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Post by The Doctor on Sept 20, 2019 7:43:03 GMT
Another illegal poll!!!
-Ralph
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Post by Benn on Sept 20, 2019 8:01:57 GMT
Wait wait wait wait wait
I concur with Ralph. We vote on the catalogue. If the pictures of all the toys in the catalogue are identical to the western versions, then we should be voting on all three or none at all.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 20, 2019 8:09:57 GMT
Then we should have voted for Sideswipe, Prowl, Mirage etc in 1985. That ship has long since sailed.
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Post by blueshift on Sept 20, 2019 12:53:20 GMT
Wait wait wait wait wait I concur with Ralph. We vote on the catalogue. If the pictures of all the toys in the catalogue are identical to the western versions, then we should be voting on all three or none at all. I can't believe we have got an illegal poll just a week after the last one!!
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Post by The Huff on Sept 20, 2019 12:56:27 GMT
If the toy is different then it's a new toy. If it's the same then leave it out.
I go on the premis that I'd have already seen the UK/US releases first and would have decided which toy I liked best/wanted to buy first going on that catalogue. Then later, upon discovering that there were different colour versions in Japan, I would make my choice on those. I wouldn't be thinking "wow two Firecons are different colours - I must buy another Flamefeather again even though he is still the same colour."
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Post by blueshift on Sept 20, 2019 13:05:54 GMT
If the toy is different then it's a new toy. If it's the same then leave it out. I go on the premis that I'd have already seen the UK/US releases first and would have decided which toy I liked best/wanted to buy first going on that catalogue. Then later, upon discovering that there were different colour versions in Japan, I would make my choice on those. I wouldn't be thinking "wow two Firecons are different colours - I must buy another Flamefeather again even though he is still the same colour." Ah but the illegality is that this is a catalogue poll and yet the catalogue shows them in Western colours!
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Post by Benn on Sept 20, 2019 13:14:57 GMT
Then we should have voted for Sideswipe, Prowl, Mirage etc in 1985. That ship has long since sailed. The point is we didn't. The catalogue shows identical toys, and that's what we're voting on, isn't it? So either none of the Firecons are eligible, or all are. If the catalogue showed the correct Japanese colours, then I absolutely agree with this poll. But it doesn't.
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Post by The Huff on Sept 20, 2019 14:52:39 GMT
When I see new or recoloured toys in a catalogue, I just go on what is new to me - so what I'd count as a 'new' or different toy. So I see a new catalogue and go wow: - Action Masters! The next year I go: Wow! New Action Masters (the Action Masters of old don't get a wow this time as I've seen them before, sorry). The following year I might go: Wow! New Action Masters that transform! Wow! Blue Wheeljack! (But same colour Wheeljack doesn't get a wow as I've seen him before - no matter how much he stares at me).
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Sept 20, 2019 16:04:56 GMT
Er... um... No, hang on, I think Phil might be in the clear on this... because... I _think_ we've always been voting on the toy that the catalogue is _supposed_ to be showing us, and which is actually available to buy in the shops, rather than than the toy the catalogue mistakenly depicts. So when the catalogue showed Astrotrain or Bluestreak in colours that they were never available to buy them in, we surely voted on the basis of the toys that were available to buy, which _should_ have been in the catalogues. And when the catalogue pairs the wrong Targetmaster weapons with the wrong TFs, we aren't voting on those mistaken pairings, we're voting on what we know was sold in the box. And when Bruticus is missing his hat on the picture, we don't penalise him for that when it comes to voting... do we? Because we know if you buy Onslaught, you get the hat.
So if a Japanese catalogue displays Destron Sparkdashers in colours that do not match the colours they actually came in when you bought them in Japanese shops, shouldn't we just treat them as catalogue errors and vote on the toys that _should_ have been shown, i.e. what you'd get if you bought the named toy?
In which case there are indeed two (but not three) Destron Sparkdashers that are different from toys we've voted on previously (recalling the rule that we don't vote on the same toy twice in this thread).
Martin
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Post by Benn on Sept 20, 2019 16:24:09 GMT
Who would have thought this could get so confusing?
I've always gone (as far as I can remember) for what was shown on the catalogue. Everything else, such as Martin's tech specs and such, are interesting, but they don't sway my decision.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Sept 20, 2019 16:29:41 GMT
Who would have thought this could get so confusing? It would be much easier if the catalogue pictures always matched exactly what was available to buy. I've always gone (as far as I can remember) for what was shown on the catalogue. Even when you know the toy as shown on the catalogue was never released to buy as shown? And you have experience playing with the one that was produced? I don't recall anyone shouting illegal poll when we failed to vote on the likes of Bluestreak and Astrotrain for a second time when they appeared in their correct colours after previously appearing in wrong colours... 'cos we all knew that they were only actually available in one set of colours. Martin
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Post by Benn on Sept 20, 2019 16:35:55 GMT
Possibly!
I think there is some blurring of the lines. Those colours (for as you say, Bluestreak and Astrotrain as examples) NEVER were released, but they were the same characters as the ones that did get released? So they didn't get voted on again. Whereas these are different characters (in my head anyway) so that does make it different?
It's a tricky one, and I can only say on what it 'feels' like to me. I suspect there are no right answers that will fit everyone!
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 20, 2019 17:10:54 GMT
Who would have thought this could get so confusing? Me. I spent aged trying to work out how to do this catalogue and knew the first couple of weeks would be painful. Thankfully it gets a bit easier from here
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Post by blueshift on Sept 20, 2019 17:46:16 GMT
Er... um... No, hang on, I think Phil might be in the clear on this... because... I _think_ we've always been voting on the toy that the catalogue is _supposed_ to be showing us, and which is actually available to buy in the shops, rather than than the toy the catalogue mistakenly depicts. So when the catalogue showed Astrotrain or Bluestreak in colours that they were never available to buy them in, we surely voted on the basis of the toys that were available to buy, which _should_ have been in the catalogues. And when the catalogue pairs the wrong Targetmaster weapons with the wrong TFs, we aren't voting on those mistaken pairings, we're voting on what we know was sold in the box. And when Bruticus is missing his hat on the picture, we don't penalise him for that when it comes to voting... do we? Because we know if you buy Onslaught, you get the hat. So if a Japanese catalogue displays Destron Sparkdashers in colours that do not match the colours they actually came in when you bought them in Japanese shops, shouldn't we just treat them as catalogue errors and vote on the toys that _should_ have been shown, i.e. what you'd get if you bought the named toy? In which case there are indeed two (but not three) Destron Sparkdashers that are different from toys we've voted on previously (recalling the rule that we don't vote on the same toy twice in this thread). Martin I've been voting on the catalogue appearances
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Post by The Huff on Sept 20, 2019 18:13:40 GMT
Does anyone remember getting a toy after seeing it in the catalogue first and thinking WTF? Some of these for me were Perceptor, Crankcase, Thunderwing and the main one being Scowl as it was a completely different robot with the shell.
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 21, 2019 11:16:51 GMT
I keep Phil in line.
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 26, 2019 15:44:09 GMT
Finishes tomorrow!
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Post by Pinwig on Sept 26, 2019 20:20:15 GMT
I keep Phil in line. -Ralph Hands up everyone who believes this.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 27, 2019 6:18:25 GMT
Exactly what we thought then.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 27, 2019 6:23:28 GMT
A clean sweep for Sparkdash Guzzle
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Post by Shockprowl on Sept 27, 2019 6:25:42 GMT
*hopes the next one involves toys he actually recognises*
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 27, 2019 6:26:02 GMT
Week 84: What is the best Medium Sized New Toy on the 1988 Japan catalogue?
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Sept 27, 2019 6:27:48 GMT
Wow. I was expecting Junior Headmaster recolours or something. Didn't see this coming!
Martin
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Sept 27, 2019 6:30:31 GMT
soundwavesoblivion.com says:
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Post by Shockprowl on Sept 27, 2019 6:30:43 GMT
WOAW!
There's a lot of information there!
Errr, ok, let's see....
So, is that Metalhawk? The Goldy Pretender there?
And that, the the the Powermaster Optimus Prime with the extra bits is God Garry? God Ginrai? God something...
And, gosh is that BROWNING?! He looks SUPERB!
EDIT: I wrote this before Phil had put the poll names up! Honest! I got then more-or-less right! Woop!
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Sept 27, 2019 6:38:54 GMT
Metalhawk and Godbomber have strength 9, Browning 7... which is impressive given that in the cartoon he's only toy-sized.
Metalhawk has intelligence 10, Godbomber 6, Browning 4.
Metalhawk has speed 10, Godbomber 8, Browning 5.
They all have endurance 8.
Metalhawk has rank 10 (he's Autobot Leader on Earth for the first part of the cartoon series), Godbomber 6, Browning 4.
Metalhawk has courage 10, Godbomber and Browning 6.
Godbomber has firepower 10, Metalhawk and Browning 9.
Metalhawk has skill 9, Godbomber and Browning 7.
Martin
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Post by Llama God on Sept 27, 2019 6:39:26 GMT
EDIT: I wrote this before Phil had put the poll names up! Honest! I got then more-or-less right! Woop! It's all that coffee on your lap - went straight to your brain.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Sept 27, 2019 6:42:20 GMT
Godbomber is the extra trailer for PM Prime. It turns into a robot or armour for PM Prime. It is _not_ the combined form. Martin
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Post by Llama God on Sept 27, 2019 6:43:54 GMT
Ooooooooooh this is a difficult one. Metalhawk's certainly the nicest looking Pretender on that page, but as with any catalogue my eye is always drawn to the Optimus Prime-a-like. Even though we know he's an awful toy, I'd be lusting over that Prime-extension so bad! But THEN we get to Browning, and it's a Megatron-a-like! Argh! Too much awesomeness here!
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 27, 2019 6:46:20 GMT
And that, the the the Powermaster Optimus Prime with the extra bits is God Garry? God Ginrai? God something... Not quite. God Bomber is the robot that forms the extra trailer for PM Optimus Prime and then breaks into armour. God Ginrai is their combined form - they were sold separately and as a boxset - and we will meet him in a few weeks time when he will loose his pole. God Bomber also looks slightly different as a toy.... See C-201 Metalhawk tfwiki.net/wiki/Metalhawk_(Masterforce)C-309 Godbomber tfwiki.net/wiki/GodbomberD-308 Browning tfwiki.net/wiki/Browning
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