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Post by charlesrocketboy on Feb 5, 2009 16:32:42 GMT
Wait a minute, how are Prime's actions saving them? It leaves them trapped on Cybertron with no exit - isn't that what the Decepticons were going to do?!
(We'll ignore that the Supreme Commander of the Autobots, two unit commanders, a strategist and several veteran soldiers were all in favour of sending the entire Earth squad after a believed handful of Decepticons...)
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Post by grahamthomson on Feb 5, 2009 16:52:00 GMT
Maybe there's no traitor at all? After all, it was only Megatron who told them there was one! And who would trust him? He's ever so naughty.
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Feb 5, 2009 18:00:30 GMT
You might be right, he was grinning at the time.
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Post by The Doctor on Feb 5, 2009 18:14:38 GMT
So....so.....no, hang on. The previously well trained team of Autobots were defeated by being very stupid and standing right beside each other at the bottom of a big hole and then being terribly surprised when some Decepticons arrived to beat them up. That's it?  Hmmm. Well, that's very Sunbow. -Ralph |
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Post by charlesrocketboy on Feb 5, 2009 19:16:23 GMT
And it took the Decepticons THIS LONG to think of it?
EDIT: Why didn't the Autobots just orbital-bounce away from the ambush?
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Feb 5, 2009 22:56:14 GMT
Well, only Shane McCarthy will know, whether it gets explained or not is an entirely different matter.
Andy
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Post by blueshift on Feb 5, 2009 23:21:42 GMT
It does strike me that a lot of this issue was written as a direct response to the criticisms so it is nice they're listening. Though some of it seems quite shoehorned in (apparently suddenly Cybertron IS horrid and it is painful being there, even though we've not seen anything to indicate that in the 6 issues previously.)
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Post by charlesrocketboy on Feb 6, 2009 0:55:25 GMT
The 'bots were keeping a stiff upper lip, I guess.
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Post by grahamthomson on Feb 6, 2009 8:38:55 GMT
I did actually wonder if AHM 1-6 was a case of throwing a lot of cards in the air with the intention of using 7-12 to pick up the pieces.
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Post by blueshift on Feb 6, 2009 9:35:01 GMT
Honestly though I wouldn't mind if that was the case. It doesn't seem like much has happened half a year in though. I still have no idea what the story actually /is/, what the villains are planning and what the good guys have to do to stop the villains. It really is just people standing about being bored  |
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Post by legios on Feb 6, 2009 10:12:54 GMT
I would have liked to have thought that having fought a large number of engagements, in various environments, that the Autobots would have learned a few basic tactical principles - like the need to maintain a tactical reserve to cover an extraction route, the principle of "don't bunch up. If you bunch up you are asking for death by artillery". Apparently not. IDW Autobots just aren't that bright.
Mind you, neither are the Decepticons. Now that you have the Autobots at your mercy, rather than just shoot them until they are dead (and then a bit more for luck), Megatron decides to drop them into a Deathtrap. Ah, the return of archvillian-stupidty with a vengeance.
On the apparent proportions of Devastator - I actually don't mind that too much. The flashback is partially a sort of Jazz-POV thing so Devastator may not be "actual size" so much as evoking the way he looms large in Jazz's recollection.
Karl
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Post by charlesrocketboy on Feb 6, 2009 11:04:30 GMT
It really is just people standing about being bored Hell, that might be the story, "Decepticons win and are bored of it". ...actually, the Decepticons are oddly lacking for a comic called All Hail Megatron. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2009 11:15:24 GMT
It does strike me that a lot of this issue was written as a direct response to the criticisms so it is nice they're listening. I wondered that too, although when I did the interview with Shane he gave the impression he was working on issue 10/11 which would mean that #7 was put to bed some time ago. Then again I suppose the criticism about lack of continuity with the Furman stuff has been around since day one. Nice to see some tie in at last, although I was hoping for something a bit more dramatic than a standard ambush. I thought the cons had got all the access codes and simultaneously attack all the Autobot outposts. I would have liked a couple of panels explaining that this was a highly coordinated galaxy-wide offensive, and not just a case of Prime and co getting done over by one gestalt. |
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Post by blueshift on Feb 6, 2009 12:53:06 GMT
Yeah, I never liked the idea in the original cartoon that the entire Transformer war was a dozen guys kicking about on Earth, and Cybertron was populated entirely by Shockwave and Reflector.
I much preferred the sense of scale of the comics and season 3
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Post by charlesrocketboy on Feb 6, 2009 12:57:36 GMT
I wondered that too, although when I did the interview with Shane he gave the impression he was working on issue 10/11 which would mean that #7 was put to bed some time ago. They could've edited and added in some lines when lettering, I guess. Except for the Sunstreaker bit. |
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Post by grahamthomson on Feb 6, 2009 13:10:21 GMT
If the Decepticons "won" the war by trapping the 1984 characters in a hole, what about the other hundreds of Autobots seen throughout the galaxy in pre-AHM IDW stories?
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Post by blueshift on Feb 6, 2009 13:16:58 GMT
If the Decepticons "won" the war by trapping the 1984 characters in a hole, what about the other hundreds of Autobots seen throughout the galaxy in pre-AHM IDW stories? They all died. Of Spaceitis |
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Post by grahamthomson on Feb 6, 2009 13:28:28 GMT
Ah, of course! There was all that controversy about the Spaceitis jab!
If only Furman's "Inoculation" mini-series hadn't been abandoned, then AHM would be making a lot more sense.
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Post by grahamthomson on Feb 6, 2009 15:46:57 GMT
... that it's reached issue 7!
I am pleased that, after how many years?, an American Transformers comic has made it past the six-issue barrier!
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Feb 6, 2009 16:06:37 GMT
Armada/Energon and DW's ongoing both did back in the day so it has joined some noteworthy titles....
Andy
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Post by grahamthomson on Feb 6, 2009 16:08:21 GMT
Indeed they did.
Unembarrassingly, I had completely forgotten those series existed! And that they lasted so long!
But still, that's what, five years ago?
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Feb 6, 2009 16:13:12 GMT
Yeah, pretty much.
Andy
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Post by charlesrocketboy on Feb 6, 2009 16:41:54 GMT
Now there's a strange thought, that Armada/Energon is the longest US ongoing title since Marvel G1 and may never be beaten in this.
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Feb 6, 2009 16:52:12 GMT
You are quite correct in that Charles. It won't be beaten. Oh and G, I meant to point out the reprint title Generations got twelve issues.
Andy
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Post by blueshift on Feb 6, 2009 16:52:32 GMT
Well honestly that is more from design than accident, since IDW's output was strictly 4-6 issue miniseries before. Its not like they were /trying/ to get past 6 issues before, and they could have easily.
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Post by Dave on Feb 6, 2009 17:31:14 GMT
What number had the got up to before they abandoned the dual-numbering?
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Post by grahamthomson on Feb 6, 2009 22:17:21 GMT
7. A lot of people found it confusing at that point.
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Post by karla on Feb 9, 2009 11:49:28 GMT
I didn't like it when the Decepticons came sliding down the cliffside just to attack the armed Autobots, why not shell them from a safe distance? they are in a giant hole!
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Post by grahamthomson on Feb 9, 2009 15:59:49 GMT
If only Six-Shot was from the 1984-1985 range, they could have had him as well.
"It's like shooting cyberducks in a barrel."
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Post by Shockprowl on Feb 12, 2009 19:37:43 GMT
Well, love to Mrs Shockprowl, she purchooselled the 'issue 7 - 12' thingy from the splendid Mr Bax for me. I couldn't make up my mind if I wanted to continue with the series or not. You see, I WANT to like AHM. For one I think the art is great. And to best honest, I think the characterisation is some of the best I've ever seen. Great views on the relationship between Megs and SS. Ironhide's getting great characterisness. And Jazz is just so awesome I think I want his babies. The melting-pot of the Autobots' situation is very interesting. 'Swipe and Sunny got great screen time in '7' (dont' mind Jazz being leader over Prowl at all, but I don't think Prowl's been done right since 'Infiltration'.) But the general story 'arch' isn't spanking my monkey. They were in a hole and got wasted? Where the freakazoid are the rest of the Autobot army (Ultra Magnus to name one!). Why the freakazoid aren't the Deceps' obliterating Earth from orbit? What's happened to all those 'Thanatos' etc space ships? Human characters (that weren't very interesting anyway) got LOADSA screen time early on, and now they've evaporated like one of Tomo's bad TF jokes. Why put so much stock into the Humans if they just get brushed aside as soon as? Massive elements of this story don't add up in the mind of Shockprowl- and yet, there are chunks of this story that I do like. I'm a whirl, a whirl I am!
(In a freakazoid way, I'd love it if Prowl were the traitor! Not that I see him doing it, but, how MAD would that be?! He did it 'cos he was pissed off that Prime demoted him or sumat?!)
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