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Post by Fortmax2020 on Jun 14, 2020 9:09:52 GMT
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Jun 21, 2020 10:48:49 GMT
Season 7 finished. Great stuff.
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 23, 2020 20:56:11 GMT
I've started watching Voyager from the start on Fridays when Jen has her Bible study group. It's so 90's! Janeway is solid out the gate. Kes heavy scenes are now uncomfortable to watch.
-Ralph
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Post by Jim on Jun 24, 2020 9:15:00 GMT
I've been doing the same, one episode a week to follow along with the Delta Flyers podcast. It's better than I remembered. Still love the title sequence and music.
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 13, 2020 10:03:19 GMT
Patrick Stewart is 80 today!
-Ralph
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 24, 2020 17:12:35 GMT
I usually don't pay attention to SDCC panels as I am on a different continent but the Trek ones for SDCC@Home so far have been enjoyable. One on women in Trek novels and one with the science advisers the shows have had over the years. At real-life cons I do tend to enjoy behind-the-scenes type panels more so these are right up my street. There's another novel related one later in the weekend.
The 'Trek Universe' one was ok. Snappily edited. I enjoyed the Disco crew doing a script reading. Lower Decks doesn't look like my cup of tea but the segment on it was enjoyable enough.
Not bad for freebies!
-Ralph
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Post by Jim on Aug 21, 2020 13:12:23 GMT
Continuing on my Voyager watchthrough after a break for the holiday, just got to Faces which I didn't actually see back in the day. Good episode, but did they really just beam out the Voyager crewmembers and leave the other prisoners behind? That seems a bit cold given it's the Vidiians...
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Post by Toph on Aug 21, 2020 15:47:12 GMT
The Vidiians were an interesting concept. One that doesn't work at all as presented, if you think about it longer than ten seconds. But still an interesting concept for a villain.
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Post by The Doctor on Aug 21, 2020 16:12:48 GMT
The Vidiians were properly creepy. I'd rather have had more of them than the Kazon.
-Ralph
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Post by Toph on Aug 21, 2020 17:42:58 GMT
I guess one could attribute most of the logical faults with the Vidiians to nineties sci-fi that we've outdated.
But I have no problem saying the Vidiians are the most medically advanced race in the galaxy. Possibly in the entire unwritten history of the galaxy. Yet the Klingons can successfully clone people dead for thousands of years. The Federation can synthesize a klingon spine (granted that was experamental, and potentially unsurvivable). We are now nearly to the point where we can fabricate organs from scratch (This was well beyond us in the nineties but it was not unfeasible).
So, if you're advanced enough that you can restructure alien organs to work in your physiology, then why can't you simply clone and grow your own organs from scratch? I have no issues with the premise of the Vidiians as galactic organ thieves, so long as the writers had addressed that basic question.
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Aug 21, 2020 19:26:08 GMT
They are there as a nod to the horizon science of the time. Ideas of Xenotransplantation were very popular then in both academic and lay circles.
All Trek does it. That's why we got tardigrades in Discovery for example. The science dates fast but it is interesting to have it dealt with in the show.
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Post by The Doctor on Aug 21, 2020 19:32:03 GMT
And it's why there are a lot of nanites later in the show. Lots and lots of nainites.
-Ralph
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Post by Jim on Aug 21, 2020 19:37:58 GMT
As long as it isn’t immediately ridiculous as an idea, isn’t boring, and it works as a good spring board for stories, then I don’t mind too much.
The Vidiians worked as this for me - both of their season one appearances are memorable episodes with thought/feeling-provoking ideas.
The Kazon however...
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Post by Toph on Aug 21, 2020 22:16:59 GMT
You know, another really interesting thing about the Vidiians, would be their redemption. Because the most interesting Vidiians were the ones who were conflicted in some way or another.
So i would really like to see them in a future setting, where once they've gotten the phage beaten, they turn their vast medical knowledge for the good of everyone else, in an effort to make restitution. Vidiian science ships showing up in quarantined zones to do what they can to find a cure. Vidiian (former) raiders showing up in the middle of battles in order to shut down the fighting and render aid to the wounded. Vidiian hospital ships showing up in orbit of worlds suffering through disasters.
You could even make an interesting twist where they're a little too enthusiastic about it. "We're here to help" whether you like it or not.
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Post by The Doctor on Aug 21, 2020 22:52:45 GMT
I thought they were memorable villains who have been rather overlooked, even in spin-off media.
-Ralph
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Aug 21, 2020 23:14:21 GMT
You could even make an interesting twist where they're a little too enthusiastic about it. "We're here to help" whether you like it or not.That strikes me as very much their style! And could make for some interesting stories.
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Post by Hero on Aug 22, 2020 19:02:20 GMT
Really enjoyed Picard and halfway through season 2 of Disco.
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Post by Jim on Aug 23, 2020 22:00:06 GMT
Just caught up with the Delta Flyers episode on Faces - they manage to get almost 2 hours out of it, and that's just the free audio version. They have the chap who played Durst / Sulan on with them, and I was a little surprised to hear he never returned - I haven't seen much of Voyager beyond season one, and I really thought the episode was setting him up to be a recurring villain. That could have been great!
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Post by Bogatan on Aug 23, 2020 22:14:10 GMT
Voyager wasted so many potential reocurring characters.
But they kept trying with the Kazon.
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Post by Toph on Aug 24, 2020 1:07:13 GMT
Voyager in general was ill suited for reoccurring characters. But it seemed to be the wrong ones they kept bringing back.
Instead of the Kazon, I really wish that they had built up with the Telaxian enemy.
They find someone friendly, and relatively equal to them. Then as time goes they discover they have a dark secret. And they finally find out that they were the ones who tried to wipe out the telaxians. (Maybe the telaxians had a different name for them, and neelix had never seen one to recognise?)
Year of Hell, which should have been a season long event, had a fantastic villain who would be a perfect reoccurring character.
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Post by The Doctor on Aug 24, 2020 9:40:22 GMT
Year of Hell was originally pitched as a season-long arc.
-Ralph
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 10, 2020 10:19:30 GMT
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Post by Jim on Sept 10, 2020 10:28:56 GMT
Nice! Still looks a little off, and the sound didn't quite sync up with the video for me. Mostly I hope that these efforts get noticed and we get something official one day, I can't think of many shows from the past 30 years that deserve it more.
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Post by Jim on Sept 10, 2020 10:35:29 GMT
Persisting with my Voyager rewatch, continuing to find it really enjoyable, if occasionally frustrating. Finally a good Kazon episode with Initiations, though I don't think there's anything inherent to the Kazon which made it good.
Twisted was a frustrating one - it starts really well, and keeps it going for about half the episode, then the eventual explanation, etc. was really weak. Felt like it could have been so much better.
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Post by Toph on Sept 10, 2020 11:47:30 GMT
Twisted is the one where the ship keeps warping and changing shape?
If so they I agree. It's like they had the basic idea, fell in love with it, then couldn't really figure out a plausible explanation.
"Aliens attempt to communicate but it effects our reality" as an explanation was kinda done more believably with TNG's Masks. ....and that says a lot.
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 10, 2020 11:59:24 GMT
No! Not Masks!
-Ralph
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Post by Jim on Sept 10, 2020 12:56:43 GMT
Twisted is the one where the ship keeps warping and changing shape? Yes, and they did that part really well. I think the moment the episode turned for the worse was the unintentionally hilarious encounter between Janeway and the energy field. Then when they showed the twisted ship on the monitor it just didn't gel with what had gone before. It just looked like someone had slightly crushed a clay model of the ship, it should have been an insane tangle of corridors and rooms looping about each other, or somehow reminiscent of an Escher print. I thought for a while it would be a stuck-in-the-holodeck thing, given how the episode began. Even that would have been better! Or something to do with Kes's birthday wish, which felt like it should have had a pay-off.
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Post by Jim on Sept 10, 2020 12:58:46 GMT
I quite like Masks! It's silly, but at the same time has some good ideas.
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Sept 10, 2020 17:29:43 GMT
I quite agree.
*moulds clay*
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 10, 2020 17:39:28 GMT
It is by quite some distance the worst TNG, for me.
-Ralph
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