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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jul 13, 2012 21:52:04 GMT
I suppose. But you could argue that the Ark crash was a sort of death for everyone on board.
And anyway, did this current Optimus Prime ever really die? This Optimus was generated from HiQ who separated from Prime before he flew into Unicron. He shouldn't have any of Prime's memories after that moment. Thinking about it, he shouldn't have first-hand memories of being blown up in 'Afterdeath' either as he was backed up before that moment.
Maybe it's the trauma of having your mind stored on so many different media - a supercomputer, a floppy disk, a Nebulan machine and a Nebulan - that is the big deal - rather than actually ever ceasing to be alive - which didn't seem to bother all those in the Ark crash.
Martin
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Jul 13, 2012 21:59:11 GMT
I never saw the Ark crash as a death,
It's difficult to say - the powermaster process seeming to inevitably make the organic and mechanical component one being. Prime and Hi-Q being in the most advanced stage of this amongst the Transformers. It was never commented on-panel - perhaps they were already pretty much as one, but the final separation plus Prime's death stopped the process just short of completion causing the difficulties Hi-Q had.
Maybe the absorption of the nucleon actually killed Hi-Q? They were supposed to be one being after all. Surely that should have been Qtimus Prime? An amalgamation of the two, as opposed to the Optimus Prime we had.
Some dark roads that could be considered if you thought about it.
Andy
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jul 13, 2012 22:05:19 GMT
Well, Darkwing, Dreadwind and their Nebulans may have survived to complete the process in this timeline!
Martin
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Jul 13, 2012 22:06:41 GMT
Could be interesting to see the results.
Poor Hi-Q.
Andy
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2012 22:19:23 GMT
If Optimus has the matrix again now, then that could explain his remembering the unicron death as that magic bauble could have stored his memories as the prime as well
However we also saw Hi-Q starting to claim that he was Opitmus Prime himself straight after his death, and since he probably watched the actual body of Optimus enter Unicron and explode he probably got a bit disturbed from seeing himself die in a horrible way like that
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 13, 2012 22:24:31 GMT
Prime having had Hi-Q within him when he was a Powermaster may have given him a new and unique view on death (organics having a much shorter life-span and no chance of coming back after 'death').
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Post by Jim on Jul 14, 2012 21:40:05 GMT
Finally got round to reading it today after some dreadful work problems brought my week low.
Excellent stuff, with some art reservations - it's kind of inconsistent. At its best it's beautiful and up with Wildman's best (I love the opening page) and at worst looks a bit rushed. I don't think Springer's chest is drawn the same way twice, though I only noticed this because of my other main irritation - the pasted-in faction symbols which have been really badly applied and sometimes even left out. I always prefer text and logos in art to be drawn by the artist anyway, but when they're not they should at least line up properly with the art.
Overall really happy, though. Curious as to Prowl's whereabouts, though I assume that's a plot point - he was such a presence in the latter US issues as to make him a long-term favourite of mine and I'm missing him here.
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 15, 2012 15:07:02 GMT
I am sure he will appear at some point.
RE: The art. I actually never noticed Springer's changing shape until I saw some reviews!
The pasted in faction symbols have been a curse upon TF comics since 2002. I have learned to ignore them!
I have now seen the Geoff Senior cover up close in FPG and that is...not ready for prime time.
But I am still stupidly excited about this series. And even under-par Senior covers cannot dampen my enthusiasm!
-Ralph
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Post by kayevcee on Jul 15, 2012 18:22:09 GMT
Did Optimus Prime ever actually take nucleon? I thought it was just the 'bots and 'cons that had to be revived over the double whammy of the Time Wars and the Starscream/Underbase.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jul 15, 2012 18:50:11 GMT
Did Optimus Prime ever actually take nucleon? I thought it was just the 'bots and 'cons that had to be revived over the double whammy of the Time Wars and the Starscream/Underbase. HiQ got soaked in it when Grimlock powered up to Action-Master form and it accelerated his internal changes. This was why OP couldn't transform in 'Another Time and Place'. Martin |
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Post by primenova on Jul 16, 2012 7:17:59 GMT
I'm not going to post a link because it could be a massive spoiler. But anyone seen the cover for #84. A certain character is coloured different. So seeing the image would mean a major event happens or it could be a dream scene.
If anyone wants to avoid seeing a spolier - don't look at IDW listing for October 2012.
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Post by Dave on Jul 16, 2012 8:58:54 GMT
I like the old colours and hand-drawn faction symbol on cover B, I hope they do more like this. Thoughts: I hope the image of Unicron is purely Prime's worries and that it is teasing A evil, rather than that particular character. I'm a little troubled/baffled by the "we can't acknowledge the UK stories" mentality. It's not a problem at the moment - yes there's some suddenly alive characters but its been 20 years. I just hope that that's the extent of it, I don't want to squint too hard to make this fit. |
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Post by primenova on Jul 16, 2012 11:02:59 GMT
Didn't Simon sort of hint that there is something worse than Unicron out there. What could Unicron of been doing all those years while he was going round eating planets - could he have been doing some good - like how they tried to show Unicron as a force for good in the Energon cartoon. Could Unicron have been defeating something else with his dark gods[which we have never seen - only mentioned in #150 that Uncron was the lord of the dark gods - so there must be others]
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2012 11:30:58 GMT
I sort of hope it's something to do with the Liege Maximo
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Post by glaug on Jul 16, 2012 11:46:55 GMT
Didn't Simon sort of hint that there is something worse than Unicron out there. What could Unicron of been doing all those years while he was going round eating planets - could he have been doing some good - like how they tried to show Unicron as a force for good in the Energon cartoon. Could Unicron have been defeating something else with his dark gods[which we have never seen - only mentioned in #150 that Uncron was the lord of the dark gods - so there must be others] That in and of itself would be pretty similar to how Galactus gets handled in Marcel on occasion, including Earth X and the various related miniseries. Leaning towards the "Yeah, there's something just as bad out there" hypothesis for now. |
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Post by legios on Jul 16, 2012 19:57:28 GMT
I've had several read-throughs of ish 81 - in itself a good sign - and can pronounce myself to have rather enjoyed it. In visual terms it does exactly what it sets out to do. Wildman's art looks very much like he has just gone straight from one issue to the next and John-Paul Bove's colours are a real treat - successfully evoking the sense of the Marvel series colours. Indeed, at times the whole thing feels like it _is_ the Marvel series, just on glossy paper-stock.
Furman's decision to have the series make a time-gap to the present day is, I think an excellent decision - unlike IDW's other TF titles this one has skipped twenty-years worth of "what now" to bring us in to a fully-established status-quo and then kick our feet out from under us just when we are starting to deal with the dislocation.
For a story entitled "loose ends" it is gratifying that this issue doesn't so much spend time enumerating, but instead focuses on doing something with them. There is a real sense of momentum to the story, things explained to us on the run and character and situational developments sketched in because the story has places to go and things to do.
The cliffhanger is quite shocking and unexpected, because it wasn't a tack that I expected this series to take -it really did come out of nowhere and blindside me. It is always nice when a piece of fiction can do that to me.
Overall, I am every much on-board for this series - very happy to see an alternate "what comes next" take from this creative team. Not because I think there is anything wrong with Generation Two, but because I think there is room for Furman to come back and revisit things with a new perspective, aided by a Wildman who is at a different place in his career, and to produce something interesting with that different perspective. I'm onboard with this series and buckling up, I think it is going to be an eventful ride.
Karl
(For the record, I see this as _a_ continuation of the Marvel series rather than _the_ continuation. From my perspective there are many ways in which events could go after ish 80 - this one, Generation Two, CG2 and I don't view any of them as more valid than the next)
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 16, 2012 21:44:33 GMT
I get very much the same feel from this as I did from the first episode of Doctor Who in 2005. It's made to be a continuation of what has went before with some of it fitting and some of it not but with the spirit intact and eschewing a pointless reboot. Hooray.
-Ralph
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Jul 17, 2012 1:51:26 GMT
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Post by primenova on Jul 17, 2012 6:31:20 GMT
That cover is great & you can look at it without the spoiler nature of Andrew's #84 cover. Ratchet looks like he's stuck on a circuit board.
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Post by Dave on Jul 17, 2012 9:57:47 GMT
Wow. Fantastic cover there.
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Jul 20, 2012 16:21:05 GMT
My copies arrived today for issue 81. Guido's cover is the best of the three, knocking Geoff and Andy for six with it. Just pops off the page and draws the eye.
Andy
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 20, 2012 16:22:52 GMT
If fill-in art is required during the run, Guido is the go-to guy. His style would fit perfectly.
-Ralph
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Jul 20, 2012 17:18:37 GMT
Barring something exceptional I doubt there will be much need for a fill in.
But yes, I agree.
Andy
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 22, 2012 20:03:36 GMT
I re-read the last five issues of Marvel US via the '100 page Spectacular' this evening. Reading them again now when the revived series has had a couple of issues published makes them a very different beast to read. I found myself picking up on things and wondering where they might go rather than my usual 'this is great, shame it ended' feelings. Then I re-read #80.5 and #81 and got even more out of them!
I must dig out more Marvel Tf stuff to re-read again. It feels fresh and vibrant again.
-Ralph
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Post by Jaymz on Jul 22, 2012 20:30:31 GMT
I re-read the last five issues of Marvel US via the '100 page Spectacular' this evening. Did you notice the missing Circuit Breaker? Not that she does anything in those issues, but 2 pages are cut from Exodus. |
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Jul 22, 2012 20:48:52 GMT
I didn't until just now.
They also recolour her in the few panels she can be seen in.
Andy
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 23, 2012 7:03:44 GMT
How strange. When IDW last reprinted these issues (June 2010) I'm sure she was still there. I must check.
-Ralph
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Post by Bogatan on Jul 23, 2012 7:20:04 GMT
If she isn't going to appear in the new run, maybe it was felt best to edit her out of the old issues to avoid any confusion for new readers.
Go the Senior cover on Saturday, probably the weakest of the range but theres something about his art that I cant help but like.
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Post by Jaymz on Jul 23, 2012 8:23:59 GMT
I asked Furman about it and he said it's something to do with the rights to reprint from Marvel, they have them for TPBs/HBs, but this one counts as a comic.
I suspect IDW could have done it if they paid Marvel, but considering this is just a cheap reprint to help catch up people, and seeing how unimportant she is in those issues, then it wasn't worth the cost.
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Post by blueshift on Jul 23, 2012 13:26:02 GMT
What colour is she then?
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