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Post by Philip Ayres on Feb 26, 2023 18:07:09 GMT
See my spoiler a few posts up
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Post by Toph on Feb 26, 2023 18:16:04 GMT
Yeah, that's the reasoning STO gave for suddenly using Discovery ships in the 25th century, and the fan reasoning behind the DS9 Frankenfleet seen during the Dominion War. Given they have people in their 30s playing highschoolers all the time, someone in their 30s playing a twenty-something isn't all that implausible to me.
I don't exactly bite that this is Picard's son, yet. As far as we know, Beverly used that to give him the push he needed to save him. |
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Post by Bogatan on Feb 26, 2023 19:07:19 GMT
I dont know if its common. With actors that old playing teenagers or early 20s its usually because they have been in the role for a while. Or they have been so type cast as the teenager they still get cast in the roles loooooooooong after they should have stopped.
But we'll see.
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Post by The Doctor on Feb 26, 2023 19:28:52 GMT
It would be very amusing if this new chap was actually related to...SHINZON OF REMUS!!!
-Ralph
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Feb 26, 2023 20:24:49 GMT
This is Star Trek. Characters encounter space warps and temporal anomalies and relativistic incursions that prematurely age, de-age, evolve or de-evolve them all the time. It should be more surprising when characters manage to age at the correct rate.
Martin
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Post by Bogatan on Feb 26, 2023 20:45:55 GMT
Spoiler
Picard has always been 20 years older than Stewart so Jack should really still be a foetus. |
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Post by Toph on Feb 28, 2023 4:50:06 GMT
The one thing I really wish could be a thing, is I wish Andreas Katsulas was still around to reprise Tomalok.
I wish that either they had become old friends, or were Grumpy Old Men neighbors, complete with an agreed upon Neutral Zone between their two properties.
Either way is great.
Riker: "Wait... You live next door to Tomalok?"
Picard: "No, he lives next door to me! I swear he moved in just to piss me off."
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 3, 2023 22:20:41 GMT
3.3 watched. That was...that was bloody excellent. Stewart hasn't been this good since First Contact and at last it feels like he is actually back as Picard.
-Ralph
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Mar 3, 2023 23:22:45 GMT
Aye it's been good.
Although a few more lights on the bridge wouldn't go amiss.
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 3, 2023 23:49:59 GMT
That is my only quibble.
-Ralph
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Post by Toph on Mar 4, 2023 2:53:24 GMT
So they don't have Odo "exploring beyond the rim" because Renee passed on. And he still has a presence.
Also, Changeling Separatists are the villains. Nice. The Dominion War ended just a little too cleanly, for me.
A fascist domineering race with a superiority complex that would make Trump envious and a made-to-order army powerful enough that the combined might of the federation, klingons, and romulans together barely defeated (and that was only because of the cardassian insurrection), never seemed like the type who'd not come back for another go. |
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Post by Stomski on Mar 4, 2023 8:34:40 GMT
The best bit in the series so far is when he wishes the lady good luck in her future endeavours and then they all go to the pub.
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Post by Llama God on Mar 4, 2023 9:46:20 GMT
It... was okay.
Although it is starting to get a little "all of starfleet is crap apart from your main heroes". I mean Shaw had a point, for sure. But the doctor turning Crusher away and then Crusher being the only one who could spot internal bleeding... yeah. Although it did end with a nice clash between Riker and Picard, so they're not infallible, at least. We'll see if that lasts past the cliffhanger, though.
I do like it being Changelings behind it - they're certainly a race that could benefit from some more exploration post-war. I just don't know if we're going to get it, given the series' previous form with sticking to one idea at a time, and especially with the other antagonists that we know are coming.
The other big thing for me as that we're still in a stand-off with Vadic, which is where we left things at the end of episode one, so it doesn't feel like there's been a lot of progress. Some character stuff, sure, but it doesn't feel like we've actually had three episodes' worth of content.
And I just can't get over those terrible de-aging effects in the opening flashback. That was... ill advised on a non-Disney TV budget.
On the plus side, Worf. And I like the direction he's going in. Jadzia would be proud. And he makes a good double act with Raffi, so I'm happy to see more of them.
In all, we're not quite in season 2 territory yet, but there is a worry that the Starboard EPS conduits might be starting to develop a leak...
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Post by Jim on Mar 6, 2023 15:41:32 GMT
Still enjoying it! Looking forward to new episodes rather than approaching them with a feeling of duty and dread. It's by no means perfect, but it's entertaining.
I had the same feeling about the incompetent doctor, but then found myself wondering if she might be the changeling (or was at that moment, at least?) and therefore wanting Shaw to die.
Speaking of which, I don't want Shaw to die! There's a good potential redemption arc in there and I like the actor.
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Post by Toph on Mar 6, 2023 18:31:32 GMT
Redemption might be a little much. He hasn't done anything wrong, or wanted anything but 100% survival for his crew and ship. The only things expendable by his reasoning were the three rogue elements (jack, picard, and riker. And in that order, no less).
In fact, in this scenario he's been the only one who's been completely in the right.
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 6, 2023 19:09:28 GMT
Still enjoying it! Looking forward to new episodes rather than approaching them with a feeling of duty and dread. It's by no means perfect, but it's entertaining.
I had the same feeling about the incompetent doctor, but then found myself wondering if she might be the changeling (or was at that moment, at least?) and therefore wanting Shaw to die.
Speaking of which, I don't want Shaw to die! There's a good potential redemption arc in there and I like the actor.
Yup. I am actually looking forward to episodes this season. -Ralph |
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Post by Toph on Mar 10, 2023 9:17:14 GMT
Captain Asshat proves to be a very interesting character.
Which is more important than being likeable (which I think he is becoming, helped by his actor having good charisma).
I appreciate that he acknowledges that he's an asshat. |
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Post by Jim on Mar 10, 2023 22:43:24 GMT
4 for 4 so far for me! Still highly enjoyable.
This episode makes me want to reiterate how much I hope they don't kill off Shaw! His character is shaping up nicely and he's very watchable. I could go for a Titan show as things stand.
Recent Trek has a habit of wasting good characters though, so I will have to keep my fingers crossed.
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 10, 2023 23:29:28 GMT
4 for 4 here. I think...this season will be good...
-Ralph
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Mar 11, 2023 1:00:14 GMT
Agreed, another banger of an episode.
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Post by Llama God on Mar 11, 2023 9:26:13 GMT
Ehhhh...
It wasn't bad. But it wasn't great, either. Certainly still feeling better about season 3 of Picard at this point than I was season 4. The cast are all putting in a decent shift, and I'm still liking Shaw. Sure, the "I faced you at Wolf 359" thing has been done before, but on the other hand that's probably fairly realistic - Starfleet right now is going to be full of officers traumatised by that conflict or the Dominion War. So makes sense there's another. And I do hope they don't kill him off just so that they can give the ship back to Riker full time. (Although I still cannot square this being the same Titan that Riker captained, especially with those comments about the warp nacelles - they look nothing like the Luna class' nacelles...)
I think mostly for me the issue is that it's taken them three episodes to get out of the nebula, and whilst stuff has certainly been happening, I don't think it needed three episodes to do that. I can easily see the last three as being a single episode of TNG back in the day. And whilst I don't mind slow-burn TV either, for me it didn't seem to fit the mood, since they were still also trying to get a lot of action in there too. So a bit of a mis-mash, really.
But not terrible either. And I'm curious to see if they'll sustain it, or whether the nacelle pylons'll come off completely when they introduce the other two guest star bad guys we know are coming. I remain... concerned.
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 11, 2023 9:45:13 GMT
I actually feel I am watching a series about Picard this time, rather than a show about a character called "Picard", played by a strangely similar actor. Stewart really bringing his A-game at last! This now feels like the same character from TNG and the films.
-Ralph
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Post by Llama God on Mar 11, 2023 10:02:36 GMT
Yes, there is at least that to it.
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Post by Toph on Mar 11, 2023 17:52:26 GMT
Oh yeah. I absolutely believe this was written as the Titan, but someone wanted to push the "Neo Constitution-Class" nonsense, thus screwing up continuity.
I mean we can't even pretend anymore that they refitted the Titan into a completely different class (which isn't a thing), with comments Shaw made.
The only alternatives left is Luna Titan was destroyed 20 years ago, just after Riker got it, and also making Lower Decks happen just after Nemesis.
Or that the Titan was never Luna Class, effectively de-canonizing Lower Decks, and that someone believes an -A suffix gets added to refitted ships.
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Post by Bogatan on Mar 11, 2023 20:51:35 GMT
Only the interior of the nacelle or components needs to be old. So if anything that clarifies it is rikers titan. Or at least parts.
And rikers titan is one of the models in the observation room so we know lower decks titan is confirmed live action canon.
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 11, 2023 22:47:44 GMT
The TMP Enterprise was the same one from TOS/TAS just stripped down and rebuilt. A similar procedure was probably done on the Titan. Perhaps in the time since, Starfleet has deemed a rebuild over x-% gets a new suffix.
Discovery was given the 'A' suffix when refitted in the 32nd century though that may have been part of a way to pretend it was a brand new ship.
Personally, I would prefer it if suffixes were only given to 100% new builds, but hey ho.
I am still confused though if the Stargazer in s2 was a new ship or Picard's old one refitted.
-Ralph
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 11, 2023 22:49:05 GMT
And rikers titan is one of the models in the observation room so we know lower decks titan is confirmed live action canon. As LD decks is an official Trek show, I just presume events in it are as much part of the overall continuity as any of the other shows. -Ralph |
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Post by Bogatan on Mar 11, 2023 22:53:37 GMT
Oh it is but as with certain fans who insist all the current shows are really kelvinverse shows, some insist it's only a cartoon so doesn't count.
They gonna be so mad when Peanut Hamper shows up in Picard.*
*Peanut Hamper will, sadly, not show up in Picard.
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 11, 2023 23:02:27 GMT
As someone who banged on for years about TAS, Animated Trek absolutely counts. I stopped watching LD during s1 as it wasn't my cup of tea, but I don't deny that it exists.
Prodigy is superb. When folk campaign for Janeway to return...well, she already has.
-Ralph
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Post by Bogatan on Mar 11, 2023 23:41:58 GMT
It's possible I have already watched LDS season 1 more than any other series of trek. And would really love to see an appearance in Picard, but I think I'll just have to cope with SNWs crossover.
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