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Post by Pinwig on Jul 25, 2019 20:08:01 GMT
But surely Action Masters are the one true everything!?
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Post by Shockprowl on Jul 25, 2019 21:51:49 GMT
SILENCE! *Slap!*
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Post by Pinwig on Jul 25, 2019 21:53:37 GMT
Ooh you beast!
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jul 25, 2019 22:19:20 GMT
I wasn't aware that Action Force was called G.I. Joe in America at the time. I bought Action Force Monthly, which I now know contained the UK AF material (known in America as G.I. Joe European Missions), and I read the TFUK backup strip, which I now know contained the US G.I. Joe material but with every reference to Joes replaced by AF. And I preferred the TFUK backup to the AF Monthly stories. I liked the artwork style better and I liked that it was more of a continuous ongoing story rather than lots of short standalone stories. And then for some reason I don't understand, they decided to rebrand AF as G.I. Joe: The Action Force and did that unconvincing mini-comic that made out that they were two separate organisations, G.I. Joe and Action Force, being merged into one, which was complete and utter rubbish as all the characters had been in a single organisation in the TFUK backup strips up until that point. Now all the stories I own are G.I. Joe because IDW reprinted them in their American form. Except for 'Ancient Relics' where it's called Action Force.  Martin |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jul 25, 2019 22:26:57 GMT
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 26, 2019 7:02:07 GMT
I stand with Martin.
-Ralph
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jul 26, 2019 7:05:38 GMT
No you don't. I said I preferred the TFUK backup strip (i.e. US stories) to the UK-originated material. Martin |
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 26, 2019 8:08:58 GMT
But you agree that Action Force exists! Therefore, Flint is from England and Wild Bill is from Hull.
-Ralph
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jul 26, 2019 18:09:36 GMT
But you agree that Action Force exists! Therefore, Flint is from England and Wild Bill is from Hull. But before they were from England, they were from America. And in the Action Force stories in TFUK they were clearly primarily all based in the Pit in America, under General Hawk. I was pleased to get hold of all the earlier US G.I. Joe stories eventually that were never Action-Forced, to see how they got to the state of play we found them in when the stories started being printed in the UK. Some of those earlier issues were great, though they were never AFed. Martin |
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Post by Shockprowl on Jul 26, 2019 18:18:58 GMT
You know, the more I think about it, the more I'm surprised at the lack of, errrrrr UNCENSORED UNAPOLOGETIC UNSWERVING AGAINST-ALL-THE-ODDS NEVER DIE UK IS BEST SCREW G.I. JOE, attitude. I thought this group of people, Texans excluded, would be EXCLUSIVE UK origin Flint Action Force supporters....
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Post by blueshift on Jul 26, 2019 18:20:01 GMT
You know, the more I think about it, the more I'm surprised at the lack of, errrrrr UNCENSORED UNAPOLOGETIC UNSWERVING AGAINST-ALL-THE-ODDS NEVER DIE UK IS BEST SCREW G.I. JOE, attitude. I thought this group of people, Texans excluded, would be EXCLUSIVE UK origin Flint Action Force supporters.... I am, dont worry Shockers. I'm not a TRAITOR like these clearly Cobra agents |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jul 26, 2019 18:23:20 GMT
Isn't the one true Action Force, Action Master Force? Blaster, Mainframe, Rumbler, Shockwave and Windmill were the names of both Action Masters and G.I. Joe figures. Martin |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jul 26, 2019 18:26:05 GMT
You know, the more I think about it, the more I'm surprised at the lack of, errrrrr UNCENSORED UNAPOLOGETIC UNSWERVING AGAINST-ALL-THE-ODDS NEVER DIE UK IS BEST SCREW G.I. JOE, attitude. I thought this group of people, Texans excluded, would be EXCLUSIVE UK origin Flint Action Force supporters.... If the UK is so great, why does it need to nick American characters like Flint and claim them as British rather than invent its own original British characters? Doesn't it show a lack of security not to be able to leave Americans as Americans? Martin |
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Post by blueshift on Jul 26, 2019 18:29:25 GMT
We need a gi joe or acion force poll
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jul 26, 2019 18:30:31 GMT
We really don't. But I expect one is inevitable.
Martin
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 26, 2019 18:32:21 GMT
ACTION FORCE!
-Ralph
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 26, 2019 18:33:52 GMT
To the polls!
-Ralph
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 26, 2019 18:34:29 GMT
Vote!
-Ralph
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jul 26, 2019 18:40:24 GMT
G.I. Joe, because it includes all the early stories before the ones that got Action Forced, and it includes the Order of Battle (equivalent of Transformers Universe), and it includes two silly but entertaining live-action movies, which until very recently were better than any of the TF movies. And it's available in trades.
Martin
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Post by blueshift on Jul 26, 2019 18:45:22 GMT
As a kid I liked Action Force but when it changed to GI Joe I hated it because it was all "this is for Americans not YOU" which made me feel really bad |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jul 26, 2019 18:46:04 GMT
Mind you, Battle Action Force had the Roboskull.
Martin
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 26, 2019 19:17:47 GMT
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Post by blueshift on Jul 26, 2019 19:20:01 GMT
I managed to find one of my american GI Joe loving friends the issue of Battle Action Force where Baron Ironblood becomes Cobra Commander!
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jul 26, 2019 19:22:51 GMT
Training montage!
Chase scene!
Ninja fight!
Crazy cliff ninjas!
Bruce Willis!
Martin
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 26, 2019 19:33:26 GMT
The problem here with which comic is better is directly inherited from the toyline, which is where the changes to the US filecards, mainly the places of birth, take place. Whether this is to maintain continuity with Action Force's previous multinational identity or because, probably rightly, that all US line would retail toxic - as it proved for the 2002 relaunch, we don't know. The problem comes when Marvel UK get the licence in 87, probably because Marvel US have the GI Joe licence. Marvel UK want to reprint the US stuff, following the Transformers model, but there's basic differences with the source material there and the identities being presented on the action figure cards. Marvel UK are also hamstrung that the material they want to reprint doesn't really contain the 1987 Action Force figures. A quick glance at what's in what issue tmukhub.proboards.com/post/161526/thread reveals they're starting by reprinting material from the regular GI Joe relating more closely to the characters in the previous Action Force line. In fact the best intro to the 1987 AF cast had already been used by Transformers..... and that features Dr Mindbender and the Bats, which wouldn't be due out for another year. It's a big big mess |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jul 26, 2019 19:45:25 GMT
It's a shame, though. I mean, Robin Hood and James Bond aren't edited to make them American characters (even if Robin is sometimes played with an American accent), and American superheroes do well enough over here without us pretending that they're actually English. And they all do well outside the west too.
Martin
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 26, 2019 19:51:02 GMT
G.I. Joe, because it includes all the early stories before the ones that got Action Forced, and it includes the Order of Battle (equivalent of Transformers Universe), and it includes two silly but entertaining live-action movies, which until very recently were better than any of the TF movies. And it's available in trades. Martin No, Martin, no! This is the comics board. You cannot enter the movies as evidence. -Ralph |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jul 26, 2019 19:53:25 GMT
One good thing about G.I. Joe was that although the heroes were predominantly Americans, so were the Cobra terrorist bad guys. Cobra Commander was a white North American Vietnam veteran. Destro is Scottish, Major Bludd Australian, but they were still westerners. And the Asian ninjas were a mix of hero and villain. So there was no racist/anti-foreigner slant to the good-guy/bad-guy set-up. Which was nice.
It wasn't Team America: World Police.
Martin
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Post by Shockprowl on Jul 26, 2019 20:10:26 GMT
You know, the more I think about it, the more I'm surprised at the lack of, errrrrr UNCENSORED UNAPOLOGETIC UNSWERVING AGAINST-ALL-THE-ODDS NEVER DIE UK IS BEST SCREW G.I. JOE, attitude. I thought this group of people, Texans excluded, would be EXCLUSIVE UK origin Flint Action Force supporters.... If the UK is so great, why does it need to nick American characters like Flint and claim them as British rather than invent its own original British characters? Doesn't it show a lack of security not to be able to leave Americans as Americans? Martin No, Martin! Oh my actual Godfathers, no! Don't you see?!?! The British had these American characters/toy-line thrown at them. But Hasbro UK had the necessity or, perhaps, the wisdom, to REMARKET these characters with a EUROPEAN/WORLD twist! It's genius! It's appreciated! It's appropriate! It wasn't the case that the UK couldn't think up it's own characters, it's the fact that the UK HAD to TAKE ON these American characters and reinvent them. And I doing so created something amazing! It birthed an entire new concept of the MULTI-NATIONAL team! And an entire new fiction! You had Brits, Americans, Germans, French, Argentinians, Chinese, Hull-people... AN ACTION FORCE!!!! |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jul 26, 2019 20:20:08 GMT
This is the comics board. You cannot enter the movies as evidence. Movies that acknowledge the comics they are based on in ways that I wish Transformers did. The dialogue-free crazy cliff ninja scene in Retaliation is inspired by the comics 'Silent Interlude' and 'Hush Job'. Where's the Bob Budiansky featurette on the live-action TF DVDs? Martin |
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