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Post by Philip Ayres on Dec 4, 2019 7:54:38 GMT
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 23, 2021 18:49:59 GMT
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 23, 2021 18:57:24 GMT
Hmmm. I'll sign up to Disney Plus for a month to see it. Won't be fully vaccinated by then so cinema trip is a no-go.
-Ralph
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Post by Pinwig on Mar 23, 2021 22:22:04 GMT
I'd forgotten we haven't seen that.
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Apr 4, 2021 17:50:58 GMT
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 30, 2021 9:58:31 GMT
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 30, 2021 12:02:00 GMT
Comes across as bit of an arse.
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 30, 2021 12:50:26 GMT
I think she has something of a point: her contract was tied into box office receipts.
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 30, 2021 13:32:07 GMT
I have zero sympathy for a millionaire who has already been paid several million dollars for a film who then throws their toys out the pram because covid means less people go to the cinema so she gets less off the back-end. It's insensitive and childish behaviour at this time. Some people really need to get a sense of perspective when there is a pandemic on.
Disney don't exactly come out of this brilliantly either. A shitshow all round.
-Ralph
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Post by Benn on Jul 30, 2021 13:45:10 GMT
Yeah, I think the main issue is if Disney feel able to screw over as big a name a ScarJo, then how are they treating the people further down the food chain?
So while I do think she's got more than enough money, I hope she's successful.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jul 30, 2021 15:09:14 GMT
I'm supporting her on principle. Of course she has enough money by normal standards (I have no idea whether she uses it for good or evil so can't judge), but I'm also sure that as an actress she's underpaid compared to her equivalent male peers, whose solo movies were released in times of plenty when no-one was avoiding cinemas and streaming came later, and whose characters hadn't been killed off so could look forward to further sequels. If people watch her one and only Black Widow film first via streaming rather than in the cinema, she should get her cut of that action - and so should everyone else lower down the food chain.
But I'm biased anyway as I'm against simultaneous cinema and on-line release of films made for the big screen. Not all platforms need to get things at the same time. I have no problem waiting for things that were made for streaming like The Mandalorian, Wandavision and Loki (which I'm really looking forward to seeing one day) to come out later on a medium I use, after streaming has made all the money it can from it, and people who use streaming should get to see those things before people who don't. But when something is made for cinema, the small screen should be made to be patient and wait a bit.
Martin
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Post by Bogatan on Jul 30, 2021 16:12:13 GMT
Contracts a contract, if Disney are screwing her she has every right to this action and their response is effing ridiculous.
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 30, 2021 20:17:32 GMT
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Post by primenova on Aug 1, 2021 21:15:35 GMT
I watched it for free on friday (codes from the sun) disney are know to go round ripping off other peoples stories & passing them off has their own. You hear people working for them saying its like being under the nazis, you'd expect to see Herr Otto Flick strolling around. The film was good
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Post by Philip Ayres on Aug 1, 2021 21:26:55 GMT
Would you like to explain what they've ripped off here?
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Post by primenova on Aug 3, 2021 10:20:52 GMT
d23.com/disney-films-that-started-out-as-childrens-books/It says "Sometimes these stories stay true to their original telling and other times Disney reinvents characters" but Aladdin isn't listed. When that came out I saw someone stating that the original book was the fake & the disney one was the original real story.
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Post by Bogatan on Aug 3, 2021 11:28:23 GMT
Errrr......
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Post by Philip Ayres on Aug 3, 2021 12:06:17 GMT
d23.com/disney-films-that-started-out-as-childrens-books/It says "Sometimes these stories stay true to their original telling and other times Disney reinvents characters" but Aladdin isn't listed. When that came out I saw someone stating that the original book was the fake & the disney one was the original real story. And that relates to the Black Widow film how? |
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Post by primenova on Aug 3, 2021 23:42:24 GMT
This is just general disney company - not just looking at Marvel films. Didn't Robin Williams fall out with them for Aladdin too? But wasn't that about him doing his own script rather than payments from cinemas?
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Post by The Doctor on Aug 20, 2021 8:46:37 GMT
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Post by Pinwig on Dec 30, 2021 23:45:40 GMT
Finally got to watch this tonight. Very enjoyable. Felt a little James Bondish to me, no bad thing. The awkward family scenes were very good and David Harbour worked well as the light relief. Ray Winston wasn't too convincing, but he didn't need to be really.
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 30, 2021 23:49:07 GMT
I liked the pre-title sequence and the titles montage itself. Unfortunately, a completely different film started after the titles.
-Ralph
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 30, 2021 23:50:38 GMT
Remember when Ray 'Space Precinct' Winston was a villain that one time in 'One Foot in the Grave'? He could act then.
-Ralph
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Post by Toph on Dec 31, 2021 0:00:55 GMT
I finally saw the movie the other night. I've never particularly cared for Black Widow as a character, and didn't have terribly high hopes for it. But I was pleasantly surprised. This is easily one of my favorites. But I think Florence Pogh and David Harbour had a lot to do with it. Contracts a contract, if Disney are screwing her she has every right to this action and their response is effing ridiculous. Therecs also the fact that if they can get away with doing this to someone with her level of power in the industry, they absolutely will do this to someone for whom trying to fight back would end their career. WB has been massively guilty of this too, and have been under litigation from other actors, but have kept it largely under the table. While I know she wants the money she's due and deserves, I think she's mindful of the fact that she's in a unique position to make sure this doesn't happen to others. |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Dec 31, 2021 7:28:33 GMT
I liked Spider-Man: No Way Home and Black Widow more than Shang-Chi and Eternals. I think part of this was because the chemistry between the lead characters was funnier and more natural in SM and BW. I think another part of it is I'm at a point with the MCU where I want to see existing characters and the people and institutions around them fleshed out rather than be bombarded with whole new swathes of lead characters and super-beings introduced out of nowhere for no reason, adding to an already very cluttered roster.
Martin
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Post by Pinwig on Dec 31, 2021 10:20:22 GMT
I like the interaction between the Disney shows and the films too, the way they pick up threads and expand on them Wandavision was great because of that. I'm assuming with Black Widow that Spoiler
The post credits bit means the new Black Widow shows up in the new Hawkeye TV series, giving me a reason to watch that. |
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Post by Bogatan on Dec 31, 2021 13:58:43 GMT
That would be a commonly held assumption.
Hawkeye has a little nod to Spider-man No Way Home and and NWH has a little Hawkeye nod too.
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 31, 2021 18:39:24 GMT
I liked it when the MCU was just movies. I can't be arsed with working out which TV shows fit when, so I can follow what is going on. They're making the sane mistake that has been done in comics...
-Ralph
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Post by primenova on Dec 31, 2021 23:05:06 GMT
At least they are now including the tv series unlike with the ignore AOS. The world has been destroyed but not in the films. But these new series have the core Movie stars - Vision/Hawkeye/Loki
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Post by Toph on Jan 1, 2022 1:01:55 GMT
Also while AoS and the netflix shows built up the world (for all the good that did when they forced AoS to conform to the movies while at the same time publicly stating AoS isn't canon), the new shows are building up the characters.
I have not seen any of then because I've not had wifi access since the pandemic, but some of these characters, it's unlikely we'd ever see them again (Yelena), or would barely qualify as cameos in future movies (Vision, Hawkeye).
I mean they did nothing meaningful with Vision or Scarlet Witch from the time they introduced them, to when they killed Vision off.
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