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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2012 8:52:21 GMT
Oh well, I got it eventually. So long as they have plenty of the ongoing series when it arrives, I'll forgive them.
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Post by Nigel on Jun 13, 2012 9:08:50 GMT
Come to think of it, FCBD is a Saturday and they'd already sold out of them during the week - they list the week's new comics on Wednesdays.
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 13, 2012 16:52:28 GMT
Can't recommend buying online from A Place In Space. I was a regular customer of their ebay store until they started sending me a stream of abusive emails.
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Post by Nigel on Jun 13, 2012 17:22:24 GMT
I find them great. On one or two occasions when there have been minor problems, they've resolved them professionally. Every comic's individually bagged and boarded and sent in a sturdy cardboard mailer, yet they're also the cheapest comic seller on eBay. I can't fault them.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2012 18:44:09 GMT
I always get my comics from Disposable Hero Comics online, very good prices and free p&p  Though sometimes the royal mail makes them late << (the mail actually forgot a whole bag of their mail last time!!) |
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 13, 2012 18:44:54 GMT
I mostly get my singles digitally now but when I want a paper copy they are my first port of call.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2012 9:56:04 GMT
Come to think of it, FCBD is a Saturday and they'd already sold out of them during the week - they list the week's new comics on Wednesdays. Ah, that would have been the problem then, since I only went on the Saturday. More fool me, for thinking they'd save the FCBD comics until FCBD... Can't say I've ever used them online, but whenever I've been into the store (or seen the staff out in the streets of Croydon) they've always been very friendly, and have been known to give regular customers a slight discount on rare occasions. But there's no excuse for sending abusive e-mails to online customers. |
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Post by primenova on Jun 19, 2012 13:59:19 GMT
#83 cover - good cover from Andrew. At least we get to find out back story on Spike. But Guido's cover, wow - he realy is getting them to fit in with the art style. Doesn't Guido do the whole cover [all the B covers] himself? inking / colouring
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Post by primenova on Jun 27, 2012 7:53:14 GMT
On facebook page -
Soundwave's Letters Page wrote: "Although I have space in my chest cavity for many companions, due to my ability to master mass displacement you should expect to see some surprising partnerships in issue 81..."
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2012 14:13:23 GMT
#81
It's brilliant. Just brilliant.
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Jul 11, 2012 14:55:07 GMT
No spoilers but feels like they have never been away.
What an issue.
Andy
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jul 11, 2012 17:18:55 GMT
Mixed reaction from me. A lot of it did indeed feel like the original series (or at least the Furman issues), but the bit that had echoes of G2 was not something that could have been countenanced in the original run, except in an alternate universe.
It doesn't feel _as_ different from the original run as G2 did... but rather somewhere in between.
I'll need to read further issues to get a real sense of what Furman's trying to do with the universe. It hasn't replaced 'Another Time and Place' for me as the 'true' continuation just yet. Whether it does depends on the direction that it heads.
Mind you, a certain cameo near the end had this Budiansky fan grinning from ear to ear.
Martin
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 11, 2012 17:21:51 GMT
It was great! Feels like it came out in 1992.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jul 11, 2012 18:37:31 GMT
After a second reading I've better put my finger on what makes this not feel like a continuation of the original series. It's not the mass destruction of civilians, because we did get plenty of that between 1984 and 1991, from Cybertron in #1 to Klo in #80, not to mention a parallel Earth in 'Rhythms of Darkness' but rather the wiping out of large cities on Earth means I can't pretend the stories are taking place in _my_ Earth any more. Yes, it feels like the original Marvel TF series... but a story intended to be taken as an alternate universe story, not a 'real' world story. Does that make any sense? Or was I the only one who used to imagine the Transformers were really having the adventures I read about in _my_ world? I suppose I'm now thinking 'Another Time and Place' will remain the 'real' conclusion in my mind because I can believe the Autobots saved the world I see outside my window today, as it's really still here. RG1 must be an alternate universe because it's one in which cities that I know still exist have fallen.
And it's kind of a shame... as I was hoping for some more alien robots in disguise in _my_ world stories. Martin |
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 11, 2012 21:37:05 GMT
I never for one minute ever thought the series was in the real world. As for Earth being devastated, we don't yet know the state of affairs. Is it the whole planet? Did people escape? How long ago? Is there some deception from Megatron here? And, why does everyone say ATAP was a continuation? It was published as part of the original Marvel UK, not something published some time later as a sequel. Makes as much sense to me as saying any other Annual story was somehow a separate thing. -Ralph |
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Post by dinogrrl on Jul 12, 2012 0:21:27 GMT
Blerg, mine is waiting at the shop for me, but I'm too crook to go get it today. Will have to go tomorrow.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jul 12, 2012 5:49:56 GMT
I never for one minute ever thought the series was in the real world. Nor did I, but I liked to _imagine_ it. Because it was! Every issue of the series was a continuation of the previous issues. It was a sequel/continuation from #80 just as #80 was a sequel/continuation of #79. Now to call ATAP a relaunch or a revival, that would be illogical. Sadly, it was only published in the UK, which seems to be why Furman feels OK about leaving it out of his current universe. At least we have the Turnbull treatment. Martin |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2012 11:29:10 GMT
My copy should be coming in the mail in the next couple days
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Post by dasi on Jul 12, 2012 13:12:38 GMT
Tried three comic shops in Bristol yesterday and today, including FP, no one has it in stock. Can anyone recommend a good online seller?
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 12, 2012 15:01:55 GMT
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Post by skillex on Jul 12, 2012 15:54:30 GMT
Very much enjoyed this... The whole "the war is over" is a bit similar to recent IDW-verse plotlines but it fits the last panel of the original series ("now we can go home") well. The thing that really makes it different is Megatron's apparent domination and devastation of Earth. I expect to see plenty of Furman-Optimus *guilt* over this in future issues! |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jul 12, 2012 17:15:47 GMT
Tried three comic shops in Bristol yesterday and today, including FP, no one has it in stock. Can anyone recommend a good online seller? I use www.oneshallstand.com/who deliver very promptly. But Phil's looks cheaper. Martin |
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Jul 12, 2012 17:19:59 GMT
At least we have the Turnbull treatment. Martin And barring anything i should be getting back to that shortly (this weekend). Small matter of AA publications and my health issues. Andy |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jul 12, 2012 17:23:31 GMT
Yay! Martin |
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Post by Bogatan on Jul 12, 2012 17:29:08 GMT
Very much enjoyed this... The whole "the war is over" is a bit similar to recent IDW-verse plotlines but it fits the last panel of the original series ("now we can go home") well. The thing that really makes it different is Megatron's apparent domination and devastation of Earth. I expect to see plenty of Furman-Optimus *guilt* over this in future issues! I did wonder after reading it if IDWs slightly negative attitude to the fan campaign back at last years Botcon was because they knew that it would to some extent cover the same ground as both of IDWs new G1 titles. You have a slightly removed Prime, Decepticon uprisings on Cybertron, and a hotheaded Autobot and followers blasting off for adventures. Thankfully Marvel Hot Rod and Magnus arent part of the Wreckers or it would just be getting silly |
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Post by andrewbcalculating on Jul 12, 2012 19:33:07 GMT
I got the Geoff Senior cover for normal price which was a surprise as I thought it was a special edition and would therefore cost more.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2012 15:55:49 GMT
Who's the guy on the last panel of the penultimate page between Kup and Springer? He doesn't match any of the previously seen Wrecker sin this story, and has what sort of looks like a Headmaster's head
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jul 13, 2012 16:26:00 GMT
Who's the guy on the last panel of the penultimate page between Kup and Springer? He doesn't match any of the previously seen Wrecker sin this story, and has what sort of looks like a Headmaster's head Dunno! Expect we'll find out. Martin |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jul 13, 2012 20:55:59 GMT
22 thoughts on #81: Page 1: Part of me says it's a shame to have so few words on a page, but it's very much in keeping with Furman's style of old, and has a very dynamic feel to it.
Page 2: Bludgeon destroyed very easily, much like the Decepticon facsimile constructs in the Wreckers' training session in 'Target: 2006' and the Autobot holograms in the Mayhems' training session in 'The Hunting Party'.
Page 3: Galvatron is run through, again with little effort. Kup has named Galvatron, suggesting he is an enemy that the Autobots know by name. This gives me hope that maybe stories like 'Target: 2006' and 'Time Wars' are in the Autobots' memory banks (though this present-day Kup never witnessed them).
Page 4: Good to see some familiar Wreckers, though I'm dying to know why Twin Twist is absent. I am taking the view that those 'killed' in 'Time Wars' have been repaired over time, as most destroyed Transformers can be. Leadfoot is presumably not an ex-Decepticon as he was in the G2 comic. I wonder if his pal Manta Ray will turn up.
Page 5: Lots of civilians on Cybertron these days. I wonder where they were during issues #76-80 - with the Autobots, just out of shot, or off-world trying to avoid trouble like the neutrals in the IDW comics? Or maybe they were all casualties of the war brought back to life by the Last Autobot?
Page 6: Kup seems to have as much a problem with authority as he has ever had, going back to when he gave Fortress Maximus such a hard time in the Headmasters' mini-series. Then, he was wrong. Maybe on this occasion he's right, though his war-mongering always rubs me the wrong way.
Page 7: Deluxe Insecticons - excellent! I'm a big fan. But why only three out of four?
Page 8: G2 Skyscorchers - obscure Decepticons picked for a brief moment in the limelight. They get a nice Marvel-style introduction where a few sentences distinguish their separate personalities and talents, and each gets named once for the reader's benefit.
Page 9: Chop Shop breaks in like the good thief his Budiansky bio say he is. I think Ransack should be the one who gives electric shocks though...
Page 10: ...but Venom has the paralysing sting. Check.
Page 11: I like the detention sphere. Reminds me of that net they trapped Ravage in back in the 3-part 1984 cartoon pilot.
Page 12: "All-new cuddly Wreckers" made me smile. Such a contrast from the LSOTW Wreckers with their brain-targeting bullets. Long live the Autobot Code!
Page 13: Beautiful visuals in the Nova Point observatory. Reminds me of the stellar cartography room in Star Trek: Generations.
Page 14: As I recall it was Prime who killed Unicron (and himself in the process), not the other way round. Optimus has adjusted to coming back from the dead several times before, so I wonder what's particularly troubling him right now.
Page 15: Kup's words about the effects of Nucleon make me wonder why we haven't seen any of the Nucleon-revived Autobots yet... except possibly Perceptor. Are Prowl and co. OK?
Page 16: For the first time ever, I actually find myself liking Hot Rod as a character. He's really changed!
Page 17: I wonder, who is supposed to be leader of the Wreckers now? Kup or Springer?
Page 18: We saw Soundwave walking openly on the streets earlier, suggesting some Decepticons have been given amnesties. Maybe Soundwave never openly took part in the ambush on Klo in #80.
Page 19: The high point of the issue for me. The appearance of Berko and the Carnival brought a smile to my face. I don't trust Simon not to blow it up, animals and all, in a few issues' time, but for the moment I'm happy.
Page 20: And this is where the issue loses me... or at least feels to me like it's set in a dark alternate universe like 'Rhythms of Darkness'. With its G2-style destruction of cities, it no longer places the Transformers in 'my' world, as all the present-day stories in the original Marvel series were.
Page 21: This very much makes a mockery of the Autobots' efforts to save individual human lives each month in the '80s. Presumably many of the people we met and who were enriched by their experiences - Sammy Harker, Bomber Bill, Ethan Zachary, the Spacehikers, Joey Slick, and dozens more - have had their lives snuffed out because their Autobot friends didn't make sure Earth was no longer in peril from the Decepticons due to Optimus' decision to push that button 4,000,000 years ago. As it appears (and appearances _can_ deceive) everything the Autobots did was for nothing. I'm not saying that makes this a bad comic - but it doesn't feel like the same series any more. I'm not sure a single human civilian died at Decepticon hands on present-day Earth in the original US and UK comics. I'm holding out a slim hope for some time-warpy thing to set things straight at some point so that we can have a few more stories about robots in disguise in _my_ world before the end - but it's a very slim hope.
Page 22: The final page feels a bit more like the familiar comic again. Megatron's appearance sitting in a ruined setting on Earth isn't a shock as it's on the front cover so I was expecting it - just not with the ruins to be so extensive. The ship blowing up has a feel about it of Brawn blowing up in 'The Enemy Within' and Magnus being thrown into the volcano in 'Fire on High', so I'm not too worried about our heroes. Though to be honest I'm too numbed by the apparent fates of all our human civilian friends to be worried about the lives of Wreckers, even cuddly ones.
Dark alternate reality to the happier conclusion of 'Another Time and Place' it may be in my mind, but I am hooked nonetheless. Martin |
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Jul 13, 2012 21:25:25 GMT
In response to one of your points. Page 14. Optimus Prime has only come back from the dead once really. His death in Afterdeath, his mind was backed up, so this was an Optimus who never actually experienced death. Andy |
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