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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2010 7:55:56 GMT
I can't help but wonder what they do with the extracted spark. How is it stored?
And more importantly, if this is seen by some as more merciful than leaving them in their bodies', why is Overlord extracting them? Could they be put to some use, possibly towards overthrowing Megatron somehow?
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Apr 1, 2010 10:31:00 GMT
A nasty thought just occurs to me....
The promo stuff says 'one of these robots will die...' and one does and we assume that's it.... but at the end we see several other popular lifeless bodies slumped about in a room remarked 'extinction chamber'...
James and Nick wouldn't would they? Surely not...?
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Post by grahamthomson on Apr 1, 2010 12:03:16 GMT
I am actually now dreading getting through issues 4 and 5 of this.
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Post by KnightBeat on Apr 1, 2010 20:43:37 GMT
I can't help but wonder what they do with the extracted spark. How is it stored? They store them in a sParking Lot. Thank you! Thank you! Try the veal. |
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Post by legios on Apr 1, 2010 21:16:51 GMT
A nasty thought just occurs to me.... The promo stuff says 'one of these robots will die...' and one does and we assume that's it.... but at the end we see several other popular lifeless bodies slumped about in a room remarked 'extinction chamber'... James and Nick wouldn't would they? Surely not...? "One of these robots will die..." is not an exclusive statement. It say nothing about whether the other robots will live or die. So it would remain true - if redundant - even if they all die....... But to #3. My overriding impression of this issue is of impetus. Splitting the Autobot cast into two groups and dropping both into their own brands of ever-deepending trouble allows the screws to be progressively tightened as the issue goes on. It also allows a structure of switching back and forth between the two groups in the present, and the two years previous time-frame, every few pages - which adds to the developing sense of urgency. It really quite deftly creates a sense of events unfolding ever more rapidly. This is the point in the story where the general rules of this sort of narrative demand that things start to go wrong - and this issue delivers that in spades. There is a real sense of the plan unravelling as the Wreckers find themselves separated and off-target, and heavily out-gunned. This issue really feels like a "widescreen action movie", complete with a lengthening bodycount. Fortunately there is still time for some nice character moments. Guzzle's exchange with Kup is a nice call-back to Spotlight:Kup, reminding us that whilst we might be willing to accept the trade of a few nobodies for a known character like Kup the nobodies - and their friends - might not see it as such as a good trade. Poor Ironfist gets a bit of character-spotlight time too. I do feel rather sorry for Ironfist here - he thought he was in a bloodless 80's action-adventure story but he seems to have mistaken his genre completely, and faced with the reality of the Wreckers way of war it seems to be more than his mind can take. I think the reason that this works for me is that Ironfist has been built up as a genuinely likeable character and so it means more to see him break under the stress. The art for this issue maintains the standard of the previous two issues, and a particular success is that Nick Roche and Guido Guidi's work feels like it blends well together, avoiding any sense of discontinuity that can sometimes derail a book when there are two artists involved. The panel layouts are very nice throughout as well, reinforcing the sense of the story as a kinetic action piece. The occasional use of overlapping panels, and panels that seem to push out the frame of the page is noteable - reinforcing a sense of fluidity to things without being overused and feeling "tricksy". We even get two solid cliffhangers - a "what is it" and a "how can he survive", just to ratchet up the tension another notch at the end of the issue. I guess what I am saying is that I thoroughly enjoyed issue 3 and am more than a little looking forward to issue 4........ Karl |
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Post by charlesrocketboy on Apr 2, 2010 0:45:28 GMT
The thing with Ironfist is that his blackouts, the fact he just managed to turn up, and his angry "Don't you DARE talk to me about death" sure make it sound like there's more to him than just a somewhat naive hobbyist. What's he not telling anyone?
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Post by dinogrrl on Apr 2, 2010 5:08:14 GMT
A nasty thought just occurs to me.... The promo stuff says 'one of these robots will die...' and one does and we assume that's it.... but at the end we see several other popular lifeless bodies slumped about in a room remarked 'extinction chamber'... James and Nick wouldn't would they? Surely not...? Why not? But let's put it this way, it's not going to happen off-panel, at least, not to those two. I assumed they were still unconscious from earlier. |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Apr 2, 2010 6:56:57 GMT
Uh-oh! The IDW issue #3 thread has been stalled on page 18 since Wednesday due to someone throwing He-Man's furry pants into the discussion. The mad fools!
Martin
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Post by Rich on Apr 3, 2010 16:12:34 GMT
It's been a long week and a half of not reading this thread, but as I finally got my hands on a copy yesterday my agony has ended.
Please mind the spoilers between the review and the reader.
I've only read the issue once, and again, it was while drunk, so not I’m sure how valid my judgments are, but I will say that I thought that the killing, following on so closely from one of the funniest lines ever printed in a TF comic (only Matt D, really has any claim to better), was truly shocking, even though it's what I'm always screaming at villains to do: just kill the good guys while you have the chance!
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Post by Rich on Apr 3, 2010 18:06:15 GMT
Just reread issues 2 and 3, and number 3 was even better while sober!
My favourite thing on second reading was the story of Twin Twist's shoulder wound - I just love how James and Nick used it in an understated way to reveal character (TT and Springer), the mechanics of how the Wreckers operate, and progress the jumpstarter subplot; top stuff.
I also think not revealing Aequitas was a spot on decision; tension is nothing other than an answer delayed, and comics tend to blow their load on a last page reveal. That said, I would have reversed the last two pages as, to me anyway, the Aequitas story is more intriguing than the fact that Overlord is going to do something nasty to his prisoners, which doesn’t come as a big surprise.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Apr 4, 2010 6:19:46 GMT
So many people on different forums are curious as to who/what Aequitas is, and making guesses from Quintessons to Centurion to giant Fortress Maximus, all assuming that it is going to be something they've seen before. People are so used to characters new to the IDW universe being characters they have seen appear in other versions of Transformers that they automatically assume they are going to recognise the next one - even though he has an unfamiliar name.
I would be so impressed if Aequitas turned out to be someone as new to Transformers as the name - something completely invented by Nick and James rather than just the latest concept to be re-used from a previous continuity. I'd love to see everyone who has been guessing who/what Aequitas is to be left scratching their heads and going, "Well, how were we supposed to guess that? We've never seen it before." And James and Nick's reply - "Who ever said you were supposed to be able to guess, or that it wouldn't be something new?"
I'd love to find TF comics throwing the fandom into confusion at some point by doing something brilliant and unfamiliar that instead of producing the reaction, "This is what I wanted from Transformers," rather "This _isn't_ what I wanted from Transformers because it never crossed my mind as a possibility before - this is so much better!"
Fingers crossed - preferably that this happens with Aequitas, or if not, that it happens with Nick and James' next project, once LSOTW has got the trusting fandom eating out of their hands...
Martin
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Post by Kingoji on Apr 4, 2010 8:00:05 GMT
The thing with Ironfist is that his blackouts, the fact he just managed to turn up, and his angry "Don't you DARE talk to me about death" sure make it sound like there's more to him than just a somewhat naive hobbyist. What's he not telling anyone? My brother has postulated that Ironfist is somehow Hunter O'nion. They are both geeks, they are both brilliant, they are both fanboys. Ironfist has been 'bored out of his mind' on Kimia, the station which has been producing all the revolutionary scientific breakthroughs, including the transplanting of Kup's mind into his new 'Pretender' body. Maybe after AHM, Hunter's body was secretly taken to Kimia, and his mind, now part cybernetic, transplanted into the body of Ironfist and he has been kept there so long for observation, not allowed to leave or do much of anything, which is how he got into his Wreckers fan-boy hobby. His black-outs might be related to an inability for his human and Cybertronian minds to properly mesh. Maybe he has no memory of being Hunter, and that's partly why he blacks out. And he might be overly sensitive of death because it already happened to him. Twice arguably. Isn't theorizing fun? |
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Post by Rich on Apr 4, 2010 8:36:32 GMT
Interesting theory...not sure I buy it though. It would, though, explain Verity's place in the story.
I don't mind if Aequitas is new or old (although I agree new and unexpected is often better: see Morrison on X-Men), but I do hope it's not Fort Max's body, and I especially hope that Verity doesn't become part of him - that just doesn't appeal.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2010 12:16:03 GMT
Ben's theory on Hunter being Ironfist is interesting. I'd personally like to see that happen - and then watch the IDW boards explode over the revelation.
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Post by Mark_Stevenson on Apr 4, 2010 13:25:56 GMT
I really can't wait for issue 4...
Mx
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Post by blueshift on Apr 4, 2010 15:14:38 GMT
Ben's theory on Hunter being Ironfist is interesting. I'd personally like to see that happen - and then watch the IDW boards explode over the revelation. As fun as that would be, I don't think that'll happen. There's not been any setup for it in the issues themselves. |
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Post by charlesrocketboy on Apr 5, 2010 0:49:15 GMT
Aequitas is almost certainly something new considering... well, new name. Though it's apparently something you can recognise on sight (if you're a TF), that's dangerous, that's massive, and that makes Impactor sad. Maybe it's related to the last mission Impactor was on, the one where he went "too far"? My brother has postulated that Ironfist is somehow Hunter O'nion. They are both geeks, they are both brilliant, they are both fanboys. Now I'm going to be upset when this doesn't happen! |
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Post by legios on Apr 5, 2010 18:40:22 GMT
The thing with Ironfist is that his blackouts, the fact he just managed to turn up, and his angry "Don't you DARE talk to me about death" sure make it sound like there's more to him than just a somewhat naive hobbyist. What's he not telling anyone? Perhaps his secret is entirely personal? The blackout might relate both to his reason for volunteering for what he has to know is a job with a low survival rate (as a Wreckers fanboy he has to be aware of their apparent casualty rates) and to both his defensiveness about his episodes and his prickliness about the subject of death. I'd agree that he is hiding something, I am just not sure that it is actually related to the mission. On another note. I am quite surprised to find that people are expecting Aequitas to be something that we have seen before. Actually, I think it might be mildly dissappointing after all the buildup if it turned out to be something we were terribly familiar with.(Unless of course it got a hefty reinvention at the same time - which the creative team have a proven ability to achieve) Karl |
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Post by grahamthomson on Apr 5, 2010 20:48:24 GMT
Maybe Aequitas is Drift's personal hydrotherapy pool?
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Apr 5, 2010 23:55:39 GMT
Maybe it *is* Drift! We the fans demanded it no doubt.  |
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Post by dinogrrl on Apr 6, 2010 2:40:23 GMT
I too am disappointed at all the mundane and predictable suggestions for Aequitas that the US fans in particular seem to be coming up with. It's like, come on guys, you don't think James and Nick can come up with something entirely novel?
I've tried pointing that out but it's like barking up a deaf tree.
Ironfist makes me suspicious too - and his being there on high command's orders rather than the Wreckers' choice indicates interference from someone I suspect is named 'Prowl'. I can only hope so, at least.
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Post by blueshift on Apr 6, 2010 11:19:22 GMT
Maybe Ironfist has Spaceitis and is dying?  |
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Post by dinogrrl on Apr 7, 2010 3:05:18 GMT
Corrodia gravis!
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Apr 9, 2010 14:10:47 GMT
Nick. I can't promise that I won't attack you at AA - it could be with hugs but it could be with a stick. I mean how could you, killing him off? Damn you sir!!! I've never met James in person so he might be bigger and a touch handier than myself so I shall bide my time there.
Seriously though, another cracking issue. I sincerely hope that IDW hand the reigns of the TF ongoing to the two of you. I know you might not be able to draw 12 monthly issues but there is capable back up out there. It made me happy to see Guido Guidi getting a few pages of a "proper" Transformers comic that wasn't shitly written.
Andy
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2010 14:33:36 GMT
I've put in my order for the final two Bumblebee issues, LSotW issue 3 and issues 4 & 5 of the Ongoing. I'm due for some lengthy TF reading when they arrive.
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Post by nick on Apr 9, 2010 15:27:00 GMT
Hee hee! Yeah, I may well have to atone for a few sins come AA, I reckon. And with Guido attending as a guest, and with James fence-sitting over attending as a punter, there may be an opportunity to have an unofficial Wreckers Q & A session somewhere along the line. (Probably in the bar!)
I think every effort will be made to avoid ANY fill-in solutions next time I work on a series. In all honesty, Wreckers was slotted into the relaunch schedule (along with the ongoing and Bumblebee) quite late in the day in comparison with the other two titles. Everyone involved on Wreckers is working to ensure that I'm given enough lead-in time to make future work all me, all the time. I've definitely gotten faster on LSotW, so I'm learning new tricks all the time. Anyway, if you're gonna be covered by anyone, you better thank Christourlordamen it's Guido Guido giving you the dig-out.
Roll on August!
Nick
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Apr 9, 2010 17:58:04 GMT
Inconsistent artwork bugs me in general, but LSOTW #3 is completely down the other end of the quality/consistency spectrum from Marvel G2 #2 (first-timer Manny Galan sharing a comic with experienced Andy Wildman). Didn't notice the transitions on a first read, to be perfectly honest! Martin |
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Post by Kingoji on Apr 9, 2010 18:48:02 GMT
I did, I have to say. But the biggest give-away was that Nick draws his own faction insignias, and Guido gets them 'shopped in later.
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Apr 10, 2010 9:19:55 GMT
I did spot the transition but it was quite a smooth one. I shall of course defend the Galan as he was asked to ape Yaniger's style, and while he of course wasn't a patch on Yaniger there was something to his approach that I liked. A somewhat more cartoonier approach but nothing near as hateworthy as some of the internet would have you believe.
Andy
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Post by blueshift on Apr 10, 2010 9:33:53 GMT
I didnt think Galan was that bad either. At least he could keep to a deadline!
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