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Post by The Doctor on Feb 24, 2018 20:25:55 GMT
I think she just wants to start. I previously advised on Star Trek novels.
-Ralph
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Post by blueshift on Feb 24, 2018 20:29:27 GMT
If Gav reminds me around TFN time I have a big stack of new series paperbacks to offload on someone helpless
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Post by Philip Ayres on Feb 24, 2018 20:29:48 GMT
Are we talking adaptations or original novels?
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Post by The Doctor on Feb 24, 2018 20:31:26 GMT
Both. I was trying to suggest novels in print or easy to get second hand that don't require much prior knowledge and are self contained.
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Feb 24, 2018 20:49:13 GMT
The Burning and it's follow ons might be good.
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Post by The Doctor on Feb 25, 2018 10:10:13 GMT
No no no. That was when the 8th Doc books went to panshite and led to a change in frequency as readers left the series in droves!
-Ralph
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Post by legios on Feb 25, 2018 17:42:10 GMT
Hmmm. If Alien Bodies goes down well I'd argue that Interference Book 1 & 2 go quite nicely with that. I'm inclined to say that "Adventuress of Henrietta Street" is one of the finest parts of the BBC Books era, but I'm not sure that it is suited as a starting place.
Hmm. I'm inclined to agree that some of the Classic Target novelisations should probably be in there for comparison. State of Decay perhaps? Because Space Vampires?
Karl
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Post by The Doctor on Feb 25, 2018 18:16:21 GMT
Ugh. The new Target style books were promoted on the DW FB feed. First few posts I saw were disgusting anti-women rants before I quickly scrolled away. This has been a problem with online DW chat since a female Doctor was cast and it dismays and angers me. It's perfectly alright for fans to say they are unsure about it as the part has been male for 50-odd years. That's fine. I don't agree though I understand that point of view but there is so much vile stuff being spewed about women in general online hooked on discussion about the new Doctor that it makes me sick. I had thought we had moved past putting women down in society. I ejected fairly quickly from online Star Trek fandom discussions when the same bile was spewed when the new incarnation was announced to have a female lead. This boggles me even more as the thing that unites DW and ST is that at their core they have a liberal and inclusive ethos.
I haven't seen this kind of nonsense with SW fans. The current film trilogy has a female lead and this appears to have been universally accepted.
-Ralph
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Feb 25, 2018 18:31:19 GMT
Alien Bodies is a good one (it got me back into Who)
Unnatural History as it revisits sort of the McGann movie is a not bad shout.
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Feb 25, 2018 18:57:37 GMT
Oh you have missed the Star Wars fans then...for Rey was not universally accepted. There were still douchebags about.
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Post by blueshift on Feb 25, 2018 19:03:33 GMT
1 - Hated Rey because she's an awful nothing character who is a giant Mary Sue
2 - Hated Rey because she is a woman.
#1 is perfectly legitimate criticism. #2 is not. But everyone who raised any sort of voice automatically got lumped into #2.
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Feb 25, 2018 19:04:25 GMT
Rey is no more a giant Mary Sue than Luke Skywalker was to be fair.
Andy
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Post by blueshift on Feb 25, 2018 19:09:49 GMT
You could probably argue that in Star Wars (but no more so than any other leading hero of that era, though he's not like he beat Darth Vader in the end in a fight) but not by Empire, a film which he spends getting the sh*t kicked out of him and then losing.
I just dislike characters who are too perfect and good at everything. It smacks of desperate writing where the writer is too insecure and thinks that people won't like the hero unless they're 100% great. (To drag it back to the Dr Who thread format, this is the same reason Moffat fails to write humans most of the time)
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 18, 2018 19:11:03 GMT
Got the Ken Dodd Arena on. At the start of the sequence of him in the book shop there's a pile of Target novels on the front of the stack of books he's looking at!  |
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 18, 2018 22:08:14 GMT
How did you spot that when they are out of focus???!!!
-Ralph
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 18, 2018 22:21:53 GMT
Andu has been reminded that he has not read SPIRAL SCRATCH by Gary Russell. It is out of print and seems to go for silly money. Alas, my copy is long gone so I cannot help him.
Can anyone assist our chum?
-Ralph
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Post by blueshift on Mar 18, 2018 22:38:31 GMT
This reminds me that I have still not read my copy!!!
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 18, 2018 22:41:25 GMT
Get on it!!!
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 18, 2018 22:52:46 GMT
How did you spot that when they are bot in focus???!!! -Ralph Top and bottom ones are rare colours for DW spines. Not many green spines ones either, did think it might be twin dilemma. 2nd one down is a Malcolm Hulke, you can see the author's name, so that was a process of eliminations. Others could be anything. You agree they're Target though? |
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 18, 2018 22:53:44 GMT
They're...they're...too out of focus to tell!
-Ralph
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Post by Pinwig on Mar 18, 2018 23:04:25 GMT
Bottom one looks like The Ark in Space. That had the unusual yellow surround on the cover. The light blue one in the middle says Visitation to me.
The green one in the middle is The Rescue, and the odd orange and yellow one on the top could be Terminus or Full Circle.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 19, 2018 11:01:34 GMT
Fourth one down is Dr Who And The Mutants (abbreviation intentional!)
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 21, 2018 21:00:02 GMT
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 21, 2018 21:03:52 GMT
THE PIRATE PLANET and DOCTOR WHO AND THE KRIKKITMEN plucked from the library to go in the reading pile!
-Ralph
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Post by Pinwig on Mar 21, 2018 21:17:37 GMT
I liked The Pirate Planet. Krikkitmen is also in my to read pile.
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Mar 28, 2018 9:33:54 GMT
Snagged one of the printer overstocks of A Second Target For Tommy.
There is a tale which includes The Valeyard. Thus making it a really good book.
Andy
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 30, 2018 18:17:55 GMT
Not getting on at all with The Pirate Planet. The authorial voice is far, far too knowing and 'nudge nudge wink wink' in terms of bending 'the 4th wall' (yes I know it's prose but it's how it comes across). No paragraph can pass without this kind of nonsense. By the time lyrics from Girls Aloud appeared I wanted to throw the book against the wall. Also reads like the adventures of Tom Baker rather than the 4th Doctor. The TV serial is bonkers enough. Needed a more straightforward adaptation to work in print. Glad it is a library loan! I usually quite enjoy Goss' work but not keen this time.  -Ralph |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Apr 6, 2018 11:22:45 GMT
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Post by The Doctor on Apr 9, 2018 21:05:17 GMT
Is this a real thing or an April Fool?
-Ralph
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Post by Pinwig on Apr 9, 2018 21:20:15 GMT
The book is a real thing. An amazing freebie.
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