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Post by Andy Turnbull on Jul 23, 2012 13:34:46 GMT
Blue/grey. Looks completely metallic.
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Post by primenova on Jul 23, 2012 13:48:14 GMT
In one of the Titan tpb's it prints Bob's sketch & colour codes written on it for Circuit Breaker.
Can't remember which one its in - but the front of the book & thin it's around Showdown tpb [within 2 of that one]
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2012 14:38:30 GMT
It's in Maximum Force it says:
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R for circuits (or B)
R2Y2 for skin areas
Y3 or Y hair
B eyes
those are obviously colour codes or something
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 23, 2012 17:00:20 GMT
I feel slightly more justified for buying 3 copies of the 100-page Spectacular for one of the issues being slightly different. Bit annoying to have bits missing though as the repro is generally better than the shoddy effort from Classics Vol 6.
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Post by primenova on Jul 23, 2012 21:15:42 GMT
Nel read those colour codes as colour the character orange along with everything else on the page
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Post by primenova on Jul 25, 2012 8:58:21 GMT
In Simon Furmans first post for #80.5 page 1 - Simon states the shape of Zero Space is important. But notice how it looks like the vortex in Timewars. I think that is the reason it is important - it could be the same. [If you just forget how Galvatron somehow turned up back on Cybertron for AOE - but that was an altered future but not the ROD universe]
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 25, 2012 19:24:22 GMT
You never know. It could be that vortex!
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 31, 2012 17:48:22 GMT
According to The Furman's blog, #82 drops tomorrow!!!
-Ralph
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Jul 31, 2012 18:08:16 GMT
Yes, yes it does and between 1400 and 1500 on comiXology.
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 31, 2012 18:29:22 GMT
I am counting the hours!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2012 19:57:50 GMT
I'm not likely to get my copy until after AA (it's coming in the mail)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2012 15:33:35 GMT
# 82 Didn't have the same buzz as the previous issue, but the story's still engaging. Megatron does seem awfully small.
Nice character moment with Ultra Magnus.
Grimlock won't cross *that* line - yeah, it was a bit of a blatant attempt at making him seem more 'heroic' (or noble, or whatever), but I like it. I guess I'm a bit jaded with the smug, smart-alec and sometimes downright cynical characteristics that I see in a lot of modern 'heroes' (or maybe it's just me?).
Chekhov's gun: the process the Nebulon talked about with regard to the original Headmaster heads. Which means that certain someone scuttling into frame in Grimlock's last panel *is* who I think it is.
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Post by The Doctor on Aug 1, 2012 18:45:07 GMT
I agree with your spoiler laden points.
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Post by Bogatan on Aug 1, 2012 18:59:05 GMT
Megatron would be being affected by nucleon maybe, I assume in his case it makes him small and crazy. I was really enjoying it then it stopped, it felt like I had only read 5 pages. |
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Aug 2, 2012 16:48:59 GMT
Well, time for a confession.... two issues in and this series is doing nothing for me.
I liked the twist at the end of #81 and the idea of Project Lazarus in #82, but the script and dialogue seem very flat, the characters two-dimensional, and although I've never been a big fan of Andy W's more 'organic' presentation of Transformers the art seems sub-par so far to me.
And not just because of Microtron.
And the nostalgia thing isn't kicking in for me at all here. I've now seen the Transformers story told in better and more interesting ways (both in official and unofficial media, including earlier in the original series) and this one seems very... quaint.
Will give it another issue but after that it'll be trades at best if at all for me.
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Post by Dave on Aug 3, 2012 9:07:54 GMT
Megatron would be being affected by nucleon maybe, I assume in his case it makes him small and crazy. Could be. I did assume his sled thing (though not identical) was based on his Action Master vehicle. Yeah I did find myself at the end quicker than the previous two issues - bad when the first issue had less pages. Maybe it's just how this issue worked out, but I'd hate if this was being dragged out for a "Loose Ends" trade. Page 2: Sparks have never been mentioned or seen before. Seems pointless to introduce them now |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Aug 5, 2012 16:07:28 GMT
What turns me off Regeneration One is that it is _not_ in the spirit of the original Marvel run. In all the Marvel US and UK present-day stories (prior to Generation 2 - which was always marketed as being more violent) there were no human civilian deaths at the hands of Decepticons. And it was grounded in our Earth - with references to Presidents Reagan and Bush, Richard Branson, Madonna and Herbie, amongst many others. The whole reason to support the Autobots was that they were dedicated to protecting us from the Decepticons. RG1 has thrown all that out: the Autobots stopped caring about us once the comic ended, and the Earth has been turned into a wasteland. In turn I no longer have a reason to care about the Autobots. It reads to me very much as a nightmarish "What if?" alternate universe in which the rules of the game are quite different from those obeyed my the comic I grew up with as a boy.
On top of all that, we have this month TF Classics UK Volume 3, reprinting stories from Simon Furman's original Marvel continuity - which now (with the appearance of characters like Spinister, Chop Shop, Venom, Topspin, Rack'n'Ruin, Roadbuster and Sandstorm) RG1 appears to be saying never happened. RG1 #80.5-82 have a page count about equal to half of Target: 2006 or the whole of Prey/The Harder They Die/Under Fire/Distant Thunder. It really doesn't seem equal to those earlier works, and if forced to choose between them and RG1 as the 'definitive' expanded Marvel TF storyline, I'm afraid it's Simon's original run all the way, from 'The Enemy Within' to 'Another Time and Place'.
And to cap it all, RG1 has the Ark looking like it did in the cartoon series, we have the Matrix of Leadership, we have Sparks and we have 'alt forms'. And we have a galactic geography mis-match. In the original Marvel run, Nebulos was several dozen light-years from Earth (#42, page 1) and close enough to Cybertron (which is several light-years from Earth - #18 page 4) to be viewed via a telescope (Headmasters #1). Now Nebulos has moved 780 million light-years into another galaxy altogether, and Earth is so far from Cybertron that the Autobots are oblivious to a Decepticon takeover. You'd think at least one of the old gang would have popped across the Space Bridge for old time's sake in the 21 years since Primus yanked them home - if only to say goodbye to the friends they had made.
Despite all I've said - which amounts to saying that this isn't really a convincing continuation of the Marvel run, let alone the definitive one - I don't think they're bad comics in and of themselves, and the stories may be worth reading. Just not as a well-fitting part of the original Transformers saga. Martin |
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Post by Jim on Aug 5, 2012 17:37:00 GMT
What turns me off Regeneration One is that it is _not_ in the spirit of the original Marvel run. In all the Marvel US and UK present-day stories (prior to Generation 2 - which was always marketed as being more violent) there were no human civilian deaths at the hands of Decepticons. And it was grounded in our Earth - with references to Presidents Reagan and Bush, Richard Branson, Madonna and Herbie, amongst many others. The whole reason to support the Autobots was that they were dedicated to protecting us from the Decepticons. RG1 has thrown all that out: the Autobots stopped caring about us once the comic ended, and the Earth has been turned into a wasteland. In turn I no longer have a reason to care about the Autobots. It reads to me very much as a nightmarish "What if?" alternate universe in which the rules of the game are quite different from those obeyed my the comic I grew up with as a boy.
On top of all that, we have this month TF Classics UK Volume 3, reprinting stories from Simon Furman's original Marvel continuity - which now (with the appearance of characters like Spinister, Chop Shop, Venom, Topspin, Rack'n'Ruin, Roadbuster and Sandstorm) RG1 appears to be saying never happened. RG1 #80.5-82 have a page count about equal to half of Target: 2006 or the whole of Prey/The Harder They Die/Under Fire/Distant Thunder. It really doesn't seem equal to those earlier works, and if forced to choose between them and RG1 as the 'definitive' expanded Marvel TF storyline, I'm afraid it's Simon's original run all the way, from 'The Enemy Within' to 'Another Time and Place'.
And to cap it all, RG1 has the Ark looking like it did in the cartoon series, we have the Matrix of Leadership, we have Sparks and we have 'alt forms'. And we have a galactic geography mis-match. In the original Marvel run, Nebulos was several dozen light-years from Earth (#42, page 1) and close enough to Cybertron (which is several light-years from Earth - #18 page 4) to be viewed via a telescope (Headmasters #1). Now Nebulos has moved 780 million light-years into another galaxy altogether, and Earth is so far from Cybertron that the Autobots are oblivious to a Decepticon takeover. You'd think at least one of the old gang would have popped across the Space Bridge for old time's sake in the 21 years since Primus yanked them home - if only to say goodbye to the friends they had made.
Despite all I've said - which amounts to saying that this isn't really a convincing continuation of the Marvel run, let alone the definitive one - I don't think they're bad comics in and of themselves, and the stories may be worth reading. Just not as a well-fitting part of the original Transformers saga. Martin This pretty much sums up my own feelings. I don't think it's helping that MTMTE is concurrently running and doing amazing things, and (as you say) the UK Classics volumes are out there reminding why we loved Furman's work so much in the first place. With what's happened to Earth, and Nebulos' apparently similar fate, I wonder if we'll see Cybertron-style rebirths for both those worlds somewhere near the end. |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Aug 6, 2012 18:44:49 GMT
Plus point for issue #82 - more transforming going on than you get in three or four issues of MTMTE.
But I don't know what Grimlock's problem is. In #1-80 Transformers reduced to nothing but a brain module or a brain pattern routinely got entirely new bodies constructed for them. What's the difficulty with constructing new bodies for Action-Masters and Headmaster heads in the same way?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2012 10:40:24 GMT
Oh I forgot to mention, I asked Andrew Wildman who that guy in the background on the Wrecker's ship that didn't look like anyone else, and he said it's supposed to be Broadside with his mouth plate up, it just must have gotten a bit muddled up during the inking stage
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Post by The Doctor on Aug 7, 2012 19:20:08 GMT
I was able to catch the Regeneration One panel at AA in which the creative team discussed the series. It's clear that it is intended to be a continuation rather than the only continuation so read the series either way if that helps.
Got the Senior cover for #82 today. Had not seen it online so a treat to have it 'revealed' in print. It is a fabulous cover, much better than his one for #81.
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Aug 7, 2012 22:38:02 GMT
Didn't get the Senior cover...yet.
Bidding on ebay just now for one.
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Post by jameso on Aug 8, 2012 0:44:20 GMT
At the panel at Auto Assembly Furman explained three times, sometimes in answer to totally unrelated questions, that regeneration is a continuation of the American issues only, so, being brutally honest, it seems stuff like Target 2006 and Time Wars doesn't happen. I'm probably misrepresenting Furman here because he was a lot more diplomatic about it, but that's the cold reality as far as I can tell.
But, like Ralph says, he did point out that it's a continuation, rather than _the_ continuation (in a response to a question about where it leaves G2). Wildman however was much more this is _the_ Transformers story, that there was no Transformers story before Marvel and this is a continuation of Marvel.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Aug 8, 2012 1:43:12 GMT
At the panel at Auto Assembly Furman explained three times, sometimes in answer to totally unrelated questions, that regeneration is a continuation of the American issues only, so, being brutally honest, it seems stuff like Target 2006 and Time Wars doesn't happen. I'm probably misrepresenting Furman here because he was a lot more diplomatic about it, but that's the cold reality as far as I can tell. But, like Ralph says, he did point out that it's a continuation, rather than _the_ continuation (in a response to a question about where it leaves G2). Wildman however was much more this is _the_ Transformers story, that there was no Transformers story before Marvel and this is a continuation of Marvel. But of course in _this_ country, _the_ Transformers story was the UK comic. The US-only comic wasn't sold here (except a few copies in specialist shops). Readers of the Transformers comic as available in newsagents never even had it explained which stories were US and which were UK. Just seems an odd decision that it's a continuation of some of the original comics, but not of Simon Furman's original comics, when it could easily have been that. Why does he consider Bob Budiansky's stories as worthy of inclusion but not his own best work? But then, as you say, it seems Simon just considers it one more version rather than _the_ version. I can understand Andy Wildman's stance because he was a late-comer to the UK comic - most of his work was on the US stories. Martin |
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Post by primenova on Aug 8, 2012 7:29:02 GMT
Maybe SImon is trying to explain some stuff that didn't fit in the UK stuff. Mainly the whole Galvatron remembering Time wars events but his memory was altered, then that bit in Target 2006 where we have all mentioned Galvatron forgot Megatron attacked him.
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Post by The Doctor on Aug 8, 2012 7:57:30 GMT
At the panel at Auto Assembly Furman explained three times, sometimes in answer to totally unrelated questions, that regeneration is a continuation of the American issues only, so, being brutally honest, it seems stuff like Target 2006 and Time Wars doesn't happen. I'm probably misrepresenting Furman here because he was a lot more diplomatic about it, but that's the cold reality as far as I can tell. The reasons given were that Regeneration One is a title intended mostly for the American market (IDW comics are sold in the UK through comic shops only, not on newsstands) so there is not enough space/too confusing for US readers* to bring in all the UK material so it's written as a continuation of US #1-80 and Headmasters #1-4 with nods here and there to the UK stories. Furman remarked this was exactly how he wrote the US issues he did back in the day and this is how the series would have been continued had it not been cancelled. A #333/Regeneration One UK would be a very different title. Furman went to great lengths to explain why the story was being done the way it is. He couldn't have been more pleasant, diplomatic or explanatory about it. I got no sense of him not including UK stories just for the sake of it or that he hadn't thought it through or that he dismissed his own work. Secondly, he did say that if UK plotlines were touched on there couldn't be a half-way house of just touching on some plot points. It would have to be all in and there just wouldn't be space to explain another nth number of storylines. -Ralph *Which makes sense. Though the UK material has been reprinted a few times by Titan and IDW, my experience of many TF boards is that a lot of US fans have never read the UK stories. |
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Post by blueshift on Aug 8, 2012 8:44:16 GMT
To be honest that's the one thing I dislike about Regeneration One. Being a continuation of the US comic is one thing, but going out of your way to deliberately contradict the UK stories is another (with some characters alive who should be dead etc).
Honestly, it feels like a lack of imagination, and I don't know why they think it needs to be 'all or nothing'. The setting is a war which is millions of years old, lots of things have happened. Characters referring to a UK story is exactly the same thing as characters referring to events we havn't seen.
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Post by The Huff on Aug 8, 2012 8:48:25 GMT
Although I never expected Simon to actually continue any UK plot points (like Prof. Morris) or even reference any in RG1 , I was surprised that he has deliberately contradicted them by introducing characters like the Wreckers and Deluxe Insecticons when other characters could have easily been used.
I'm sure a new team of Wreckers would have worked just as well (or am I wrong - don't think it's been tried before) - heck Springer, Kup, Leadfoot & Broadside would still be in there.
Nethertheless, I am enjoying having it all back.
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Post by Dave on Aug 8, 2012 10:12:41 GMT
Yeah I can understand it being written as a continuation of just the US issues - just like Furman's original US run. However RG1 isn't being written *quite* the same way, as the end of Marvel US didn't do anything to contradict Marvel UK.
Although the Earthforce stuff ended up not fitting, when the Mayhem's turned up in Marvel US it was minus the members Carnivac had taken out in the UK strip. When the Wreckers turn up in IDW it is with suddenly alive characters. Like I already said it's not a big problem at the moment but I don't won't to see things being disregarded for no reason.
This is probably coming across a bit more negative than I intend as generally I'm enjoying the comic at the moment.
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Post by The Doctor on Aug 8, 2012 10:51:44 GMT
To be honest that's the one thing I dislike about Regeneration One. Being a continuation of the US comic is one thing, but going out of your way to deliberately contradict the UK stories is another (with some characters alive who should be dead etc). Honestly, it feels like a lack of imagination, and I don't know why they think it needs to be 'all or nothing'. The setting is a war which is millions of years old, lots of things have happened. Characters referring to a UK story is exactly the same thing as characters referring to events we havn't seen. It's not a lack of imgination. I wish the panel had been filmed. It all makes sense once you see the writer explain it. -Ralph |
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