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Post by blueshift on Jun 11, 2009 11:43:49 GMT
Well with the advent of the internet, a more public face is one of the occupational hazards. See Duane McDuffy being removed from JLA for his rather disparaging remarks about DC for example. Also yay, I got a reply to my question to Shane. It... wasn't really the answer I wanted though (I am reading it wrong apparently) forum.idwpublishing.com/viewtopic.php?t=6022&start=285 |
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Post by Kingoji on Jun 11, 2009 16:04:02 GMT
It's nice to see that people have stopped sucking up so much, and that others are willing to fight for their opinions. I myself just typed a post in there which didn't paint Shane in too favourable a light only to be speeded by Shane himself.
Hehe, I wonder what he'll have to say about it, if anything.
Edit: Oh, my God. What an ego.
"We're not here to offend, just to offer advice."
"If it's asked for, no problem."
If he doesn't want to get better, which he clearly NEEDS to do, then he shouldn't be doing this for a living.
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 11, 2009 17:15:00 GMT
The IDW boards are as toxic as Dreamwave's were. I used to be a regular poster but rarely go there anymore.
-Ralph
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Jun 11, 2009 17:22:05 GMT
I let other people tell me what goes on there. I have no time for creators with attitude problems and heavy handed mods.
Andy
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Post by Kingoji on Jun 11, 2009 17:41:56 GMT
Yeah, I'm starting to get that vibe. You have something to say that the creators don't like, then get the fuck out.
That's why I usually stick to the fan-art section.
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Post by grahamthomson on Jun 11, 2009 18:16:07 GMT
Aww, your post got deleted!
At least here we value the freedom of speech.
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 11, 2009 18:25:28 GMT
What did it to say, to be smited?
-Ralph
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Post by Kingoji on Jun 11, 2009 18:29:53 GMT
Not much. I can't even remember.
Something about his cutting a post short and saying "are you trying to tell me how to do my job?" and later saying that he 'doesn't take offense at critisism if he asks for it' not sounding like he was too open for con-crit.
I also said something about Galileo becoming passive aggressive because all the replies he got were so arrogant.
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Jun 11, 2009 18:51:06 GMT
Apparently suggesting better ways of doing things is rude.
Yeesh!
Andy
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Post by Kingoji on Jun 11, 2009 19:08:30 GMT
It's situations like this which make me really wish I could just drop the book. But with the cancellation of Animated and the movieverse being so dire, dammit, it's all I have!
IT'S ALL I HAVE!!
A bunch more posts have been deleted. W00T!!
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Post by charlesrocketboy on Jun 11, 2009 19:46:31 GMT
They'd be annoying me more if I didn't remember we've got our own monthly comic and it reprints some of IDW anyway - we don't need them.
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Post by Kingoji on Jun 11, 2009 19:50:09 GMT
If OUR book wasn't so unashamedly aimed at 7-10 year olds, I might agree with you. They should have made it like their DC collector's editions.
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 11, 2009 20:33:44 GMT
I remember reading a UK TF comic aimed at 7-10 year olds. 25 years later I'm still a fan!  -Ralph |
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Post by charlesrocketboy on Jun 11, 2009 23:14:56 GMT
If OUR book wasn't so unashamedly aimed at 7-10 year olds, I might agree with you. AHM is aimed at the twenty-to-thirty-something fans, and look how THAT one ended up... (Titan also had Ratchet turn into something other than an ambulance, twice. That's 500% more daring than anything in AHM) |
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Post by Kingoji on Jun 12, 2009 5:12:03 GMT
It's not the story content I take issue with, it's having to pick it up from the same shelf as Dora the Explorer or whatever. The free gifts and features which talk to you like you know nothing don't help it's cause.
At least the Marvel UK book never talked down to us.
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Post by grahamthomson on Jun 12, 2009 9:31:22 GMT
Dora the Explorer has a comic out?!?! Someone get me to a newsagents!
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Post by charlesrocketboy on Jun 12, 2009 10:14:22 GMT
It's not the story content I take issue with, it's having to pick it up from the same shelf as Dora the Explorer or whatever. The free gifts and features which talk to you like you know nothing don't help it's cause. Where it's stacked is the newsagent's decision, Titan can't do much about it. I'll give you some of the features - Starscream certainly talks down to us... |
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 12, 2009 17:55:01 GMT
Um, UK TF comics have always been placed with general kiddy fodder. At least round my way growing up!
-Ralph
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Post by Kingoji on Jun 12, 2009 18:30:29 GMT
Not as bad as this. I don't know if it's because it's Titan, and they publish, well, everything, but these books are very much flash over content, packed to the brim with adverts (pick up this other comic, and see a ton more ads, including for the very book you hold!).
A double page spread for the contents? Why? TF Uk had each issue's intro, contents and related news all on the inside cover.
Two pages for "Way Past Cool" (WTF?) gear that usually has three items with maybe two paragraph's each, with half of one page taken up by the same image of Bumblebee every time? Two pages of a glorified Forbidden Planet advert? Two pages of fan art and up to three of letters?
Compare all this to the three strips which maybe come in at ten pages each, and only one of those strips being new material which is tragically based upon the least charming incarnation of the series we ever had.
For the same price as Batman Legends?
No.
Nononono.
They should have made it a collector's edition magazine. It would have justified the price, and wouldn't have alienated any of the younger audience either.
Anyway, a horrible, terrible thought occurred to me today. What will this mag be like when they start reprinting AHM? A single issue reprinted by Titan is usually spread out over four mags or so. Can you imagine how long of NOTHING readers will have to deal with?
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Post by charlesrocketboy on Jun 12, 2009 19:02:20 GMT
packed to the brim with adverts My #22 has four ads in it, not counting the back cover. It'd be six if you counted the back issues and subscriptions pages, but why would we? Or are you counting the competitions as well? I'll give you these ones, I don't get the point of the reviews. When there's new Transformers gear out though, Top Gear makes perfect sense to have in - it's flogging you Transformers stuff, which is the comic's mandate as far as Hasbro is concerned. Up to four of letters, so that stuff's six pages, but why'd a large space for letters and fanart be a bad thing? It's all-ages, and Transformers tends to provoke fan-art. On top of which, four pages means more of Starscream being a git! The last three issues of Batman Legends didn't have 22 pages of original strip (26 in #25), that's going to whack the price up. A collector's edition would have no original strip, and I can get the IDW issues quicker elsewhere. If it was a collector's edition mag, then there really wouldn't be any other game in town for Transformers comics - we'd be worse off. |
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Post by Kingoji on Jun 12, 2009 19:18:27 GMT
I don't know what issue I stopped at. The one with Jazz turning bad and fighting Prime I think.
The point I'm trying to make is that it's not a patch on the older comics, which was the comparison drawn. The older comics, likely due to printing restrictions I'll admit, had three strips, contents/intro/related news all on one page, a letters page that sometimes featured art and stock exchange, an occasional competition which usually took half a page, regular profiles (two guys on one page), what we could look forward to next time, a funny, and maybe two ads including the back cover.
And despite the fact that back then there was no adult market for the TFs, it treated the reader like one.
I don't see why giving it the same format as a collector's edition would mean we were worse off, nor that it would entail the cutting of UK originated material. What I want them to do is respect that there are probably more thirty somethings buying this book than there are youngsters, and give us something that looks more respectful and doesn't condescend.
And fan art is one thing, but who cares about photographs of children and their toy collection? There are no doubt people on here that could fill a showroom with their collection, but we don't feel the need to waste prescious magazine space with pictures of them.
It just doesn't justify the cost to me. I was paying the same price as the affore-mentioned Batman Legends for basically ten pages of new strip on a continuity I don't even like.
Aaaand, back on topic, am I the only one who thinks that the reprinting of AHM in that magazine would be a nightmare?
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Post by blueshift on Jun 12, 2009 19:55:58 GMT
I would be very surprised if more adults than children were buying the Titan comic. It is very kiddie orientated, and selling in decently large numbers, alongside other such kiddie-orientated mags. I don't think thats a BAD thing, but it is important to note how the stuff kids like has changed. I'm sure in the 80s people were bemoaning how lowbrow kids stuff was than in the 60s, and in the 60s they said that about the 40s, and so on. It is sad but true. Titan could probably work on being a bit more 'age neutral' though to be honest. I remember the stuff I liked as a kid never talking down to me. It could be worse. Remember Panini Armada?  |
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Post by Dave on Jun 12, 2009 20:10:56 GMT
I doubt they'd ever consider reprinting AHM, it would take way too long to get through and as they are just picking and choosing IDW material it's not like they have too.
I do prefer the old way of incorporating the non-strip material and some of the new stuff seems pointless. However whilst I'm not interested in the pics of collections I'm not sure kid-Dave would agree, in fact he'd probably submit his own pic.
Also the more of Starscream being a git, the better.
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Post by charlesrocketboy on Jun 12, 2009 21:03:51 GMT
I don't see why giving it the same format as a collector's edition would mean we were worse off, nor that it would entail the cutting of UK originated material. Because that's what the collector editions are, they're collections of reprints with no original strip or even covers. [quotte]What I want them to do is respect that there are probably more thirty somethings buying this book than there are youngsters[/quote] But there aren't. The fanart and letters indicate pretty strongly that the vast bulk of readers are sprogs. IDW is focused on the thirty-somethings as a primary audiance, and... well, we've gotten AHM out of that one. Children. They'd never do that because it'd be such a nightmare - it'd never go down with the target audience, and they'd committed for three years. They'd have to be really desperate for reprint for that! |
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 12, 2009 21:04:02 GMT
Pictures of kids with their toys is of appeal to the target market, ie kids I would imagine. And I doubt very much more adults than kids are buying this. It has a readership of over twenty thousand. No TF convention (a reasonable measure of the hardcore adult fanbase) has managed to hit 500 attendees yet. AHM (aimed at the adult nostalgia fanbase) sells around 11-12K.
There are dozens of TF comics released each year from IDW aimed at the adult collector market. I think there's room for a kids one. Transformers is of after all a children's toy line.
But tastes vary, of course. You pay your money and make your choice as to which types of TF comic you want to buy. Personally, I think the most successful TF comics (then and now) have been the ones aimed at kids or written so kids can enjoy them as well as the adults.
Titan TF isn't perfect. There are some filler features and the IDW strips could use a more generous page allocation but have a look at most other magazines on the newsstand aimed at that age group and it talks down to the kids far less than most, certainly nowhere near as much as the ill-fated Panini Armada comic! Brrrr. Titan's other big launch titles (Star Trek Comic and Terminator Salvation Comic) don't even have originated covers never mind originated strips!
As for AHM, I doubt it will see print in Titan's title, mostly for the reason that it would take far too long to serialise.
-Ralph
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Post by charlesrocketboy on Jun 12, 2009 21:05:24 GMT
I'm sure in the 80s people were bemoaning how lowbrow kids stuff was than in the 60s, and in the 60s they said that about the 40s, and so on. I know that in the 70s, older readers were complaining 2000 AD wasn't a patch on TV 21. |
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Post by charlesrocketboy on Jun 12, 2009 21:09:47 GMT
It has a readership of over twenty thousand. And at its early height, the readership was 45k+ ! I like to think reprinting Megatron Origin is what made the sales go down.  And that's depressing. Star Trek should, at least, for the same reason as Transformers. |
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Post by Dave on Jun 13, 2009 10:12:55 GMT
Ralph, Charles and I are wrong. As stupid an idea as reprinting AHM is, guess what's included in Titan (vol 2) #1?
edit: it's the whole of #1. On the plus side they'll get through it quicker, but on the negative Titan TF now contains 22-pages of shite guaranteed.
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Jun 13, 2009 12:23:47 GMT
!!!!!!!!
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Post by Kingoji on Jun 13, 2009 12:27:45 GMT
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Achem. Sorry.
*snrk*
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