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Post by Philip Ayres on Oct 15, 2020 20:55:47 GMT
These are the numbers used by the car in real life Twitter: https://twitter.com/fireball13z/status/1316830252535087105 So I *COULD* see how they might arrive at 14 by a process of elimination if they wanted something LIKE but not exactly what was used in real life. But MAGA Jazz happened so it does look much more worryingly intentional..... |
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Post by The Doctor on Oct 15, 2020 21:04:07 GMT
There has been another Jazz between POTP and Studio Series: the Cyberverse one and there was no hidden conspiracy with that.
We're seeing patterns that don't exist.
-Ralph
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Post by Pinwig on Oct 15, 2020 21:11:20 GMT
It's weird. I'm like the Doc on this, Jazz should be a big deal but that figure doesn't look much better than the Pottop one to me. This should be exciting, but it oddly isn't. Jazz is one of Prime's chief lieutenants, he needs a bit more oomph than this. More beef. RTS has that.
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Post by Shockprowl on Oct 15, 2020 21:15:47 GMT
JAZZ!!!!
JJJJAAAAAAZZZZZ!!!!!
YES! GET IN THERE!
HE LOOKS SUPERB!
ARE THERE DINOBOTS TOO?
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Post by Jim on Oct 15, 2020 21:34:39 GMT
If you google image search for that specific car (Martini Racing Porsche 935/76) then most of the images do come up with cars with the numbers 1 and 4 on them, and a few 41s (plus a few other numbers, but not many in comparison). I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt that they went for the unused combination of the most popular numbers for the purpose of being close without incurring lawsuits, until someone comes up with more compelling evidence.
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Post by Toph on Oct 15, 2020 21:41:24 GMT
There has been another Jazz between POTP and Studio Series: the Cyberverse one and there was no hidden conspiracy with that. We're seeing patterns that don't exist. -Ralph No one's saying that is definitively what it is. We are saying that it's a big honkin' red flag, after the maga fiasco which was exactly as it seemed. But just because there's reasonable doubt does not mean it's incidental. Which is what coded language relies on. There are other numbers to choose from, if they were simply avoiding copyright infringement. 5, 6, 7, 8, 42, 84, 86. Ill intent or not, I personally feel that double digits is just nor aesthetically pleasing on him, and would just prefer 8. |
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Post by The Huff on Oct 15, 2020 21:41:43 GMT
The 14 is just like the red cross on MP Ratchet. They came up with something that doesn't infringe the copyright. But with a little 'unintended' alteration by the owner, like removing the red squares around what unintentionally looks like a red cross or covering up a certain digit on a number 14...
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Post by Philip Ayres on Oct 15, 2020 22:09:54 GMT
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Oct 15, 2020 22:29:02 GMT
Intentional or not you'd think they'd have learned their lesson about checking decals for possible hidden or misinterpretable meanings.
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Oct 15, 2020 23:14:07 GMT
Absolute nonsense.
There's a world of difference between some asshole sneaking in hidden text in an alien style font and the numbers on the side of the car.
And I can find lots of different meanings assigned to the number 14 with a quick google search, which if they were checking is probably the extent they did, if they even checked.
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Post by Shockprowl on Oct 16, 2020 6:33:45 GMT
Jazz looks INCREDIBLE. A 'Masterpiece'. And that's one box I won't be getting rid of.
When is he out? How easy to find are these 'Studio Series'?
My collection is so nearly complete.
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Post by Llama God on Oct 16, 2020 7:28:19 GMT
On the Jazz door numbers controversy, I'd like to believe that it was just a coincidence. Apparently the numbers 4, 41, and a couple of others are copyrighted stylings so they can't have gone with those, and with G2 Jazz also having the number 1 on his doors then the resultant 14 isn't that surprising. However after the incident with PottoP Jazz - which was clearly what it was - even if it was an accident, the result is still slightly uncomfortable. As with PottoP Jazz, however, there is still the option of altering his decals anyway, which is what we did. And Reprolabels will undoubtedly come out with a set to provide his original livery anyway, so it's something that can be dealt with easily.
And we will, because there's no way we won't be getting that Jazz - he looks great. The big question is whether he can be given his non-animation-model wings. It looks like his doors will, at the very least, be able to flip out from the backpack as part of transformation, so it may be possible to at least have them spread out - albeit in the wrong orientation. The question then is whether or not the doors have any other hinges that would allow them to move into a position that would allow them to look like the toy. I look forward to finding out that the answer is "no", because I usually get these sorts of analyses completely wrong. But heigh ho. Still looks like a great Jazz, though.
The bigger question, then, is: Should we expect any repaints? I know that we've not had a lot of repaints in the Studio Series line, but that's a result of how the Bayverse characters have been designed. And there have been some engineering re-uses, such as WWII 'Ot Rod and Bumblebee. So could we end up seeing G2 Jazz, or Ricochet, or others..?
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Post by Jim on Oct 16, 2020 9:33:44 GMT
The more I think about it the more I think it's innocent. 14 not only works in more than one way as an homage (an unused combination of 4 and 1 which are both the numbers associated with the original racing car, and also the numbers of G1 and G2 Jazz) it's also 8 + 6.
But then we are talking about Studio Series - commonly abbreviate to SS! Hmmmm...
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Post by The Huff on Oct 16, 2020 11:22:26 GMT
8 + 6.
Brilliant!
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Post by Toph on Oct 16, 2020 11:52:54 GMT
The big question is whether he can be given his non-animation-model wings. It looks like his doors will, at the very least, be able to flip out from the backpack as part of transformation, so it may be possible to at least have them spread out - albeit in the wrong orientation. The question then is whether or not the doors have any other hinges that would allow them to move into a position that would allow them to look like the toy. I look forward to finding out that the answer is "no", because I usually get these sorts of analyses completely wrong. But heigh ho. Still looks like a great Jazz, though. I don't think so. Looking at the car, the connecting hinge is at the top of the door, and not the front. Which seems like a massive oversight because... ...whether or not one personally feels Jazz should have door wings or not, they are incorporated into all his repaint options. G2 Jazz and Ricochet/Stepper would look as wrong without them as anything. My personal question is do I skip this one like I'm skipping Warpath, or do I get it and use it for Pretender/Actionmaster Jazz? Also as an aside, word is he may be tiny. People compairing the image that has him with Kup, to pictures that has kup with Hotrod and the alicon, shows that he's about as tall as the alicon. |
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Post by Llama God on Oct 16, 2020 12:26:12 GMT
Also as an aside, word is he may be tiny. People compairing the image that has him with Kup, to pictures that has kup with Hotrod and the alicon, shows that he's about as tall as the alicon. I'm guessing that'll be to get him in scale with Earthrise Prime? Maybe? |
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Post by The Doctor on Oct 16, 2020 12:34:56 GMT
But is SS in scale to itself as well as Kingdom and Earthrise?
-Ralph
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Post by Benn on Oct 16, 2020 13:46:08 GMT
Everything is scaled correctly in regards to reality
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Post by Philip Ayres on Oct 16, 2020 15:02:56 GMT
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Post by Philip Ayres on Oct 16, 2020 15:07:37 GMT
Studio Series 86 reveals. Jazz and Hot Rod we've seen already first |
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Post by Bogatan on Oct 16, 2020 15:07:39 GMT
How is no one mentioning the giant pair of feet sticking out the back?
Is it that after Ironhide and Ratchet these look almost sensible?
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Post by Philip Ayres on Oct 16, 2020 15:09:08 GMT
Kup!
Dismembers on 5mm weaponiser ports
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Post by Philip Ayres on Oct 16, 2020 15:10:27 GMT
Blurr!
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Post by Philip Ayres on Oct 16, 2020 15:12:30 GMT
Scourge
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Post by Philip Ayres on Oct 16, 2020 15:14:44 GMT
Grimlock w Wheelie!
Hallelujah, everything leaked revealed.
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Post by Dezzeh on Oct 16, 2020 15:15:52 GMT
Well these 86 all look good don't they
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Post by Philip Ayres on Oct 16, 2020 15:16:29 GMT
01 Jazz
02 Kup
03 Blurr
04 Hot Rod
05 Scourge
06 Grimlock
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Post by Toph on Oct 17, 2020 0:17:49 GMT
But is SS in scale to itself as well as Kingdom and Earthrise? -Ralph The 86 movie characters are being split between Studio Series and Kingdom. They have to keep consistent scale. It wouldn't do to have Galvatron (kingdom) end up smaller than Jazz (Studio) when they're intended to be part of the same set. And this is a big part of why I keep saying it would all be better served if Beast Wars had placed in Studio Series and they dedicated "WfC3" to 86 movie. |
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Post by Llama God on Oct 17, 2020 8:22:03 GMT
It turned out in the end that Jazz's "14" was down to them needing to change the number, and 14 being the issue number of his original Diaclone toy. So this was most likely just the case of them doing another Spastic or Nexus Maximus - assigning detail to a character without checking first. It's just particularly unfortunate in this case given what happened with the last Jazz.
As to the figures themselves, well, no surprises at all, unfortunately. But for the most part they look good. The big disappointment for me is Grimlock - for the looks of things he doesn't do anything that's all that different to the Masterpiece - and indeed a lot of the engineering seems to take cues from that toy. So it's good for those that don't have the MP, and it will scale properly, but not for me, alas.
Ironically enough the one thing that could have tempted me with Grimlock would have been Wheelie, but upon discovering that he's not transformable my interest immediately evaporated. It's not like we've not had transforming figures at that scale before. But learning that his knees don't even move... yeah, that's a big "no" from me. Oh well.
But the rest do look great, and Hot Rod and Jazz are now on pre-order from ID. I was going to go with Star, but I gave ID a few minutes to get their website under control so that I could earn some more tasty points - and I lucked out in the end. Something to look forward to in 2021 now...
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Post by Philip Ayres on Oct 17, 2020 21:25:10 GMT
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