't just put Wildspark in the poll Phil, I think you enjoy the controversy. This is almost as bad as when you move posts for no reason and confuse everyone.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 13, 2019 22:03:52 GMT
But then what do you do about the Destron sparkdash next week, who's a different character but identical?
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