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Post by The Doctor on Oct 3, 2020 10:40:21 GMT
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Oct 3, 2020 10:45:26 GMT
Think it's safe to say getting Roddenberry away from any real creative role in TNG was the best thing they could have done.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Oct 3, 2020 10:48:49 GMT
'Family' is great. It's truly TBOBW Part 3 and makes Parts 1 and 2 matter far more than they would otherwise.
Martin
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Post by The Doctor on Oct 3, 2020 10:58:44 GMT
Think it's safe to say getting Roddenberry away from any real creative role in TNG was the best thing they could have done. He was essentially removed of being a major creative force after or during season 1 (depending on individual recollections). Thereafter he was consulted regularly with Berman running the show. -Ralph
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Oct 3, 2020 11:03:41 GMT
Oh I know, but there you can see what would have happened if he'd still had any clout.
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Post by Toph on Oct 3, 2020 11:12:24 GMT
It's amazing how any of these shows survived, given how many backstage problems the producers (and actors in some cases) seem to have caused.
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Post by Pinwig on Oct 3, 2020 11:15:55 GMT
Yeah, that was the finale of season 3, and the introduction of the Jem'Hadar. They blew up a Galaxy Class ship to show off how strong the Jem'Hadar are. Ah, thanks. I know what I'm aiming for now. I thought I was right with that.
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Post by The Doctor on Oct 3, 2020 13:26:47 GMT
It's amazing how any of these shows survived, given how many backstage problems the producers (and actors in some cases) seem to have caused. Yes. The infamous 'revolving door' of production staff in the first 3 years of TNG is legendary. -Ralph
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Post by Jim on Oct 3, 2020 14:03:57 GMT
Yeah, that was the finale of season 3, and the introduction of the Jem'Hadar. They blew up a Galaxy Class ship to show off how strong the Jem'Hadar are. That was great, but the quieter moment a few minutes later when the Jem’Hadar calmly steps out of the containment field always stuck in my mind more as a display of their power.
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Post by Bogatan on Oct 3, 2020 14:55:41 GMT
It's always nagged at me that I never finished watching DS9. I only got to the end of season 3 back in the day. I'm watching The Emmisary on Netflix in the hope it still holds up and I get further this time. *speechless*
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Post by Bogatan on Oct 3, 2020 15:04:45 GMT
Yes, it was circumstance at the time. It's always been on the to do list to get back to it, but these days it seems "Yeah, I still need to do that" can suddenly be twenty-five years later. Watching it reminded me The Emissary was an odd start to a series, but I really enjoyed it. The amazing thing about Emissary is that literally almost everything in it is used or developed on the show goes on. The dude that Odo arrests along with Nog is possibly the only dead end in the entire pilot. Same goes for most of the first season or two. While very episodic when rewatching its amazing how many later plots and character developments grow out of the tiniest bits of earlier episodes.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Oct 3, 2020 15:21:27 GMT
'Emissary' is one of the few episodes I've seen many times as I once owned it on VHS, but the bit that sticks in my memory most is the Borg battle at the start. It always makes me think that time must travel at a different rate inside Trek ships compared to outside, because whenever battles are viewed from space, ships get destroyed really quickly, whereas when we're inside the ship and interested in the characters they always have a long, long time to get to the escape pods. Or to put it more concisely, red-shirt ships blow up with a single hit, plot-important ships don't.
Martin
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Post by Bogatan on Oct 3, 2020 15:22:23 GMT
The first few seasons are quite vivid for me and I watched episodes multiple times. When it turned into the war show I lost interest a bit and only saw episodes once back in the day when the show was new. I much preferred Voyager when it was running alongside. I've been rewatching season 1 and it holds up. -Ralph I was the opposite. I enjoyed the early seasons, but when Sky One did the daily runs of it I never wanted to rewatch them. But from season 3 or 4 the story arcs crept in and they were new and exciting. Now I appriciate the first two seasons much more. Even if I still find some of them slower than I prefer they are the foundations of what came later so essential viewing and usually great character pieces. Unlike the first two seasons of TNG where the poor episodes can and probably should just be skipped as almost nothing in either season is required to enjoy Season 3 onwards.
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Post by Jim on Oct 3, 2020 22:38:40 GMT
Back in the day, I only saw a few episodes of S1 via the 2-episode VHS releases, and the opening arc of S2. I liked what I saw a lot, and didn't much like what I heard from others about it becoming this ongoing war story. Then I did a big binge watch of season 2 onwards about 2010-11 and absolutely loved it.
It was a war story, but not a glorification of it; I'll never forget that early on in the final arc of season 7 Martok (brilliant character) is laughing with Sisko and the admiral that they'll be drinking blood wine on Cardassia before long, and then in the finale the three of them standing among the ruins, looking absolutely disgusted with everything and pouring the wine away.
I loved B5 when I was a teenager, but once I got into DS9 I found its treatment of war a little more nuanced and more to my taste at the time. It's also often startlingly left-wing by modern standards.
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Post by Toph on Oct 3, 2020 23:03:10 GMT
Kira and Nog have the best character arcs in all of Trek.
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Post by Bogatan on Oct 9, 2020 18:01:07 GMT
Honestly the least developed main or reoccuring character on DS9 probably has a better arc/development than any character in any other Trek.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Oct 9, 2020 18:11:35 GMT
And that would have impressed me no end, if it weren't for the fact that around the same time on another channel the arc/development of characters like Londo, G'Kar and Vir (and Garibaldi and the rest) made the best of DS9 pale in comparison - the result being I never go to Trek for arc/development, just for outstanding individual episodes/movies.
Martin
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Post by Bogatan on Oct 9, 2020 18:23:41 GMT
I'd put Nog, Kira Bashir and O'Brien on par with B5. Probably Sisko, Worf and Dax too.
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Post by Pinwig on Oct 9, 2020 20:39:03 GMT
Earlier today:
"Can anyone name any very famous playwrights?" "Oh yes, I know, William. It's William isn't it?" "You might be right there, William who?" "Oh I know this, it's... It's William Shatner."
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Oct 9, 2020 22:10:01 GMT
I hope this wasn't in the staffroom.
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Post by Bogatan on Oct 10, 2020 5:27:38 GMT
I mean, they weren't exactly wrong.
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Post by Toph on Oct 10, 2020 7:14:53 GMT
I have this hat: I generally wear it everywhere. Either early this year or late last year (time no longer has meaning and things happen whenever they happen) I was at the post office. A woman was staring at my hat for a while, then said to me "I don't think I'm familiar with that school. Where is it?" I almost said it's star trek, but stopped myself. "It's in San Francisco." She asked me what I study. I said I majored in Warp Field Mechanics and minored in Xenobiology." And then spent the next five minutes explaining warp fields and astrophysics, and I'm pretty sure there's an old woman in Seagoville that now thinks we can travel faster than light.
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Post by Pinwig on Oct 10, 2020 13:05:32 GMT
That is a good deed done.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Oct 19, 2020 22:25:37 GMT
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Post by Shockprowl on Oct 21, 2020 16:06:15 GMT
When I was a kid I made a bridge (of my own design) out of card.
Didn't look as good as that though...
It was crewed by my Action Force figures. Destro was the Captain.
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Post by The Doctor on Nov 9, 2020 20:13:31 GMT
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Post by Toph on Nov 9, 2020 20:47:36 GMT
If they hadn't killed him off, he could still turn up in Picard to give Picard hell.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Nov 10, 2020 21:33:23 GMT
TMUK Zoom banter has cost me money by making me buy TNG on Blu-ray.
(From Cardiff HMV, 7 seasons for £80, not bad. Supporting my local shops!)
Martin
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Nov 10, 2020 23:51:55 GMT
A fine choice. You will not be disappointed. Lots of good extras and the remastered HD version of the show is a wonderful thing.
Be sure to watch all the cut scenes for your favourite season 7 episodes. Ralph has enjoyed more Masks than he ever wanted to!
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Post by The Doctor on Nov 11, 2020 7:17:16 GMT
I remember the days when it cost £11 just to get 2 TNG episodes!
-Ralph
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