Xaaron

[blueshift]

Jun 1, 2018 1:50:08 GMT Grand Moff Muffin said:

What I want to know is this:

The chamber of Primus must be hidden somewhere deep on Cybertron, since it went undisturbed for millions of years until Bumblebee, Jazz, Bludgeon and co. got accidentally teleported to it in 'Yesterday's Heroes', and then teleported out again in 'Primal Scream'.

And yet when Galvatron, Hook, Line and Sinker attacked Autobase just prior to Unicron's arrival, Xaaron was able to take Galvatron to Primus in less time than it took Hook, Line and Sinker to subdue Landfill, Quickmix and Scoop. How did Galvatron and Xaaron get there so quickly? And then how did Hook, Line and Sinker get there so quickly, given that Galvatron was now out of Unicron's sight?

Was everyone using the Space Bridge to get from the surface down to Primus? Or had Xaaron relocated Autobase to directly over Primus' chamber following 'Primal Scream' so that it was possible to get there really quickly without teleporting? Which would suggest it wasn't that deep underground after all.

What do people reckon?

Martin

Maybe it's like the game Room in five doctors and behind a harp

[Fortmax2020]

Actually Cybertron is just a giant Saturn sized Quintesson.

What we call the surface and upper levels of Cybertron are just cosmic dust and accumulation covering the heads over time.

So the Primus Head is just one of five and not that far below the surface.

[Fortmax2020]

Or alternatively (as I suggested in a 'science' story a few years ago) Cybertron is just the Saturn sized shell of a Dyson Sphere around a brown dwarf star. Therefore everything is close to the surface.

I've always wondered what else was happening on Cybertron given the vast size of the planet and how the War only ever seems to focus on regions within easy travelling distance of Tarn/Vos/Iacon/Kalis.

Mentions of the war engulfing the 'whole' planet always struck me as a bit like how Mesopotamia flood myths (like Noah) have floods covering the whole Earth when any actual basis they had was for localised flooding.

[The Doctor]

The Primus chamber may not actually have been in Cybertron.

-Ralph

[Andy Turnbull]

Jun 1, 2018 1:50:08 GMT Grand Moff Muffin said:

What I want to know is this:

The chamber of Primus must be hidden somewhere deep on Cybertron, since it went undisturbed for millions of years until Bumblebee, Jazz, Bludgeon and co. got accidentally teleported to it in 'Yesterday's Heroes', and then teleported out again in 'Primal Scream'.

And yet when Galvatron, Hook, Line and Sinker attacked Autobase just prior to Unicron's arrival, Xaaron was able to take Galvatron to Primus in less time than it took Hook, Line and Sinker to subdue Landfill, Quickmix and Scoop. How did Galvatron and Xaaron get there so quickly? And then how did Hook, Line and Sinker get there so quickly, given that Galvatron was now out of Unicron's sight?

Was everyone using the Space Bridge to get from the surface down to Primus? Or had Xaaron relocated Autobase to directly over Primus' chamber following 'Primal Scream' so that it was possible to get there really quickly without teleporting? Which would suggest it wasn't that deep underground after all.

What do people reckon?

Martin

I would suggest Primus was able to reconfigure his form, and was changing his shape beneath the surface in order to allow Xaaron and Galvatron to reach him. Also it may not have been buried deep, but simply sealed off and after his awakening Primus simply unsealed it.

Andy

[Fortmax2020]

Jun 1, 2018 12:58:45 GMT The Doctor said:

The Primus chamber may not actually have been in Cybertron.

-Ralph

Steady on chap, I didn't think we lived in the universe of interstellar beaming!

[The Doctor]

Think about it.

-Ralph

[Fortmax2020]

Q, what is it you're trying to say?

[Fortmax2020]

Is it that the Primus chamber is *inside* Unicron?? Madness!

[Grand Moff Muffin]

Jun 1, 2018 18:44:05 GMT The Doctor said:

Think about it.

I thought about it.

I thought it was a nice idea.

Then I checked the narration text in the comics.

"Deep within the Transformers' home planet of Cybertron..."

Oh well.

Martin

[The Doctor]

I know but there is some wiggle wrong if you take G2 into account, ie the many worlds of the Cybertronian Empire, ie potentially more than one Cybertron. Surely Primus would be smart enough to have several decoys to fool Unicron? He doesn't bother turning into robot mode when Unicron attacks the Cybertron he is supposed to be on...

-Ralph

[Fortmax2020]

First Uncle Bob. Now Furman. Who next will you question??

[Fortmax2020]

Jun 2, 2018 8:01:52 GMT The Doctor said:

I know but there is some wiggle wrong if you take G2 into account, ie the many worlds of the Cybertronian Empire, ie potentially more than one Cybertron. Surely Primus would be smart enough to have several decoys to fool Unicron? He doesn't bother turning into robot mode when Unicron attacks the Cybertron he is supposed to be on...

-Ralph

Unicron was smart. His first strike knocked out Cybertron's ability to transform.

Or alternatively it could never transform and the Autobots had stopped the plan to turn it into a mobile battle station that could take on Unicron.

[Grand Moff Muffin]

There's nothing in Marvel to suggest Cybertron transforms. And anyway, if it can transform, maybe Primus gives it more thought than Unicron and realises that legs are of no benefit when you're a planet-sized entity floating in space.

May 30, 2018 19:32:01 GMT Fortmax2020 said:

This is all an interesting idea though. I hope the originator runs us a story out of it..?

This thread has inspired me to write a story, but I only have the first part worked out, and don't know where it will end up.

Want to hear how it begins?

Martin

[blueshift]

Jun 2, 2018 12:47:49 GMT Grand Moff Muffin said:

There's nothing in Marvel to suggest Cybertron transforms.

There's a giant head inside it

[Grand Moff Muffin]

Jun 2, 2018 12:52:11 GMT blueshift said:

Jun 2, 2018 12:47:49 GMT Grand Moff Muffin said:

There's nothing in Marvel to suggest Cybertron transforms.

There's a giant head inside it

Firstly, it's a face, not a head, and secondly, it's not big enough to be the planet's head.

Martin

[blueshift]

Jun 2, 2018 12:54:16 GMT Grand Moff Muffin said:

Jun 2, 2018 12:52:11 GMT blueshift said:

There's a giant head inside it

Firstly, it's a face, not a head, and secondly, it's not big enough to be the planet's head.

Martin

Transformers are not people, they are space robots. Who is to say he doesn't turn into a robot with a tiny pin head??

[Grand Moff Muffin]

Jun 2, 2018 12:57:24 GMT blueshift said:

Transformers are not people, they are space robots. Who is to say he doesn't turn into a robot with a tiny pin head??

Or indeed no head at all. Or legs. And he could be a face/head with a spherical planet-shaped body rather than a humanoid body. So the existence of the face isn't really evidence of anything either way.

Martin

[blueshift]

Jun 2, 2018 13:03:15 GMT Grand Moff Muffin said:

Jun 2, 2018 12:57:24 GMT blueshift said:

Transformers are not people, they are space robots. Who is to say he doesn't turn into a robot with a tiny pin head??

Or indeed no head at all. Or legs. And he could be a face/head with a spherical planet-shaped body rather than a humanoid body. So the existence of the face isn't really evidence of anything either way.

Martin

yes but it's still a giant robot face, which 100% of non-transforming thing don't have.

[Grand Moff Muffin]

Jun 2, 2018 13:04:47 GMT blueshift said:

yes but it's still a giant robot face, which 100% of non-transforming thing don't have.

Just as 100% of transforming things don't have tiny pin heads.

I think I've lost track of the logic of this argument.

Martin

[Fortmax2020]

Cough. Mt Rushmore.

Could be that Primus only ever envisioned it as a means of communication not self-representation.

Or that whatever religion worshiped in the Primus chamber constructed it themselves.

And yes, Martin Story please!!

[blueshift]

Jun 2, 2018 13:12:11 GMT Grand Moff Muffin said:

Jun 2, 2018 13:04:47 GMT blueshift said:

yes but it's still a giant robot face, which 100% of non-transforming thing don't have.

Just as 100% of transforming things don't have tiny pin heads.

I think I've lost track of the logic of this argument.

Martin

Someone has forgotten Energon Omega Supreme!!

[The Doctor]

The face is just there as an avatar to fool Primus' idiot spawn.

-Ralph

[Grand Moff Muffin]

Jun 2, 2018 13:12:57 GMT Fortmax2020 said:

And yes, Martin Story please!!

OK! Here you go:

tmukhub.proboards.com/thread/9876/xaaron

Martin

[Grand Moff Muffin]

Someone please give me a made-up name for a random non-toy cannon-fodder Autobot who will die in the first
story he appears in.

Martin

[blueshift]

Jun 2, 2018 16:40:47 GMT Grand Moff Muffin said:

Someone please give me a made-up name for a random non-toy cannon-fodder Autobot who will die in the first
story he appears in.

Martin

Zombo

[Grand Moff Muffin]

Thanks, that'll do.

Martin

[Grand Moff Muffin]

Part 2, 'Zombo's Last Stand', now up:

tmukhub.proboards.com/thread/9876/xaaron?page=1&scrollTo=320992

Martin

[Fortmax2020]

Jun 2, 2018 16:42:55 GMT blueshift said:

Jun 2, 2018 16:40:47 GMT Grand Moff Muffin said:

Someone please give me a made-up name for a random non-toy cannon-fodder Autobot who will die in the first
story he appears in.

Martin

Zombo

Drat! Beaten to the punch. I was going to suggest.. ShockSentry!

[Grand Moff Muffin]

Part 3, 'The Death of ShockSentry'.

tmukhub.proboards.com/thread/9876/xaaron?page=1&scrollTo=321016

Martin