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Post by elliotthopkins on Mar 14, 2008 12:20:58 GMT
The god like genius of Mr. Fillion will be in the next series of Desperate Housewives.
Score!
Elliott.
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Post by Shockprowl on Mar 14, 2008 13:43:24 GMT
Oh Fantastic! He is the coolest! The coolest since Capt. James T!
Mrs Shockprowl and I are LOVING Firefly. We're pacing ourselves, savouring them. Brilliant acting, characters and stories. Be sorry when we finish the series.
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 14, 2008 17:21:29 GMT
When you finish Firefly,
Allow yourself a cry.
Then watch Serenity,
Of joy there is plenty.
-Ralph
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Post by elliotthopkins on Mar 26, 2008 14:37:43 GMT
ooh, check out the banner ad. You may see Serenity: Better Days #1 from Mr. Whedon.
Elliott.
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 26, 2008 21:38:20 GMT
Read it. Can't remember anything about it.
-Ralph
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Post by Shockprowl on Apr 6, 2008 20:44:17 GMT
Anyone else see Mr. Fillion in Desperate Housewifs? He was as awesome as ever. Loadsa potential for his character ahead. The series got off to a good start.
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Post by Pinwig on Jun 12, 2016 11:25:19 GMT
Right. I may have posted before about how Friday night is retro-rewatch night in my house, which is my way of ploughing through all the DVDs I've bought of shows I wore out VHS tapes of in the past but haven't actually got as far as rewatching on disc because being grown up = no time. So far I've done Alien Nation, Blake's 7, Sapphire and Steel, Randall and Hopkirk and most recently Robin of Sherwood. I'm also slowly watching the original Star Trek in this slot, but that doesn't count as I'm watching those for the first time pretty much.
Currently on a bit of a departure. I tried to watch Firefly years ago but didn't get past the second episode, but I've decided that as I now even have 12 year old kids at school telling me Firefly is a cult classic and I can't call myself a sci-fi fan if I haven't watched it (no, really. Some parents have a lot to answer for), I would have a second go at watching it and keep with it.
Watched the pilot then. Nnnnnggghghghghhh! why is this so liked? As far as I can see that was 90 minutes of people talking very seriously at each other and a man in a long coat being grumpy.
I don't get it! Why is this brilliant?! I have committed myself to another 13 weeks of this and it's bobbins! In modern terms it feels like a boring version of Defiance.
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Post by blueshift on Jun 12, 2016 12:50:37 GMT
It took me two goes to get into, but I liked it. Very Blakes-7y though, down to nicking dialogue and sequences. Didn't like the film.
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Post by KnightBeat on Jun 12, 2016 12:56:42 GMT
A cult classic doesn't have to be good. It just has to be fashionable to like it. I'd be interested to know if the 12 year old has actually watched Firefly in its entirety.
Firefly is generally well-regarded, but I never saw the appeal. Joss Whedon had done great things with Buffy and Angel, but Firefly didn't have the same spark. It has some nice ideas, good performances and reasonable effects but the slow pace and some stilted dialogue made it difficult to watch for me. Many people consider the slow pace to be one of the shows highlights - it contributes the shows atmosphere and supports character development - but I just found it dull.
I have a theory that much of its appeal stems from Joss Whedon's involvement and its cancellation. People were desperate to watch a new Joss Whedon show after Angel's cancellation, which automatically gave the show kudos (and continues to this day, given that JW's movie work makes him a recognisable name). Firefly's subsequent cancellation only enhanced its appeal. It had potential that would now be unrealised, forcing audiences to re-watch existing episodes and imagine how it would have developed. It's by no means a bad show. It's certainly better than many other sci-fi shows of the time (try watching Crusade, the Babylon 5 spin-off), but I don't think it's the classic that many people consider it.
Right, can someone explain why they love Firefly?
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 12, 2016 12:57:37 GMT
It's better than Star Cops!
-Ralph
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Jun 12, 2016 22:34:14 GMT
Took me two attempts to get into Firefly. And really it was only after episode 3 or 4 I could see why people liked it.
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Post by Pinwig on Jun 12, 2016 22:40:25 GMT
It's better than Star Cops! -Ralph I can no longer trust anything Ralph says. |
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Post by Pinwig on Jun 12, 2016 22:40:52 GMT
Took me two attempts to get into Firefly. And really it was only after episode 3 or 4 I could see why people liked it. This gives me some hope at least. Episode two on Friday. |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jun 12, 2016 22:45:50 GMT
It's better than Star Cops! -Ralph I can no longer trust anything Ralph says. How long has it taken you to realise this? |
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Post by Pinwig on Jun 12, 2016 22:52:44 GMT
Good point.
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Post by Bogatan on Jun 13, 2016 5:16:27 GMT
Firefly is brilliant. End of discussion.
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Post by Bogatan on Jun 13, 2016 5:40:10 GMT
Or not. The pilot is a bit of an anomaly. It was filmed and the network didnt like it. Really really didnt like it. So much so that they didnt broadcast it in the US.
episode 2, the train job essentially became the pilot and was the first episode broadcast. Mal becomes much less grumpy and the tone of the episode is a bit lighter. Despite the fact the original pilot does all the setting up and things a pilot should do The Train Job is a much better introduction to the series.
Then again I might think that because I watched the original run on us tv so I didnt see the pilot or unbroadcast episodes at the end of the series till the dvd came out. That gave me plenty of time to watch the tapes I recorded and get used to the original running order.
I dont think ive ever fallen in love with a show as quickly as i did with Firefly, maybe gilmore girls and the joy of painting, so I genuinely am stumped when I people say they dont like it . Whatever faults and failures they see, im blind too or they are simply delusional.
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Post by Bogatan on Jun 13, 2016 6:24:07 GMT
A cult classic doesn't have to be good. It just has to be fashionable to like it. I'd be interested to know if the 12 year old has actually watched Firefly in its entirety. Firefly is generally well-regarded, but I never saw the appeal. Joss Whedon had done great things with Buffy and Angel, but Firefly didn't have the same spark. It has some nice ideas, good performances and reasonable effects but the slow pace and some stilted dialogue made it difficult to watch for me. Many people consider the slow pace to be one of the shows highlights - it he shows atmosphere and supports character development - but I just found it dull. I have a theory that much of its appeal stems from Joss Whedon's involvement and its cancellation. People were desperate to watch a new Joss Whedon show after Angel's cancellation, which automatically gave the show kudos (and continues to this day, given that JW's movie work makes him a recognisable name). Firefly's subsequent cancellation only enhanced its appeal. It had potential that would now be unrealised, forcing audiences to re-watch existing episodes and imagine how it would have developed. It's by no means a bad show. It's certainly better than many other sci-fi shows of the time (try watching Crusade, the Babylon 5 spin-off), but I don't think it's the classic that many people consider it. Right, can someone explain why they love Firefly? Its a good theory, but the timeline doesnt work (except for late comers) firefly was cancelled before buffy and way before angel. buffy finished may 2003 6 months after fireflys last primetime us airdate and angel was cancelled a full year later in may 2004. basically all the stuff you found boring is what i loved about it. Its pace was perfect for strong character developement. the casting was pretty amazing to which helps. i agree to a point about the cancellation giving it kudos. But i think the reason so many of us were upset about the cancellation wasnt the potential for what it could have become, but for what it already was, Iit found its feet in record time. I love buffy and angel, but the first 13 episodes of both were shaky, in fact almost no show hits the ground running Like firefly did, not when it has to do that much world building. TNG took a couple of years, DS9 too. Voyager never stopped tripping over its untied shoelaces. fringe, breaking bad, arrow, legends of tomorrow Pretty much any show with an unusual set up spends Iits early days trying to figure itself out. Firefly did that in the original pilot, but watching The Train Job it already felt like I was watching a show 2 or 3 years in. Discounting shows based on existing media and spin offs the only scifi shows since firefly that arguably started out as strongly are Lost, Heroes and Prison Break, which addmittedly dont help the argument against its early cancellation. Serenity wasnt perfect, but at a time when cancelled shows just vanished without resolution you couldnt ask for more than a beautifully shot 2 hour show that did Iits best to wrap up as much of the first year or two of story arc as it could. plus without Serenity making whedon a film director we wouldnt have quite the same MCU we have today. |
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Post by Pinwig on Jun 13, 2016 6:25:05 GMT
This is heartening to hear. Perhaps last time I tried this it was only the pilot I watched. I'll go into episode two open minded!
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Post by Dezzeh on Jun 13, 2016 7:31:26 GMT
Hmm, maybe I should also try episode 2, having never made it beyond the pilot. I mostly enjoyed Serenity, though it wasn't without its downsides.
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 13, 2016 8:17:43 GMT
If you like a show, watch it. If you don't like a show stop watching it. Life is too short.
-Ralph
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Post by Pinwig on Jun 13, 2016 15:37:26 GMT
But how do you know if you like it if you don't watch it?
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 13, 2016 17:03:11 GMT
Well if something doesn't look at all like my cup of tea I don't watch it, but then I rarely watch TV shows at all.
-Ralph
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Post by blueshift on Jun 13, 2016 17:18:28 GMT
See, the thing is there's a lot of shows that I think I'd hate but try out anyway and end up loving (Daredevil, Game of Thrones, Breaking Bad)
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Post by Bogatan on Jun 13, 2016 19:09:36 GMT
While theres no point watching a show you dont like theres factors as too how long I give them. Dollhouse will never be my favourite series but as a Whedon show I stuck with it for longer than I might have and by the end of season 1 was really enjoying it. One day I need to watch season 2. (I have a bad habit of stopping watching programmes if I already know they have been axed. )
Theres also word of mouth. No way would I have stuck with Steven Universe if Matt and Jetty weren't both saying it got amazing after a really bad start.
Breaking Bad I might have given up on during season 1 (in fact I did when first shown in the UK) but the ridiculously positive view of it by the time it finished convinced me to go back to it. I really disliked SG1 for a little while for some reason.
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Post by Pinwig on Jun 13, 2016 19:11:05 GMT
I quite liked Dollhouse. The premise was a bit icky initially, but by the end I had got quite involved with it.
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Post by Bogatan on Jun 13, 2016 19:20:24 GMT
Hmm, maybe I should also try episode 2, having never made it beyond the pilot. I mostly enjoyed Serenity, though it wasn't without its downsides. This is heartening to hear. Perhaps last time I tried this it was only the pilot I watched. I'll go into episode two open minded! The pilot, called Serenity same as the movie that ended the series oddly, was a double episode so yeha you might not have made it to The Train Job. If you've already seen the pilot then I'd suggest skipping the rewatch and go straight in to the series proper. If you still arent sold after an episode or two then I guess its not going to be your thing as it didnt have long enough to evolve in to anything else. |
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Post by Bogatan on Jun 13, 2016 19:23:23 GMT
I quite liked Dollhouse. The premise was a bit icky initially, but by the end I had got quite involved with it. Yeah thats pretty much how I was with it, I just never quite grew to love it the way I have with Whedons other shows. If I remember correctly maybe in part because of the concept it seemed to be more about the story than the characters. Its over due a complete viewing. |
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Post by Pinwig on Jun 13, 2016 20:41:14 GMT
If you've already seen the pilot then I'd suggest skipping the rewatch and go straight in to the series proper. If you still arent sold after an episode or two then I guess its not going to be your thing as it didn't have long enough to evolve in to anything else. Oh I started again on Saturday. I made the missus watch the 90 minute pilot. I don't think she was too impressed, but we're both waiting to be wowed. I remembered it quite well, but oddly this time the Defiance vibe it gave me made me slightly more accepting of it. |
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Post by legios on Jun 14, 2016 10:34:01 GMT
I quite liked Dollhouse. The premise was a bit icky initially, but by the end I had got quite involved with it. The premise is supposed to be horrific. I liked the original unaired pilot which played up the "we can give you your perfect manic pixie dream girl for a price" and then delved deeper into what kind of people would think that the implications of that were ok. Something that the first season of the series delved into more and more as it went on. Didn't get very far into the second season though - the end of the first season hit so many of the necessary notes on a narrative and ideas level that I felt like it had nowhere left to go. I think Firefly is a bit marmite. People will either like it nor they won't, and I don't see that it is a problem if people don't like it. (Other Space Shows are available). For me the appeal was that I quite like westerns, and the set-up of "what do you do when you fought for the side that lost the Civil War/American Revolution, what now?" felt like an interesting one. The other was that the other main strand of it - you have washed up here with only so many marketable skills (violence, make space ship go, sew up people who get hurt), and a need to stay one step ahead of whatever you are trying to leave behind - how do you keep your head above water, and what sort of trouble does that attract? - is the classic set-up for the Traveller roleplaying game, and seeing as I have a fondness for Traveller it caught my attention on that level. The film is ok, but doesn't float my boat in the same way as the series does. It lacks that "new day, new planet, new trouble" feel to it. But as Ralph says, if you don't enjoy a series then don't watch it. There is no point in forcing yourself to watch something you don't get enjoyment from just because other people do. Life is too short to worry about whether or not you are properly consuming the things that the intertubes tell you to. Karl |
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