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Post by Shockprowl on Jun 11, 2020 7:09:38 GMT
Squeezing fat bit is more likely to cause an incident at one or both eds of a baby. If Shockprowl came on the TMUK Zoom call he could see the babies.... Squeezing the FAT BITS is worth the risk... And I come... Soon....
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Jun 11, 2020 7:13:42 GMT
Hospital visit this morning to investigate whether Naomi has tongue tie or not. Several things point to yes but nobody has properly inspected her yet. Guess who decided to be up most of the night and keep her parents up with her? Guess who will now need a feed and a change just as she is meant to be in her appointment??
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Jun 11, 2020 7:14:20 GMT
Squeezing fat bit is more likely to cause an incident at one or both eds of a baby. If Shockprowl came on the TMUK Zoom call he could see the babies.... Squeezing the FAT BITS is worth the risk... And I come... Soon.... I'm not sure if Naomi believes you or not.
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Post by Shockprowl on Jun 11, 2020 7:33:47 GMT
I won't let her down.
You know, all this baby talk is making me quite emotional. My own tiny newborn babies have their birthdays next week.
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Post by Llama God on Jun 11, 2020 9:40:58 GMT
Squeezing fat bit is more likely to cause an incident at one or both eds of a baby. If Shockprowl came on the TMUK Zoom call he could see the babies.... He could. We may well both be there again this Saturday. And yeah, I think one of the reasons that the Scraplet's taking in so much food now is because that warm spell happened when he came back from hospital, and I think he was just drinking a lot to stay hyrdated. Now he's used to a certain level of intake, and, well...
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Post by Llama God on Jun 11, 2020 9:43:05 GMT
Hospital visit this morning to investigate whether Naomi has tongue tie or not. Several things point to yes but nobody has properly inspected her yet. Guess who decided to be up most of the night and keep her parents up with her? Guess who will now need a feed and a change just as she is meant to be in her appointment?? Will be interested to hear how you get on. I know that Glasgow area doesn't take tongue-tied-ness that seriously as opposed to other parts of the country, and they view it as a distraction from other issues. Parts of England, though, I know are happy to snip as soon as possible. So I'll be interested to hear what happens with Naomi. What was it that made you think she's tongue tied? Is she failing to latch on properly? Because I know with friends who had an issue with that it was the tongue being tied that causes the issue. Scraplet's latching on properly, but when he's crying there's not a lot of tongue motion, so I don't know whether he might be a little tied, but not tied enough to cause any actual problems...
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Jul 12, 2020 18:01:06 GMT
Mrs M and Naomi are currently in A&E getting checked over. Naomi stopped moving one of her legs in the night and it is floppy...
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Post by Pinwig on Jul 12, 2020 18:03:12 GMT
Thoughts with you, chum.
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Jul 12, 2020 18:05:04 GMT
Hospital visit this morning to investigate whether Naomi has tongue tie or not. Several things point to yes but nobody has properly inspected her yet. Guess who decided to be up most of the night and keep her parents up with her? Guess who will now need a feed and a change just as she is meant to be in her appointment?? Will be interested to hear how you get on. I know that Glasgow area doesn't take tongue-tied-ness that seriously as opposed to other parts of the country, and they view it as a distraction from other issues. Parts of England, though, I know are happy to snip as soon as possible. So I'll be interested to hear what happens with Naomi. What was it that made you think she's tongue tied? Is she failing to latch on properly? Because I know with friends who had an issue with that it was the tongue being tied that causes the issue. Scraplet's latching on properly, but when he's crying there's not a lot of tongue motion, so I don't know whether he might be a little tied, but not tied enough to cause any actual problems... She had tongue tie which restricted her tongue movement by about 50% so they snipped it there and then. She sounded a lot less anxious feeding after that. We had to give up on breast feeding in the end as the tongue tie was meaning she would latch on but get nothing which frustrated her no end. By the time it was sorted she was too used to the bottle feeding to go back.
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 12, 2020 18:13:40 GMT
Mrs M and Naomi are currently in A&E getting checked over. Naomi stopped moving one of her legs in the night and it is floppy... I hope they swiftly get to the bottom of it. -Ralph
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Jul 12, 2020 18:16:51 GMT
The lady on the phone said it would probably need an x-ray to see if the leg had dislocated. :/
She is having a hip scan on Friday too anyway.
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Post by Shockprowl on Jul 12, 2020 20:50:47 GMT
It'll be ok. Eldest had frog's legs for ages before they relaxed. She was an undiagnosed breach (little brat), but still, funny hip stuff happens and it will rectify.
The breast feeding is a shame, but it can't be helped. Youngest wasn't tongue tied but still wouldn't latch on, no matter what we did (little brat). Mrs Shocks turned herself into a cow for a few months, expressing. It was hard going but baby got The Good Stuff.
Good job they're pretty.
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Post by Llama God on Jul 12, 2020 22:29:41 GMT
Sorry to hear about the legs, but hope that it can be sorted without too much distress.
As to the tongue tied, we’ve got an appointment to get the Scraplet’s looked at on Friday. He’s currently going on the breast, but comes off to the really easily, which the health visitor suspects is due to the tongue not quite reaching properly, so we’re hoping that’ll help - it’s been difficult to keep going with it at times, and Jo’s often quite sore.
And yeah, we do know people that have had the similar issue that by the time the tie is sorted the baby’s already too used to the bottle. Plenty of people in our antenatal group have stopped breastfeeding now for similar reasons. Much as it’s all “breast is best” during pregnancy, they don’t ever say just how bloody hard and frustrating it can be. As long as the baby’s eating, that’s the important thing.
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Post by Shockprowl on Jul 13, 2020 7:01:51 GMT
Absolutely. We found it really annoying. Yes obviously breast is best, but if, for whatever reason, it doesn't work out- well it's like they make you, and particularly mum, feel like a failure. Passive aggressive make you feel guilty. When nothing's further from the truth. Very annoying, and distressing for mum's, this 'pressure'.
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Jul 13, 2020 9:22:10 GMT
Mrs M was very distressed by her 'failure'. It was not good. I can understand they want to encourage breast is best etc but they really need to rethink their approach.
Naomi had some x-rays (as did mum while holding her still..) and a check over by a doctor. They definitely agree something is wrong but don't know what. As we have a pre-booked ultrasound scan on Friday and she is not in obvious immediate distress we were sent home to monitor her until then. Apparently the US scan is best for revealing what the problem is and with the current crisis there is no point us going in twice and risking exposing ourselves more.
Don't think Naomi enjoyed the experience. She was very upset when they got back to the car and peed all over the x-ray table. Not settled right in the night either with reluctant feeding, crying and needing lots of cuddles from sleepy parents. Fast asleep in her Moses basket now though.
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Post by Llama God on Jul 13, 2020 10:07:37 GMT
That lack of being settled in the night comes and goes. I know that some of the Scraplet's is down to reflux, but there's also the odd growth spurt to throw things off, too. Basically it seems to be that as long as you expect no consistent pattern, you'll be fine... And yeah, Jo was certainly not impressed by the way her breastfeeding was handled in the hospital. If it helps any, she wrote a whole blog about it, here: starlitmemories.wordpress.com/2020/06/24/staying-abreast/
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Jul 14, 2020 22:32:08 GMT
Naomi and Mrs M back in A&E. Naomi having increasing intense and frequent screaming/crying periods which we can't settle her from. They have given her some Calpol for the pain and going to take a proper look at her.
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Jul 14, 2020 22:32:58 GMT
Mrs M has read it and concurs with it.
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Post by Shockprowl on Jul 15, 2020 6:22:45 GMT
It's very sad. And unnecessary. I think Mrs Llama is very courageous. And Mrs M. There just seems to be no kindness or understanding when it doesn't work. The internet is full of similar stories.
I would suggest an official complaint to the hospital, in time when you're ready. It's not to get anyone into trouble or anything, but women need to let them know about things like this, otherwise it never changes. Wether it fall on deaf ears or not I don't know, but they need to be told.
We had similar issues, but kind of the reverse. Sally had loads of milk, but the little monkey wouldn't latch on. There was impatient interaction from two useless midwives, but then, thankfully, coaching from a really good one who turned it around. That's my all it need. Just some genuine patience and kindness.
Some medical professionals these days maintain a real... distance . I'm not sure why, it's certainly an attitude that's alien to me. A fear of failure? I don't know. But it was there 14 years ago, and I'm sorry it's still there now.
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Jul 15, 2020 7:49:36 GMT
That was Joy's experience with midwives at the hospital. We had a really good one up to and including the op. Then her shift ended and we had a string of less helpful ones until very late at night when a very kindly, empathetic one came in and straightened things out.
We have a close family friend who is a community Midwife and we have had visits from some more when Naomi's wasn't gaining weight at the start. They seem very much a different sort of midwife, the sort you need in hospital during a problem.
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Post by Llama God on Jul 15, 2020 8:53:17 GMT
Yeah, it's just baffling that every other midwife and professional we encountered was lovely and supportive, including in the recovery room right after the operation and delivery, but the time when Jo was on her own was when they were at their worst. Which is the absolute worst time for that. Similar to what Shockers says though, this seems to be a long-standing issue in Glasgow. My ex (the reason I moved to Glsagow) always used to speak about the lack of support she had in the hospital after her daughter was born, which had forewarned me a little to be more supportive and assertive... except I couldn't be, because I wasn't allowed to be there with her. All very frustrating. The weird thing though is that the hospital my ex gave birth to her daughter in no longer exists - we were at the (relatively) new hospital, which suggests it really is a systemic issue... Naomi and Mrs M back in A&E. Naomi having increasing intense and frequent screaming/crying periods which we can't settle her from. They have given her some Calpol for the pain and going to take a proper look at her. I do hope they're able to help her.
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Post by Shockprowl on Jul 15, 2020 9:06:36 GMT
Yes it is systemic. I've seen it in my profession, and all other medical and care professions that I have crossed paths with over the years. Some are good, some are awesome, others... less so. It's a shame.
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Post by Shockprowl on Jul 15, 2020 9:07:14 GMT
Naomi and Mrs M back in A&E. Naomi having increasing intense and frequent screaming/crying periods which we can't settle her from. They have given her some Calpol for the pain and going to take a proper look at her. Thinking about you chum.
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Jul 15, 2020 10:41:55 GMT
A possible partial intermittent hip dislocation is suspected but err... we still have to wait for Friday's pre-booked scan to find out for sure. In the meantime we are to keep her in the Calpol which thankfully does seem to be helping and go back in if it becomes bad again. We were back home just after 3am and then up for a feed by 4am.. zzzz.... Both ladies are now asleep upstairs.
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Jul 15, 2020 10:48:51 GMT
Yeah, it's just baffling that every other midwife and professional we encountered was lovely and supportive, including in the recovery room right after the operation and delivery, but the time when Jo was on her own was when they were at their worst. Which is the absolute worst time for that. Similar to what Shockers says though, this seems to be a long-standing issue in Glasgow. My ex (the reason I moved to Glsagow) always used to speak about the lack of support she had in the hospital after her daughter was born, which had forewarned me a little to be more supportive and assertive... except I couldn't be, because I wasn't allowed to be there with her. All very frustrating. The weird thing though is that the hospital my ex gave birth to her daughter in no longer exists - we were at the (relatively) new hospital, which suggests it really is a systemic issue... I dunno... sounds like you are at the Death Star. I hear that space station has bigger problems.. We had the same problem of me not being able to be there and assert influence last night. Mrs M was in a very upset state (we had to get someone else to drive us in) and really needed me with her. Lady at A&E reception didn't even blink both parents had come in with their 6 week year old but then one of her colleagues got very shirty and demanded I leave and frankly started to make a scene before I could even say anything. They were taken straight in ahead of all the many adults who were there so we wouldn't have been in reception for long and the children's A&E upstairs could kindly be described as very sparsely populated so we wouldn't exactly be a major danger to anyone. They were then there for almost five hours without support which was the thing Joy was very worried about. Fortunately the staff turned out to be the brilliant and kind sort.
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 15, 2020 10:55:20 GMT
Yes it is systemic. I've seen it in my profession, and all other medical and care professions that I have crossed paths with over the years. Some are good, some are awesome, others... less so. It's a shame. The same in Social Care. I have come across workers who in no way shape or form should have been allowed near people who require assistance! Also come across some atrocious treatment from some medical professionals over the last five years. I have went from a default position of implicitly trusting doctors etc to implicitly distrusting them. Have been treated too badly by too many. -Ralph
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 15, 2020 10:58:27 GMT
If Naomi has a hip dislocation, hopefully that is something that can be sorted out.
-Ralph
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Jul 17, 2020 16:49:08 GMT
Scan done. Ruled some things out but didn't rule anything in. Hips all ok which is a massive relief. Suspicion is the floppy leg and the pain might be two different but overlapping problems. Telephone consultation with GP this afternoon followed by taking her in in person. GP has done an immediate referral to hospital for orthopaedics to look at her and hopefully a paediatric specialist too. Back there now sitting in the car while Mrs M and Naomi go in.
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Post by Shockprowl on Jul 17, 2020 17:33:11 GMT
Bloody hell I imagine it's tough just sitting in the car M.
They'll figure it out though.
Thinking of you all.
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Jul 17, 2020 20:28:31 GMT
Fingers crossed for you all M.
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