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Post by The Doctor on Nov 2, 2012 20:06:27 GMT
Rubbish. It's bold and triumphant!
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Nov 2, 2012 20:06:47 GMT
Time and the Rani - 1. Total Tosh with not a single redeeming feature
Paradise Towers - 6. Trying. So much better.
Delta and the Bannermen - 7. Grown a lot on me over the years. But a horendous mis step when they kill the coach passengers
Dragonfire - 3. a load of rubbish, just rip offs from other things dressed up in some film analysis pretentious nonsense. But it does get rid of Mel
Remembrance of the Daleks - 10. Superb.
The Happiness Patrol - 5 I go up and down on this every time I see it. The last viewing didn.t go well.
Silver Nemesis - 7 Much better than I remember. But you can't light that Cyberman makeover and trying this just 1 story after Rememberance was a mistake.
The Greatest Show in the Galaxy - 6 another I vary on
Battlefield - 5. Nothing too wrong that dressing the knights as the Stig and some proper laser effects wouldn't solve
Ghost Light - 5. Looks fab. but WTF is going on?
The Curse of Fenric - 6
Survival - 7 has improved much with age. but Classic DW deserved a better end
Doctor Who the TVM - 5 fab at the halfway point. Then goes off the rails. Then winds back time which is unforgivable. And the theme isn't good. Not TToaTL pish but not the best
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Nov 2, 2012 20:07:05 GMT
I must disagree.
Andy
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Post by The Doctor on Nov 2, 2012 20:12:52 GMT
Time and the Rani - 6. Loved it at the film. It does not hold up, but does have some bold moments and looks great.
Paradise Towers - 6. Same opinion!
Delta and the Bannermen - 8. First-rate first episode. Falters a bit thereafter but it's the RTD run 20 years early and I do have a huge soft spot for it.
Dragonfire - 8. I haven't seen it since first broadcast and loved it.
Remembrance of the Daleks - 10. Solid gold. Flawless.
The Happiness Patrol - 10. Utterly brilliant. Well paced, ignore the Thatcher stuff and focus on the mental health subplot. The Kandyman is brilliant. I swear if that had turned up in RTD or Moffat's era the fanbase would spunk all over it
Silver Nemesis - 10. Leave me alone.
The Greatest Show in the Galaxy - 9. Just fucking weird.
Battlefield - 10. KNIGHTS FROM SPACE!
Ghost Light - 8. Way ahead of its time.
The Curse of Fenric - 10. Yes!
Survival - 9. Cat People! Proper alien world! Ainley being mental!
Doctor Who the TVM - 10. Two great Doctors, stylish direction, witty dialogue and highly quotable. What's not to love?
-Ralph
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Post by legios on Nov 2, 2012 22:21:53 GMT
Time and the Rani - 2 I stand my opinion from when it first went out, Sylvester McCoy is marvellous the story itself is.... less so.
Paradise Towers - 4 There are the bits and pieces of a good idea in here, but everything seems to be working against the tone and feel that the story needs.
Delta and the Bannermen - 7 This is where this era starts to get its feet under it. Uneasy in its balance between its tones, but with more to recommend it that to denigrate it.
Dragonfire - 4 A bit of a mess frankly. Seems to waver wildly in tone and doesn't have enough going on to paper over its logical flaws
Remembrance of the Daleks - 10 Virtually a string of marvelous set-pieces, but for the fact that it is also held together by a very strong plot. Some cracking turns by the guest cast as well.
The Happiness Patrol - 10 A real joy. It has a lot to say about dysfunction of people, society and the damage that can be done to people. The Kandyman is also fantastic - a sickly sweet, brightly-coloured childhood fantasy turned rancid and toxic. He's part of the stories whole point, not a problem with it.
Silver Nemesis - 5 The idea of Cybermen versus Fascists is a cracking one thrown away too easily, and Lady Peinforte just doesn't convince me as a third-force in the drama. I like Cybermen though, even when they aren't at their best.
The Greatest Show in the Galaxy - 8 Evil circuses, people broken down by a cosmic evil which turns out to be terribly banal. Also a production design which takes every opportunity to go a bit bonkers on us. Great stuff
Battlefield - 8 Knights and sorcerers from another dimension fight UNIT. Ancelyn and Bambera form a classic "will they won't they" cop show partnership, and the Brigadier digs in and faces down an ancient evil with a .38 in hand. Nonsense, but incredibly entertaining.
Ghost Light - 8 A story that could stand to have been made now, when television was the right shape for it, rather than then when it wasn't. One of those stories you could lift and drop into the early RTD era without it looking particularly out of place.
The Curse of Fenric - 10 manipulation, treachery, the Doctor taking on an evil from beyond time that actually feels like it. This really is the business.
Survival - 9 Really solid stuff, and much better than I remembered it at the time. Some proper exploration of who Ace is, out-of-place looking monsters on a council estate, an alien world on the point of self-destructing.. It may have seemed like an end at the time, but so much of it is built out of things that would be Doctor Who's future.
Doctor Who the TVM - 8 Cracking performance from Paul McGann, and Eric Robert's Master is the logical end point of a trajectory through his predecessors performances. It fits squarely into romp territory, but that is no bad thing at all, and it is well-executed enjoyable romp.
Hmm. I actually surprised myself with some of these. When it actually comes down to the wire. There are somethings that I liked more than I usually credit and some things I realised I disliked more. This is probably the run I had to ponder the most.
Karl
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Post by The Doctor on Nov 2, 2012 22:25:36 GMT
I actually find it to be the most consistent run since Pertwee.
-Ralph
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Nov 2, 2012 23:00:02 GMT
It's very much an era of ideas, but the execution sometimes was not quite there, but as Ralph has said several times it casts a massive shadow over the RTD era.
Andy
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Post by blueshift on Nov 3, 2012 8:59:36 GMT
Time and the Rani - 3. I go through periods of thinking this is the worst story, and then not the worst. It's not the worst, it has some really great stuff in there, but MY GOD some not great stuff. Paradise Towers - 3. Brilliant, brilliant script, completely crippled by terrible acting, design, costumes, direction, music. Basically everything conspired to absolutely ruin what could have been a classic. Delta and the Bannermen - 7. I found myself really enjoying it, surprisingly enough, but there are some really bad missteps (oddly enough, in the 'too violent' direction) Dragonfire - 6. Loved it at the time. Very eeeeeeeh now. Remembrance of the Daleks - 10. Of course. The Happiness Patrol - 9. Aside from a few slipups, this is really special. Silver Nemesis - 4. I wanted to love it  The Greatest Show in the Galaxy - 7. Doesn't do it for me as much as everyone else. Battlefield - 8. Usually ranks higher, last viewing felt a bit padded and lacking in action. Still love it though. Needed a better director to hide some of the deficiencies though (this includes obvious stuff, like having people line up and awkwardly hold guns in the 'battle' scenes) Ghost Light - 10 The Curse of Fenric - 10 Survival - 10 Season 26 is pretty much perfect for me. Doctor Who the TVM - 6 - Lots and lots of great stuff (McGann, the direction, the production values); Lots of really poor stuff (the plot, the plot, MY GOD THE PLOT WHAT THE HELL. The beginning is poor and makes no attempt to actually introduce any of the concepts, the end is horribly lazy (the Doctor presses a button? and time goes backwards?? and everyone is alive again???) |
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Post by blueshift on Nov 3, 2012 9:23:39 GMT
Okay, lets do the late 80s all in one go! 1 Revelation of the Daleks 9.4 2= Attack of the Cybermen 8.4 2= The Ultimate Foe 8.4 4 Terror of the Vervoids 7.8 5 The Mysterious Planet 7.6 6 Mindwarp 7.4 7= Vengeance on Varos 7 7= The Mark of the Rani 7 9 The Two Doctors 6.4 10 The Twin Dilemma 5.4 11 Timelash 5 No surprise that Revelation walks away with it, but I was a bit surprised to see Attack come that high. I mean, I like it, but everyone else seems to as well! Overall, Colin's TV era has come out pretty well here. I used to think I didn't like it, but when I actually thought about each story in turn, it turned out there was just one or two I was a bit eeeeh on. 1 Ralph 9.27 2 Andy T 8.00 3 Matt 7.82 4 Karl 6.55 5 Phil 4.64 So who liked him best? Looks like Ralph, but everyone had a good time apart from Phil! The average Colin score is 7.25, narrowly beaten by Pertwee I'm going to do McCoy in the same post because it's easier, dammit! 1 Remembrance of the Daleks 10 2 The Curse of Fenric 9 3 Survival 8.6 4 The Happiness Patrol 8.4 5 Battlefield 8 6 Ghost Light 7.6 7 The Greatest Show in the Galaxy 7.4 8 Delta and the Bannermen 7 9 Silver Nemesis 6.2 10 Dragonfire 5 11 Paradise Towers 4.8 12 Time and the Rani 2.8 A wide spread here, with season 24 all clumped around the bottom as expected. But we have our first 10/10! Well done Doctor Who, only took you 25 years! 1 Ralph 8.67 2 Matt 7.25 3 Karl 7.08 4 Andy T 6.67 5 Phil 5.67 Everyone likes McCoy! His average score per story is 7.07, generally weighed down by season 24 (if season 24 hadn't happened, his average would be 8.15) Meanwhile in McGann land, he only got one story, so there's not much you can do with the averages (though as Ralph voted him 10, that means he's Ralph's favourite Doctor). McGann's sole outing gets a score of 7.6 Graphs! Averages! Individuals! Watch as Ralph's score seems to cling to the very top! |
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Post by The Doctor on Nov 3, 2012 10:16:22 GMT
Phil stabs down a lot in that graph!
-Ralph
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Nov 3, 2012 10:33:40 GMT
He's an angry, stabby man.
Andy
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Post by The Doctor on Nov 3, 2012 11:30:38 GMT
Before we power on to the 9th Doctor, we should vote on Dimensions In Time. It was broadcast as two 'proper' episodes...
-Ralph
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Post by blueshift on Nov 3, 2012 12:00:36 GMT
Before we power on to the 9th Doctor, we should vote on Dimensions In Time. It was broadcast as two 'proper' episodes... -Ralph I was tempted to do that but thought people would be all "NO NO ITS NOT REAL IT DIDNT HAPPEN AAAAAAAAAAA" WE CAN IF YOU WANT! |
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Post by The Doctor on Nov 3, 2012 16:45:54 GMT
It was broadcast as proper episodes. It had a title sequence, production code, everything. It was not a spoof like The Curse of Fatal Death. It is real Who.
-Ralph
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Nov 3, 2012 16:47:21 GMT
We must.
Andy
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Post by blueshift on Nov 3, 2012 16:48:58 GMT
It was broadcast as proper episodes. It had a title sequence, production code, everything. It was not a spoof like The Curse of Fatal Death. It is real Who. -Ralph Fiiine! In other news, I am going to merge the new series 2 parters (I assume everyone is happy with that, or should I do it per episode?) BUT is Bad Wolf/Parting of the Ways a 2 parter or 2 1 parters? What abut the end of series 3, what's going on there? Or should it be per episode (doesn't feel consistent with the Hartnell era then) |
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Post by The Doctor on Nov 3, 2012 17:03:18 GMT
If an episode ends with TO BE CONTINUED then it is part of a longer story. So Utopia/TSOD/LOTTL and Turn Left/TheStolenEarth/Journey's End are both 3-parters.
Bad Wolf/Parting of the Ways has the same cast, location and storyline! Of course it's a two-parter!
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Nov 3, 2012 17:29:39 GMT
do it per episode/
DiT is a spoof too as anyone can see. Shada isn't and we didn't vote for that
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Post by The Doctor on Nov 3, 2012 17:41:13 GMT
Shada was not broadcast, DIT was and it was not a spoof.
-Ralph
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Post by blueshift on Nov 3, 2012 17:52:22 GMT
I really wish that wasn't true |
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Post by legios on Nov 3, 2012 18:59:53 GMT
Shada is not, to my mind, eligible for voting on as it was not completed and available for broadcast. I'm not sure that there is enough of what Shada would have been to allow it to be properly assessed.
Dimensions in Time, for whatever it is worth was actually completed and coded as a Doctor Who story so I think it has to be put before the court for consideration.
Karl
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Nov 4, 2012 12:10:51 GMT
Here it is to save searching.
Andy
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Nov 4, 2012 12:28:36 GMT
Dimensions in Time - 2, it would be a 1 but as we got the Sixth meeting the Brigadier it's not an irredeemable piece of crap. Also it was mercifully brief.
Andy
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Post by The Doctor on Nov 13, 2012 13:20:09 GMT
Dimensions in Time 5 - It is of course utterly terrible and incoherant, but it's so quotable!
-Ralph
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Post by legios on Nov 13, 2012 20:37:27 GMT
Dimensions in Time - 2 (One point added for being amusing to watch in company.)
Karl
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Post by Philip Ayres on Nov 13, 2012 23:08:10 GMT
Not proper who. I refuse to vote.
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Post by The Doctor on Nov 14, 2012 7:35:22 GMT
Phil, Phil, Phil. It was broadcast as two episodes of Doctor Who on the BBC, produced by JNT and advertised to viewers as new episodes. It is Doctor Who, as much as that fact causes us all great pain!!! It's as much an episode (well, two) of Doctor Who as Inferno or The Family of Blood.
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Nov 14, 2012 8:11:48 GMT
It's one off made for charity fluffy pish
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Post by The Doctor on Nov 14, 2012 19:59:05 GMT
Indeed it was, but it also a proper DW telly story!
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Nov 14, 2012 20:07:41 GMT
It's on the same level as A Fix with the Sontarans which is slightly bellow Tom Baker hosting Disney Time
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