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Post by Pinwig on Sept 28, 2018 19:21:47 GMT
To answer questions up thread - the New Leaders ad first appeared in #77 6/9/86 (been making notes on my re-read) Found a pic online:  |
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Post by Jim on Sept 28, 2018 19:25:13 GMT
The new Leaders! The irony being that fictionally neither is much of a leader. Magnus is a big red-white-and-blue Optimus-alike piece of misdirection for the introduction of Rodimus Prime, Galvatron is just plain nuts. And both so integral to the UK comic.
I only ever had Galvatron, quite a bit after he was released when there were stacks of them on sale at our local newly-opened Co-op superstore (the first place I ever saw _automatic doors_. So futuristic!). I remember getting him so well!
Easy choice though, he's a sturdy toy with a ton of play value.
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Post by The Huff on Sept 28, 2018 19:53:06 GMT
Ultra Magnus looks a complete whimp in that advert. Look - it's the new leader of the Autobots and he's being shot!
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Post by Jim on Sept 28, 2018 20:00:44 GMT
And Galvatron isn't even using the big gun! From the pose of his right hand it looks like he's wiggling his fingers as he decides which weapon to use on this clear loser, before deciding to try the weaker one.
And all Magnus can do is turn his face away in shame.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Sept 28, 2018 20:12:37 GMT
  I thought it was weird releasing Galvatron in the UK with the function of City Commander, when there was no city in the toy line for him to command. In all the Marvel UK present day comics, neither of them was ever properly established as Leader or as commander of a city. Martin |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Sept 28, 2018 20:18:20 GMT
Galvatron has speed 9. Either he can drive really fast in tank mode, or it's referring to when he's riding around in Cyclonus.
I don't know how to vote on this one.
Reluctant to vote for Magnus as he's not as good as Optimus Prime in terms of the play value of the Combat Deck.
OK, Galvatron it is.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 28, 2018 20:18:42 GMT
I thought it was weird releasing Galvatron in the UK with the function of City Commander, when there was no city in the toy line for him to command. We will be coming onto that matter very shortly.... |
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Sept 28, 2018 20:25:01 GMT
And Galvatron isn't even using the big gun! From the pose of his right hand it looks like he's wiggling his fingers as he decides which weapon to use on this clear loser, before deciding to try the weaker one. And all Magnus can do is turn his face away in shame. "HE SHOT ME!" |
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Post by Shockprowl on Sept 28, 2018 21:30:08 GMT
I thought it was weird releasing Galvatron in the UK with the function of City Commander, when there was no city in the toy line for him to command. In all the Marvel UK present day comics, neither of them was ever properly established as Leader or as commander of a city. Martin Their Techspecs are problematic. As you said, Grand Moff, Galvatron's speed is odd. But Ultra Magnus is all over the place! Strength a mere 9? Rank 8?!?! |
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Post by Shockprowl on Sept 28, 2018 21:37:33 GMT
I also dislike the whole 'New Leaders' concept. And no it's not 'cos I'm a G1 fanboy! 'New Leaders' just smacks of commercialism. And and and treating us like we're idiots. We don't need silly O.T.T. tag lines to sell us interesting toys!
I also think they handled Ultra Magnus incorrectly in the comics. Made him too soft, doubting himself all the time
And, you know what?! Why doesn't it go into 'Galvatron is Megatron' in Galvatron's Techspecs?! Huh?!?!
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 28, 2018 21:38:13 GMT
I have decided to vote for...GALVATRON!!!!
I enjoyed shooting people with the laser gun mode back in the day. Great toy. Magnus is good but Galvatron just edges him as a toy.
-Ralph
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 28, 2018 21:39:05 GMT
I also think they handled Ultra Magnus incorrectly in the comics. Made him too soft, doubting himself all the time ! ONE OF THE MOST BELOVED COMICS CHARACTERS, I THINK YOU'LL FIND!!! -Ralph |
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Post by Shockprowl on Sept 28, 2018 21:41:45 GMT
I also think they handled Ultra Magnus incorrectly in the comics. Made him too soft, doubting himself all the time ! ONE OF THE MOST BELOVED COMICS CHARACTERS, I THINK YOU'LL FIND!!! -Ralph Hey! I love Ultra Magnus, thank you, Docktor! It's just in the comics he seemed to doubt himself just too much! |
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Sept 28, 2018 22:26:35 GMT
And, you know what?! Why doesn't it go into 'Galvatron is Megatron' in Galvatron's Techspecs?! Huh?!?! Spoilers. |
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Sept 28, 2018 22:27:11 GMT
I thought it was weird releasing Galvatron in the UK with the function of City Commander, when there was no city in the toy line for him to command. In all the Marvel UK present day comics, neither of them was ever properly established as Leader or as commander of a city. Martin Their Techspecs are problematic. As you said, Grand Moff, Galvatron's speed is odd. But Ultra Magnus is all over the place! Strength a mere 9? Rank 8?!?! Low rank because he is just a soldier. |
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Post by Pinwig on Sept 28, 2018 22:47:35 GMT
I've always wanted to know how the bios for these two came about. Like Galavtron's tech spec is completely different to his TFU entry. There is definitely something in the fact that the movie characters were defined by the film and not Budianski. It put a kink in the routine. The tech specs for both make them sound like lieutenants under Prime and Megatron, beefed up to being New Leaders in marketing when the old toys were retired.
There's a parallel continuity in the ether that is potentially more exciting than the real one.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Sept 29, 2018 4:49:23 GMT
I think Ultra Magnus's tech-specs fit his Marvel UK character well, apart from his function. He's not as strong as Optimus, he was most happy when fighting alongside Optimus on Cybertron, and he didn't have an especially high rank. As for his doubts, you'd have doubts too if you kept having to fight Galvatron again and again.
Galvatron's tech-specs - yeah, if they'd told the truth it would have spoiled the surprise revelation in 'Target: 2006'. "I am Megatron!" Yeah, I know, I read it on your tech-specs in the shop.
Martin
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Post by Shockprowl on Sept 29, 2018 7:03:52 GMT
There's a parallel continuity in the ether that is potentially more exciting than the real one. Yes I like this idea. |
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Post by Shockprowl on Sept 29, 2018 7:11:33 GMT
Yep I'm going Ultra Magnus. For no other reason than the hours I happily spent driving my other Autobot cars around on him.
Neck and neck again!
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Post by The Huff on Sept 29, 2018 8:00:27 GMT
There was also the Ladybird Books take on these two - Ultra Magnus taking over when Optimus disappears and Galvatron arriving from the future to take over from Megatron. Almost what could have happened in Target 2006 if things went differently.
I agree about Galvatrons bio is better off not mentioning he was Megatron - I loved being surprised by the revelation in the comic.
Also the tech specs then didn't seem to like to say 'this is the same guy as this other guy' perhaps because Hasbro thought that there was the chance less people would buy them as they already had that character. The same is true for Rodimus Prime and Goldbug (that mentions the mind of Bumblebee in this new toy but still alludes to him being someone else).
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 29, 2018 8:24:38 GMT
Yup. A couple of decades before Transformers devolved into having a 'core cast' rather than new stuff all the time!
-Ralph
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Post by The Huff on Sept 29, 2018 8:54:00 GMT
I also tend to think of Galvatron as a separate character from Megatron. I mean, he IS Megatron, but Megatron from the future.
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Post by Baron B of Triple B on Sept 29, 2018 10:59:34 GMT
Toughest choice yet. Immediate reaction was Magnus but I really don't know. Galvatron was one of my favourite Transformers toys when I was a kid.
Help! Someone decide for me.
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Post by blueshift on Sept 29, 2018 12:33:24 GMT
Toughest choice yet. Immediate reaction was Magnus but I really don't know. Galvatron was one of my favourite Transformers toys when I was a kid. Help! Someone decide for me. The answer is Galvatron |
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Sept 29, 2018 15:54:03 GMT
Teletran 2 files say to vote... >ULTRA MAGNUS<
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Post by Pinwig on Sept 29, 2018 16:03:20 GMT
He is practical, and serious: "Move out, but be careful".
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 29, 2018 16:38:52 GMT
Teletran 2 files say to vote... >ULTRA MAGNUS< GALVATRON! -Ralph |
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Post by Shockprowl on Sept 29, 2018 17:24:44 GMT
Toughest choice yet. Immediate reaction was Magnus but I really don't know. Galvatron was one of my favourite Transformers toys when I was a kid. Help! Someone decide for me. Ultra Magnus is the only answer that is resolute and inspiring. Don't listen to those boobies Blue' and Doc'. |
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Post by jonathan85 on Sept 29, 2018 21:46:21 GMT
Never had Magnus, and Galvatron is a great toy, so I vote for him. Plus, finding him is one of my favourite TF memories as a child...
So I was in Morecombe on holiday about 1990 or 1991, and my parents and I popped into the local car boot sale the Sunday we were there. Lo and behold, there was some teenager selling off all his Transformers collection, including both Galvatron and Rodimus Prime. I managed to persuade my folks to let me get both (and Double Dealer too). Best holiday ever. ;-)
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Post by The Huff on Sept 30, 2018 2:53:16 GMT
It would be great if these two tie!
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