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Post by Bogatan on Jan 26, 2020 18:55:51 GMT
My theory: Tom/B'Elanna and Chakotay/Seven seem to be anti-homosexual relationships. Burman is pretty famously homophobic, and reportedly couldn't stand same sex fanshipping. Janeway/Chakotay was pretty much the most popular ship, until Seven came around. Then it became Janeway/Seven. Then out of nowhere the producers give us Chakotay/Seven. Tom/Harry was another popular ship. As it grew in popularity, they leaned into Tom/B'Elanna. Though this one did seem to resonate with the fandom, as there seem to be fewer Tom/Harry shippers. Personally, I'd have gone B'Elanna/Harry, myself. They had chemistry straight from the pilot. (Please note I personally borderline hate "shipping" and absolutely despise the fandom drama around it, and I generally know far more about it than I wish I did.) That, depressingly, makes some sense. I agree with you about Harry and B'Elanna, they were just about the only combination of characters that seemed to naturally click from the start. So obviously they barely interacted for seven years. That actually comes back to what I said a while back about Tom and Harry swapping plots. My "Phils Mad Theory" TM is that they realised they had written themselves into a corner with Neelix. His insane jealousy combined with the frankly creepy relationship with Kes (2 actors with zero chemistry doing the scripts no favours) was making him unwatchable. I guess the quick fix was for it to turn out that Neelix was right and Tom really was interested in Kes. So another infatuation/relationship that came out of nowhere and disappeared just as soon as Neelix had been rehabilitated. If your not trying to save Neelix that would have been a much more natural fit for Harry not the (supposed) bad boy Tom Paris. And then it keeps going. Tom barely has any relationships before B'Elanna and one of the few he does is him being set up by a married woman or something. Harry on the other hand despite Toms constant reminders about holograms, borg and the wrong twin actually gets plenty of action and even gets in trouble for his bad boy ways. Then theres the weird submarine one were Tom suddenly has a life long love of living in a yellow submarine. (never mentioned before or after) Its the only time heever really gets into serious trouble and its for being an eco warrior. Doesnt that sound more like a Harry plot? But it cant be a harry plot because he already had an Im in love and will break the rules episode not long before, which itself seems like a perfect Tom Paris story, but cant be because someone had just decided he and B'Elanna were in love. Theres also the fact that Bad Boy Tom got promoted twice while perfect office Harry doesnt get promoted once. Theres a couple of other time were episodes quite close together seem like they had the wrong lead, with characters just all over the place.
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Post by Bogatan on Jan 26, 2020 18:58:53 GMT
Oh yeah Tom mocks Kim for falling for the wrong Twin, yet theres no evidence Tom ever got anywhere with either of them.
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Post by Bogatan on Jan 26, 2020 19:00:46 GMT
Anyway 526 episodes and 11 moives in (2 or 3 days) less than 3 months.
Picard.
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Post by Toph on Jan 26, 2020 19:12:26 GMT
Oh yeah Tom mocks Kim for falling for the wrong Twin, yet theres no evidence Tom ever got anywhere with either of them. Well, it doesn't really matter if Tom got anywhere with them or not. That's beside the point, and I speak from first hand experience because I, too, fell in love with the wrong twin. When I was in 4th and 5th grade, there was a girl in my class I was smitten with. We got along well and were good friends. But she did not reciprocate, and we didn't have much in common. She did have an identical twin sister, who was in another class. The sister and I got along famously. Had a lot in common, and she was constantly coming to our class to hang out. And so stuck on my classmate was I, that I was completely oblivious to the fact that the identical twin sister had a crush on me. I fell for the wrong twin. So Harry falling for the wrong twin is the most relatable thing in all of trek, to me.
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Post by Toph on Jan 27, 2020 13:30:48 GMT
Something that has recently been bothering me a bit about Deep Space 9 is that there's no interstation transporter system. The station is what... A mile wide? And with the ring design plus the pylons, the turbolifts just don't seem to be efficient to access it all as swiftly as station crew may need. And honestly, transporting from pad to pad in a closed, self contained system seems even safer than transporting ship to ship.
On a similar note, something that has always bothered me is the Star Trek logic of if they know the enemy's shield frequency, you can beam through it. But under no circumstance can you beam through your own shields.
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Post by Toph on Jan 28, 2020 15:22:27 GMT
You know, I think the biggest missed opportunity of DS9 was not keeping the romulan sub-commander, who came with the Defiant's cloak.
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Post by Bogatan on Jan 28, 2020 16:07:47 GMT
Did he/she just vanish?
Not sure I'd call it the biggest miss, but I did expect them to stick around. A romulan on the bridge had potential.
Having said that Im not sure what I would call the biggest miss. By the time it finished it was my favourite Trek (at least if I put aside the insane amount of nostalgia that TNG evokes). And on each rewatch it honestly gets better. So finding something that would make it better is tough. The first two seasons still feel slightly weaker than the rest, but the more I watch them the more I realise just how much world building it was doing. However intentional or not almost everyone of those episodes pays off later.
Even the Ferengi episodes end up developing in to their own beautifully strange world. Actually I've been thinking that some of my favourite moments came from those episodes. I love just how accustomed to all the oddness the starfleet crew became.
Stand out moments are Quark and Rom (I think) crawling through the Jefferies Tubes and bursting in to Siskos office and in season 7 Quark and Rom carrying a just stolen cloaked cloaking device down a corridor when Sisko and Martok pass them. Avery Brooks dead pan response in both cases is just perfect. I suppose not enough of those is my biggest missed opportunity.
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Post by Toph on Jan 29, 2020 0:39:24 GMT
I don't think she completely vanished? She was gone, but i think they made a quick mention that she was recalled.
Why I feel like she was the biggest missed opportunity comes from several facts- · We've never really explored romulan culture before. · Her, learning to trust Sisko and company, even if she doesn't trust Starfleet, and vice versa. "I don't trust the Romulans, but I trust the Sub-Commander with my life." Maybe Sisko comes to trust her enough that Sisko puts her in charge of the Defiant's engineering. · There are a thousand different ways they could have handled her during the Romulan "war" · Worf · Her, herself. She's largely a blank slate for personality. She lived in a highly propagandized, xenophobic society. The deprogramming that happens simply from exposure is life changing. As she learns the Federation isn't horrible, she starts looking to federation space with wide-eyed wonder, because she never dreamed she'd get to visit Earth, or Trill, or Celtress III (made that one up).
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Post by Toph on Jan 29, 2020 11:41:45 GMT
Apparently today is Threshold day!
So happy salamander baby day, everyone!
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 29, 2020 11:50:09 GMT
I have the mutated Tom action figure! It comes with salamander babies!
-Ralph
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Post by Toph on Jan 29, 2020 13:02:28 GMT
Mamas! Love your warp ten salamander babies!
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Post by The Doctor on Feb 2, 2020 16:48:08 GMT
Enterprise was announced as cancelled on this day FIFTHTEEN YEARS AGO today.
Source: the usually reliable 'Today in Star Trek History' FB page.
-Ralph
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Post by Toph on Feb 2, 2020 17:12:26 GMT
Good lord
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Post by Toph on Feb 10, 2020 17:19:20 GMT
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Post by The Doctor on Feb 12, 2020 16:54:31 GMT
My other half has access to my Netflix account so has been watching The Original Series (she's seen lots of Trek before though is not the die-hard fan I am and hasn't seen it all). She is really enjoying it and loved The Menagerie (which is where she is up to).
She is also watching 'Picard' with me and it is nice to share a new Trek show as it is airing.
-Ralph
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Post by The Doctor on Feb 12, 2020 16:55:02 GMT
The halls of Sto'Vo'Kor shall welcome him. -Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 16, 2020 10:54:34 GMT
Short Treks gets a shiny disc release
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Post by KnightBeat on Mar 16, 2020 11:12:43 GMT
I'm surprised this isn't part of the Discovery S1/S2 disc set. Most of them seem awful!
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 16, 2020 11:25:11 GMT
A couple of them were on the Disco s2 physical release.
It annoys me now end that a set called Short Treks has 8 out of 9 of them!
I thought the first batch of Short Treks were great. The second lot were forgettable.
-Ralph
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Post by Toph on Mar 16, 2020 11:40:22 GMT
A couple of them were on the Disco s2 physical release. -Ralph If that's true, it's either not on the US release, or extremely well hidden, because I wasn't able to find them. Confused the frak out of me when they became important to the show's plot. Made me think I accidentally skipped episodes.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 16, 2020 11:54:24 GMT
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Post by The Doctor on Apr 6, 2020 9:25:53 GMT
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Post by Jim on Apr 17, 2020 21:36:34 GMT
Robert Duncan Mcneill and Garrett Wang are starting a Voyager podcast:
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Post by The Doctor on Apr 17, 2020 21:39:54 GMT
I am looking forward to that!
-Ralph
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Post by Toph on Apr 21, 2020 17:44:20 GMT
A cardassian lawyer angrily yelling "You flatter me, sir! You flatter me!" at Odo will never not be funny to me.
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Post by The Doctor on May 1, 2020 8:32:41 GMT
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Post by Jim on May 28, 2020 8:41:31 GMT
I've been enjoying the Delta Flyers podcast a lot so far, and rewatching the episodes alongside it. Not sure whether it will be able to sustain the interest over the duration of the entire show without getting repetitive, but it's a good start.
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Jun 10, 2020 19:24:34 GMT
Naomi and I are several episodes in to Deep Space 9 season 7 now.
She has yet to experience the beginning or end titles.
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 10, 2020 20:43:20 GMT
Then how will she know the name of the show? Or the theme tune? Important elements!!!
-Ralph
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Post by KnightBeat on Jun 10, 2020 22:11:39 GMT
I just made the mistake of searching for DS9 theme with lyrics. Pain, so much pain.
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