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Post by The Huff on Oct 4, 2019 13:24:52 GMT
It's definitely Zarak. I think they are going for small human sized Lord Zarak (as in Marvel/Sunbow) but also a larger Transformer sized robot Zarak (or Scorponok) like in the Japanese Headmasters series.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Oct 4, 2019 22:16:19 GMT
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Post by Toph on Oct 4, 2019 23:06:14 GMT
Zarak>MegaZarak>Scorponok
Really disappointing they didn't do the Fasttrack triplechanger
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Post by R0B0_G0D on Oct 5, 2019 7:01:42 GMT
Zarak>MegaZarak>Scorponok Really disappointing they didn't do the Fasttrack triplechanger I wouldn't give up just yet: it's exceedingly likely Fasttrack will be a separate-release Weaponizer a la Cog/Brunt/Six-gun. |
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Post by Llama God on Oct 5, 2019 10:10:53 GMT
Maybe his city mode will look more like a city? That could count as the 'earth mode'? *looks at the existing city bots* Yeeeeeeeeaaaaahhhh... ;-) Anyway, they won't deviate *that* much from the Sunbow animation model. The base mode will probably look a lot like the original. It'll just miss the launching-ramp feature. Because who wants play features? (Me. I do.) But, I mean, there's no way I'm not getting this. Even though my Titan collection is becoming less practical over time... |
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Post by Shockprowl on Oct 5, 2019 11:30:06 GMT
I've realised, that there would've been more chance of Pinwig pressuring me into getting a Commander class Scorponok, than the Commander class Jetfire. Although Scorpy is no way on my List, a nasty looking large scorpion dude would have been fun. He's quite unique in Transformers, in form and character.
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Post by Pinwig on Oct 5, 2019 11:43:15 GMT
WHAT.
You're buying Scorponok. Of course you are. There's no debate.
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Post by Shockprowl on Oct 5, 2019 11:47:27 GMT
At Titan scale?!?!
No chance.
Reason 1: Got/soon will have two Titans in my collection, the two I've wanted from day one, Devastator and OMEGA SUPREME.
Reason 2: MRS SHOCKPROWL!!!
Reason 3: Orelly men. And my car died last week... *Sobs*
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Post by Pinwig on Oct 5, 2019 12:21:53 GMT
You don't need a car! You've got an ambulance!
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Post by Shockprowl on Oct 5, 2019 13:58:40 GMT
Yeah but I can't take it home with me!
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Post by Pinwig on Oct 5, 2019 14:03:34 GMT
WHAT.
There's a guy a few doors down from me who I think must be a paramedic because he turns up in his ambulance all the time and parks it in his drive. It was here about an hour ago. I used to think there was an incredible rate of serious illness at the other end of my close until I realised he was just turning up to get his sandwiches.
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Post by The Huff on Oct 5, 2019 14:11:53 GMT
Thus may be the first Titan I buy.
As long as he has Marvel/Sunbow face and not small head in bigger helmet like the orifinal toy/Headmasters.
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Post by Toph on Oct 5, 2019 15:24:27 GMT
Zarak>MegaZarak>Scorponok Really disappointing they didn't do the Fasttrack triplechanger I wouldn't give up just yet: it's exceedingly likely Fasttrack will be a separate-release Weaponizer a la Cog/Brunt/Six-gun. I would have preferred it be his head. If Scorponok has to be ruined by being a titan (HOWS HE GONNA LOOK WITH TR OPTIMUS? RIDICULOUS, THATS HOW), then Fasttrack should at least be his head. |
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Post by Pinwig on Oct 5, 2019 15:34:07 GMT
That was always going to be the problem with no solution with this one. Leader size to match PM Op, Commander to match, err, no one, or Titan to match Fort Max.
I like this solution. On reflection, Leader would have been a good robot but terrible base, Commander would be too big to work with the other CHUG figures unless they redid Max too and that seems unlikely to me, Titan means another solid pairing at that scale for display purposes, and obviously it's Sunbow.
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Post by Toph on Oct 5, 2019 19:03:53 GMT
Commander would likely have been a head or two taller than Optimus, when you factor in most of his mass to be tail, claws, beast legs and such.
Which i think is a good size difference for those two.
Marvel was far from consistent in their sizes.
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Post by Llama God on Oct 6, 2019 10:47:07 GMT
Whilst it's disappointing we won't be able to do any Marvel scene re-enactments, it does mean that Fort Max and Scorpy can now finally face off properly, without either of them looking too ridiculous. And it's going to be a giant robot scorpion, which is just going to be cool.
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Post by Toph on Oct 7, 2019 5:00:58 GMT
Commander would likely have been a head or two taller than Optimus, when you factor in most of his mass to be tail, claws, beast legs and such. Which i think is a good size difference for those two. Marvel was far from consistent in their sizes. So compairing Jetfire with Dai Atlas, TR leaders are about two heads shorter than Jetfire. If I'm correct that a commander Scorponok would likely be about a head shorter (at least) than Jetfire, it would make him a head taller than TR PMOP. Which I thibk is a great size. Marvel is hardly consistent in sizes, so you gotta go with what feels best for the character. Maybe given how little Scorp has ever been represented as citybot sized, he'll be a higher priority for a more correct sized toy in the future. |
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Post by Benn on Oct 7, 2019 6:32:30 GMT
I get why Hasbro are doing Titans. They're big imnpressive pieces, and a callback to the old toys that people will remember as the big 'uns. But outside of the Prime Wars cartoon, Max han't ever been shown as a city since that brief five minutes in The Rebirth, and Scorponok even less so. You could argue that kids of today are going to know Scorponok more from his stint in Energon than G1.
I get that G1 is the aim, and while I understand that, I do think that sometimes the folks at Hasbro should sometimes take a look at what in G1 worked better than the cartoon. Marvel, Dreamwave, IDW, the games and in none of them has anyone other than Metroplex ever worked as a citybot.
Hopefully Scorponok will be the last of them, and Hasbro will give us these characters as toys you can actually play with.
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Post by blueshift on Oct 7, 2019 8:31:09 GMT
I get why Hasbro are doing Titans. They're big imnpressive pieces, and a callback to the old toys that people will remember as the big 'uns. But outside of the Prime Wars cartoon, Max han't ever been shown as a city since that brief five minutes in The Rebirth, and Scorponok even less so. You could argue that kids of today are going to know Scorponok more from his stint in Energon than G1. I get that G1 is the aim, and while I understand that, I do think that sometimes the folks at Hasbro should sometimes take a look at what in G1 worked better than the cartoon. Marvel, Dreamwave, IDW, the games and in none of them has anyone other than Metroplex ever worked as a citybot. Hopefully Scorponok will be the last of them, and Hasbro will give us these characters as toys you can actually play with. I agree, though saying that Titans Return Fort Max turns into a city (or anything) is really generous  |
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Post by Toph on Oct 7, 2019 8:38:37 GMT
Fort Max is also a prime Commander candidate.
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Post by R0B0_G0D on Oct 7, 2019 9:43:53 GMT
I get why Hasbro are doing Titans. They're big imnpressive pieces, and a callback to the old toys that people will remember as the big 'uns. But outside of the Prime Wars cartoon, Max han't ever been shown as a city since that brief five minutes in The Rebirth, and Scorponok even less so. You could argue that kids of today are going to know Scorponok more from his stint in Energon than G1. I get that G1 is the aim, and while I understand that, I do think that sometimes the folks at Hasbro should sometimes take a look at what in G1 worked better than the cartoon. Marvel, Dreamwave, IDW, the games and in none of them has anyone other than Metroplex ever worked as a citybot. Hopefully Scorponok will be the last of them, and Hasbro will give us these characters as toys you can actually play with. Unfortunately the tendency for Hasbro is to look at the largest demographic of fans which means American which means the G1 Cartoon. IDW gets some love here and there, as do characters from other continuities, but the original cartoon is essentially their Bible, the hallowed text they keep returning to hence why we can get blink-and-miss-em Rainmakers but no UK-coloured Galvatron, who dominated the UK comic for years and helped send off the US one. Scorponok = Rebirth = Titan. Sad, but what can we do? |
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Post by The Doctor on Oct 7, 2019 12:19:06 GMT
I do wonder if Sunbow has the great stanglehold over US fandom that it used to have. Plenty of new and younger fans who didn't grow up with that style of cartoon so it may not mean much to them. Also plenty of folk who came in with the live action movies.
-Ralph
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Post by blueshift on Oct 7, 2019 12:22:32 GMT
I do wonder if Sunbow has the great stanglehold over US fandom that it used to have. Plenty of new and younger fans who didn't grow up with that style of cartoon so it may not mean much to them. Also plenty of folk who came in with the live action movies. -Ralph This is true (and just look at the lack of any outcry for Devcon who about 15 years ago was THE GREATEST TRANSFORMER EVER) But at the same time, for a lot of the new fans, G1 Sunbow is still seen as the default, and a lot of the assumptions of even the younger UK fanbase is that is what everyone had back then. |
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Post by Toph on Oct 7, 2019 15:24:37 GMT
The problem is that it doesn't matter if the fans have outgrown sunbow or not, if the people in charge remain hardliners that believe sunbow is the only version that anyone wants.
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Post by The Huff on Oct 7, 2019 15:53:22 GMT
I'm happy with the Cerebros style Zarak, but how cool would it have been if the head turned into Doublepunch?
But I guess we'll get a Black Zarak retool somewhere down the line.
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Post by Benn on Oct 7, 2019 18:07:27 GMT
I do wonder if Sunbow has the great stanglehold over US fandom that it used to have. Plenty of new and younger fans who didn't grow up with that style of cartoon so it may not mean much to them. Also plenty of folk who came in with the live action movies. -Ralph I think there's almost a danger of G1 becoming the only thing kids know, because that's what keeps getting pushed. Like a circle. The toys are based on G1 Sunbow, so kids buy those, then when they get older they remember the G1 redux toys, so that's what they'll want, and then they'll be making the decisions and won't remember anything but G1 because that's all they had. we've grown up with BW, RID, Unicron Trilogy, so we remember when it wasn't just rehashed legacy characters, but further down the line? Everything from Animated on has been G1 inspired, and that's what... twelve years now? I'm grateful for the new characters that have been bought in, like Lockdown and Strongarm and such, in that time. But they are pretty few and far between. |
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Post by Toph on Oct 7, 2019 18:30:23 GMT
I'm not particularly fond of IDW G1 from All Hail Megatron onward, but I really appreciate that instead of just rehashing familiar beats, they chose to introduce a ton of new characters and concepts into G1 Lore.
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Post by Bogatan on Oct 7, 2019 18:30:29 GMT
Im convinced Scorponok was already half done when it lost the fan vote. Theyve just been waiting for a chance to release it. A base heavy line like ER is as good as its likely to get unless they redid TR.
A leader/commander sized Fort Max is surely then not far off. Followed by Scoponok.
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Post by Toph on Oct 7, 2019 18:34:20 GMT
I do think both Max and Scorp work better in a micromaster focused line as commanders, meant for them, than as Titans meant for (no longer existent) legends.
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Post by Llama God on Oct 8, 2019 6:29:43 GMT
The problem is that it doesn't matter if the fans have outgrown sunbow or not, if the people in charge remain hardliners that believe sunbow is the only version that anyone wants. Oh gods, it's like Brexit but with toys... |
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