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Post by grahamthomson on Jan 12, 2010 11:39:24 GMT
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Jan 12, 2010 12:56:20 GMT
Hmm. Jetfire appears to have also grown a new personality since we saw him. Is HotRoditus catching?
And Ultra Magnus still (thankfully) seems to have arrived from a far better comic to sort things out.
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Post by charlesrocketboy on Jan 12, 2010 16:54:20 GMT
And Ultra Magnus still (thankfully) seems to have arrived from a far better comic to sort things out. Yeah, that's an unfortunate bit - Magnus arriving shows that sides still exist, there's still an infrastructure and a space fleet, that off-world Autobots know what's going on... The entire plot requires the Transformers to be stuck on Earth, cut off and with nothing to do, but clearly that's not the case. Ehwha?
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Post by Dave on Jan 12, 2010 17:55:19 GMT
Jetfire is called Geoff now. Cool!
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Post by bertie on Jan 12, 2010 18:50:25 GMT
Is that Seaspray on the last page?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2010 19:47:25 GMT
Where exactly does the Bumblebee mini series fit into all this? This issue mentions the restraints the humans have put on the TF's from issue 1 of the Bumblebee mini but this issue follows directly on from issue 2 of the Ongoing. The only place where issue 1 of Bumblebee fits is near the end of issue 2 of the Ongoing before Ultra Magnus shows up even though the restraints aren't on them at that point. This is starting to get confusing.
And I notice they're still putting the name tags on the characters except Seaspray presumably because the writer couldn't remember his name at the time.
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Post by dinogrrl on Jan 13, 2010 1:37:10 GMT
And Ultra Magnus still (thankfully) seems to have arrived from a far better comic to sort things out. Yeah, that's an unfortunate bit - Magnus arriving shows that sides still exist, there's still an infrastructure and a space fleet, that off-world Autobots know what's going on... The entire plot requires the Transformers to be stuck on Earth, cut off and with nothing to do, but clearly that's not the case. Ehwha? You've hit the nail on the head of what's bothering me so much about this comic. The underlying and essential to the storyline premise that the war is over and that factions don't really matter anymore. The powers that be try to imply that was how things were at the end of AHM, but I call poppycock, because that's not how the end of AHM read at all. So now we're supposed to buy that the war is over enough that on Earth all the giant robots are able to be buddies now? Either this is going to get really OOC or there's a blindingly obvious 'betrayal' awaiting Hot Rod on behalf of his new Con allies. I'd be more interested to see the Bots and Cons stay separated, but continue to schism into their own little subgroups with their own goals, and how such break down of each larger faction affects the conduct of a massive war. This is sort of what Costa is doing but then he goes and stretches things with the whole "THERE ARE NO FACTIONS" shtick, which I just can't buy. And then there's the whole issue of getting off planet. If Omega Supreme doesn't want to leave and it's so hard for Hot Rod et al to get off planet that they have to team up with Cons, then how did the Wreckers get off planet? Maybe Nick will address this in LSoTW, but as it stands, it punches a credibility hole into the Ongoing. I don't know where Costa is trying to take this. Either the next couple of issues will make a turn for really interesting or it'll just prance off into WTF territory completely.
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Post by Kingoji on Jan 13, 2010 6:39:38 GMT
Where exactly does the Bumblebee mini series fit into all this? This issue mentions the restraints the humans have put on the TF's from issue 1 of the Bumblebee mini but this issue follows directly on from issue 2 of the Ongoing. The only place where issue 1 of Bumblebee fits is near the end of issue 2 of the Ongoing before Ultra Magnus shows up even though the restraints aren't on them at that point. This is starting to get confusing. I think that the restraints Hot Rod mentions are the ones Skywatch used on Prowl and Breakdown in issue one. before that issue was ended, Wheeljack had developed something to counteract them. So I would say that by issue three, the Bumblebee mini has not yet begun.
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Post by grahamthomson on Jan 13, 2010 8:54:44 GMT
Cor, just imagine if we were all online during the Marvel days. Marvel UK would publish a story that references a yet-to-be-printed Marvel US story... and Earthforce would start mentioning "upcoming US stories"... think of the fun we could have had!
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Post by andrewbcalculating on Jan 13, 2010 9:57:14 GMT
I agree with Dinogrrl that Hot Rod is going to be the victim of an obvious betrayal and I'm guessing it will take place when Megatron shows up where in he splits up the Hot Rod inspired utopian Autobot-Decepticon union.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2010 10:36:08 GMT
We all know that this whole thing is going to end with Optimus Prime coming back into the fold and resuming leadership of the Autobots (this will probably happen in issue 4 of the Bumblebee mini which will then confirm where in the ongoing this story fits because it will be referenced in the Ongoing). I'm guessing that Bumblebee will consider himself a weak leader and hand everything over to Ultra Magnus who, in true 1986 animated movie fashion, will consider himself not worthy and hand the reins over to Optimus Prime when the humans give Prime back to the Autobots after the arrival of Megatron or some other such Decepticon who will lead the Decepticons.
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Post by primenova on Jan 13, 2010 12:52:46 GMT
And I notice they're still putting the name tags on the characters except Seaspray presumably because the writer couldn't remember his name at the time. He does look rotorbot like.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2010 23:03:16 GMT
Quick question, did Prime defect as Ultra Magnus infers or did Prime surrender?
The factions thing seems out of necessity. The Transformers are surrounded by Earthlings out to kill them. It's an issue of survival. On the other hand, Earth is a minor skirmish compared with the overall Transformers Civil War.
What really bothers me is the humans are the villains. Spike is a complete waist of humanity supported by unsympathetic axillary characters. Even the original series had G.B. Blackrock.
Artwise, the layouts are awful. Where is the background detail? Couldn't the illustrator pan back a little? The designs are growing on me but could be more stream lined.
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Post by dinogrrl on Jan 14, 2010 3:48:32 GMT
Yeah, the art feels very claustrophobic.
Also - how did Magnus know what was happening? Who called him in? I believe both he and some of the other Autobots consider Prime's action a 'defection', while certainly it is meant to be a surrender.
And yes, I'd like to know what the deal is with making out humans to be the new Bad Guys. I vaguely remember some interview response or other in which IDW talked about Spike like he was going to be a sympathetic and likeable character and all I can think now is NO. No, I would, in fact, like to have him stepped on.
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Post by blueshift on Jan 14, 2010 9:02:15 GMT
So is the war really supposed to be over? I guess that is what confuses me most about this book. Did more stuff happen inbetween this and AHM?
Also if the entire war is over and there are no sides and all the Autobots are on Earth, who is Magnus investigating on behalf of that would care what Optimus did? Maybe it will be explained in-book though.
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Post by grahamthomson on Jan 14, 2010 9:38:41 GMT
So is the war really supposed to be over? I guess that is what confuses me most about this book. Did more stuff happen inbetween this and AHM? I hope so! It's been three years between AHM and this. I'm sure a Continuum 2 will be along soon to clear fuck things up.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2010 10:42:56 GMT
Noooo! Not a Continuum 2!
Where did Ultra Magnus actually come from anyway? You can't take his previous appearances in IDW stories as canon in this Ongoing story because Continuum threw all of those out the window to clear the way for the Ongoing.
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Post by primenova on Jan 14, 2010 10:51:50 GMT
He could be the Marvel Ultra Magnus who used Spanners space bridge to travel to Earth to find Galvatron [explain why he disappeared after #171] & doesn't turn up until this issue in a new body.
I'll not post on IDW boards incase they decide to turn that into a mini series & get Shane to write it by having it happen off panel.
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Post by dinogrrl on Jan 15, 2010 4:12:18 GMT
As someone on the AllSpark boards said - the war is over because Costa says it is. If you ignore all but the biggest features of AHM and just go with that assumption, the story probably works better.
Unfortunately for me I like minutae and it bugs the crap out of me when important story details feel like they've been left out - like where the hell did Magnus come from? This isn't something that should be explained three issues from now, it should be there when he bloody shows up.
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Post by grahamthomson on Jan 15, 2010 11:49:42 GMT
I would like to see a story, with Magnus being a kind of unaligned police officer, in which he literally did nothing to help the Autobots when they were all slaughtered (off-panel) at the beginning of AHM.
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Post by primenova on Jan 15, 2010 12:42:11 GMT
Saying the following with still searching for Max Dino #2,3
Wasn't the last time we saw Magnus was him leaving Earth with Grimlock. The other Dinobots left on Earth.
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Post by charlesrocketboy on Jan 15, 2010 13:12:30 GMT
As someone on the AllSpark boards said - the war is over because Costa says it is. So what are the Wreckers doing?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2010 15:08:27 GMT
They're fighting an altogether different war in a completely different continuity from the one we're seeing in the Ongoing. So there!
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Post by dinogrrl on Jan 16, 2010 2:07:33 GMT
As someone on the AllSpark boards said - the war is over because Costa says it is. So what are the Wreckers doing? Having a Sexy Party. IN SPACE. *cue Benny Hill music*
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Jan 16, 2010 20:29:11 GMT
According to the inside cover this issue is set after Wreckers #1 but before Bumblebee #1. So basically IDW have been releasing their new storyline in just about the most unhelpful way possible.
Again I'm in two minds over both this issue and the current IDW storyline. Ultra Magnus rocks in this issue but increasingly the way he is written just makes the rest of the storyline look shabby and frankly populated by immature two dimensional pillocks. Spike especially included.
Like Omega in the last issue Prime in this issue also appears to be from the same parallel universe of quality characterisation and purpose that Magnus has come from.
Unfortunately Spike talks to him. Fortunately Prime tells him to spin on it. Spike has a huff. Dun dun duuuhhhh!
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Post by Kingoji on Jan 16, 2010 21:28:49 GMT
More people need to say "Spin on it". It's one of those wonderful phrases that no-one seems to use anymore. Like "Kick his head in". Or "I'll bloody well thump you so hard!".
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2010 22:53:25 GMT
Spin on it!
Is that good enough for you?
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Post by Kingoji on Jan 16, 2010 23:10:23 GMT
I'm gonna bloody thump you.
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Jan 16, 2010 23:13:44 GMT
Prime doesn't actually say 'spin on it' - I was more paraphrasing his conversation with Spike (kick his head in).
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Post by dinogrrl on Jan 18, 2010 0:17:36 GMT
According to the inside cover this issue is set after Wreckers #1 but before Bumblebee #1. So basically IDW have been releasing their new storyline in just about the most unhelpful way possible. Ah, well then, at least the Wreckers' escape from Earth will likely be covered in LSoTW #1. The timing with Bumblebee has been awkward, given that as far as I can remember, there's been bugger all indication in Bumblebee series itself as to where it's sitting timeline-wise. I'm guessing the complaints have gotten through, thus the note in this issue. I would have thought they would learn about timing of main and side series from the whole AHM/Max Dinos/various Spotlights last year, but apparently not.
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