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Post by KnightBeat on Mar 20, 2014 23:57:51 GMT
Well, the final battle was suitably apocalyptic. However, I have to admit to being a little disappointed by several aspects of the story. Did we really need to introduce the multi-verse into the Marvel story? The story would have worked equally well if we'd learnt the Matrix creature existed in the laser core of every Cybertronian and they were forced to commit mass suicide to ensure it couldn't infect the rest of the universe. As it is, we have an Enterprise-like ending where Hot Rods from other fan-favourite timelines/toylines (and Armada) appear, shoot the creature for a few panels, then disappear. Optimus Prime's death also seemed a bit rushed. We last saw him in a poor state after the attack by Fortress Maximus. Now he's suddenly under the Matrix creature's control? How did this happen? Rather than introduce Fortress Maximus as a generic baddie, why not ramp up the tension by showing Spike's anger boil over and attempt to kill Optimus, giving the matrix creature an opportunity to invade his mind? Related to the above, did we really need to see the Prime clones? An Optimus Vs. Rodimus fight is sufficiently dramatic, without random nostalgia (Hey Kidults! Remember when Optimus was a powermaster and the same height as his previous/later bodies?) As it is, I only realised that one of them was the real Prime after he broke free of the creature's influence. And did the final panel really show Botanica? Er.. That all sounds quite negative. I enjoyed the issue. No, really. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2014 0:56:08 GMT
I've enjoyed the series, but wasn't quite sure what to make of the final issue. It felt a bit too meta and less of a natural conclusion to characters we've been following for 100 issues. I would've thought Optimus would take centre stage for the grand finale, and that the Decepticons (aside from Galvatron) would have more screentime outside of a Starscream and Shockwave cameo (who, apparently, have changed their ways). In hindsight, now that the series is over, I wonder if elements of the first arc wouldn't instead have made a better ending. Scrap the multiverse stuff, have the devastation of Earth be the focal point, and end the series with the big Optimus/Megatron fight. But, yeah - don't want to sound too negative. I've really enjoyed the series and am glad it was made. It was indeed Botanica. So Marvel G1 is the basis of the BW/BM universe...? Fine with me - BW being my favourite televised version of Transformers. But then Blackarachnia is shown earlier in the issue as an example of the multiverse...so is it alternate version of BW/BM? Or do all TF universes eventually end in techno-organisms...? I'm looking into it too deeply, aren't I?  . |
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Post by blueshift on Mar 21, 2014 9:20:45 GMT
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Mar 21, 2014 13:49:37 GMT
At Ralph's urging I bought #100 (Geoff Senior art he said!). Have to say it reminded me of every reason I decided to drop this series early on - poor artwork (although GG's not too bad), daft storyline (and the TF Multiverse introduced!), tacky dialogue (much eye-rolling). {Spoiler}I've dipped in and out of the series along its run and with the exception of #0 found it very unappealing. As a closure on the original Marvel run I have been left scratching my head at how a series about robots in disguise, The Great War and TF/Human interaction was rounded up with no Decepticons and a very confused plotline about the Matrix Creature spawned by Prime's old dead body that (like the Remans in Star Trek) Was There All Along. Each to their own, but I never felt any nostalgia vibe from the series or that it continued the Marvel comic in tone or content other than numerous press releases telling us it did so. A rare miss of a series from Furman and Wildman. |
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 28, 2014 18:06:46 GMT
I enjoyed the series overall. I did not enjoy #100. Not since Star Trek: Enterprise left the airwaves have I seen such a well intentioned but ill-judged ending. I loved the look of it. I wanted to like the story but I just couldn't. Too many non-sequitors or things being rushed or happening off-panel and don't start me on the multiverse. I was really deeply disappointed.
I also felt it was a bit daft not to have Wildman on the last pages rather than the first ones.
Fun series though. I think (like with my thoughts on the TV show 'The Prisoner') I shall just enjoy the madness up until the penultimate instalment and let my imagination linger on what could have been.
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 28, 2014 18:36:18 GMT
Last episode of the Prisoner is the best of the lot, hence the phrase "Prisoner Grade Wacky S#!+"
I understood the end of Twin Peaks. But I've not got a clue what's going on in the last episode of the Prisoner. It's the moment where they come up out the caves machine gunning everyone to "All you need is love" that really does my head in!
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 28, 2014 18:42:06 GMT
The Prisoner is one my favourite shows but I find the finale appalling as it cross the line from 'enjoyable madness' to 'unentertaining pish'. It's the only ep of the run I can't get anything out of. Just does not feel like it fits. I got the same feeling from this comic.
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 28, 2014 18:45:24 GMT
We'll have to agree to disagree then. Will be a few weeks yet before I see the last RG1 trade. LYK what I think then
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Post by blueshift on Mar 28, 2014 19:57:45 GMT
The Prisoner is one my favourite shows but I find the finale appalling as it cross the line from 'enjoyable madness' to 'unentertaining pish'. It's the only ep of the run I can't get anything out of. Just does not feel like it fits. I got the same feeling from this comic. -Ralph I love the last episode of the Prisoner so much, but then again I really really love meta, introspective works as long as there's real thought behind them. See Ralph, it turns out that Patrick McGoohan was the Prisoner all along. |
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 28, 2014 21:23:43 GMT
My point was that I personally just don't find the last episode of The Prisoner entertaining, whereas I found every other episode does entertain me even if many of them bamboozle me!
And now...back to Regeneration One! It had robots in it.
-Ralph
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Post by KnightBeat on Mar 28, 2014 23:52:01 GMT
My annoyance at the story's failings has lessened. As far as I'm concerned it's just another splinter universe, like Hearts of Steel, in which a different type of story can be told.
Reading the final issue for a second time, I realised the wraith attack reminded me of the TF Animated Movie. Not the 1986 big screen feature, but the 1984 script that featured life sparks and Ingestor. Rather than make a RG2, I wonder if IDW could be convinced to pay for the original script and convert it into comic form, as has been done with the current 'The Star Wars' series.
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 29, 2014 8:52:55 GMT
I think, overall, G2 now looks like a more apt conclusion to the Marvel run. The last issue of RG1 now puts it squarely into the area of a mostly enjoyable 'what if?'. I just can't make that last issue reconcile with '99 issues' before it. Sorry!
It felt more like a remake of 'Reaching the Omega Point', to be honest. Which was not something I wanted to read. I just can't see how multiverse nonsense is a good way to end the 'original' continuity. It pulls me right out of it. Sure, we had a hint in an earlier issue but I had just taken that as a wry spit and cough towards the other TF media that had arisen in the 20 year interim period.
And the Transformers finally making peace with humanity needed more than one panel with a narration box. That really needed more. But did any of that even happen anyway?
And why did Starscream and Shockwave decide to suddenly go 'good' between issues? Eh? What? Given that 'evil' now going 'good' was effectively the end of the long Autobot/Decepticon conflict it needed more than a throwaway panel in some future that I was unclear about whether it actually happened or not.
Why exactly did Optimus Prime die? Other than because Optimus Prime must die?
-Ralph
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Post by legios on Mar 29, 2014 23:43:00 GMT
I like the last few pages of RG1 100 quite a bit. I like the sense of "we moved on from what we were, did some good to balance the horror we wrought, and then we died, and it was an ending to us and a beginning to something else". On a meta-textual level that worked for me. On the micro -level it left me with a sense of "this time you knew how many issues you had. Why does your ending feel rushed and like it snuck up on you?". There are things in here that feel like they desperately need to be cut - Galvatron takes control of a room, then things explode because...?". Meanwhile I think the thematic element of Rodimus standing up to the essence of their creator and saying "No, you have become blackened and twisted. We are your children but we choose something other than eternal war." gets lost in the shuffle. It is a shame, because it has in it elements I have thought was inherent in the end of G2 - "we are the last generation. For good or ill, what we do matters because there will be no generation of our kind after us", a theme and a sense of closure that I feel like this series has been reaching for over its run. Only to not quite pay off at its ending.
A bit a a "curates egg" all, told I felt.
Karl
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 30, 2014 11:58:30 GMT
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Post by Philip Ayres on Apr 22, 2014 11:05:55 GMT
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Post by primenova on Apr 22, 2014 13:28:55 GMT
I picked up #92C from Manchester FPI for £2.60 & cover A for a few issue at TravellingMan for 50p each . they have lots of Transformers comics in at TM for 50p each - but nothing after IDW DarkCybertron part6 or RG1 #99 [they have whole set of BH 1-8]
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Post by The Doctor on Apr 24, 2014 20:34:11 GMT
Price has gone too high for my blood! I did grab one of those variants from Mr Bove at the Edinburger comic con. It is a most splendid sight. -Ralph |
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Post by primenova on Apr 25, 2014 9:31:25 GMT
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Transformers-Regeneration-One-0-retailer-exclusive-SIGNED/181382257406[how do you put links in so they are short again? I knew how to do it on the old boards] This one [which is a cover i've not got] did sell for a bit start £7 sold £70 & signed by 4 people {Simon, Geoff, Stephen, John Paul} who are all easy to get stuff signed by, was expecting to see it also signed by CWC, Delbo, JA. Maybe this comic could be a good item for DTWT or AA if it can make this much?
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Post by Philip Ayres on Apr 25, 2014 10:05:56 GMT
In eBay's case you chop off all the unecessary stuff. Everything after the first ?
The other way to do it is
[url=www.mylink.com/pagename.html]What you want to see[/url]
so in your case
[url=http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Transformers-Regeneration-One-0-retailer-exclusive-SIGNED/181382257406?clk_rvr_id=624249538222]Transformers Regeneration One #0 retailer exclusive SIGNED[/url]
You can also click on the symbol with a World & Page on the reply page
It's probably best you avoid using square brackets otherwise in code. They mean something to the board software
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Post by primenova on May 10, 2014 17:25:33 GMT
Anyone after some RG1 Geoff Senior covers should check out Cosmic toys (01924) 650609 Kingsway Arcade, Dewsbury, WF13 1DU - they have few issues in [#82,85,86,87, ] £6.99 each about 7-15 copies of each + lots of toys £4 onwards & other rare covers too www.cosmictoyshop.co.uk/ |
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Post by Jim on May 10, 2014 20:43:58 GMT
Funny how some seem rarer than others. If anyone sees the Senior covers for #0 and #99 on their travels, do get in touch!
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Post by Bogatan on May 11, 2014 8:45:42 GMT
With the arrival of issue 82 and 96 last week I thought I had all the senior covers then realised I still needed issue 0. |
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Post by primenova on May 11, 2014 17:33:24 GMT
I think travelling man Leeds still have #99C £4.99
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Post by Andy Turnbull on May 11, 2014 18:46:15 GMT
Randomly FPG had a copy of the 96 artists edition variant from Geoff Senior for a fiver. Picked that up.
Andy
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Post by Philip Ayres on Dec 3, 2014 21:21:52 GMT
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jan 5, 2015 17:43:24 GMT
One of these is now in the hands of a member of this very forum!
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Jan 5, 2015 17:44:04 GMT
Splendid!
Andy
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Post by inflatabledalek on Jan 10, 2015 16:18:12 GMT
Yeah, I'm not a huge Reg fan, but that cover, the signees and the good cause all combine to make a lovely thing.
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Post by blueshift on Sept 21, 2015 16:59:00 GMT
Reading the final issue for a second time, I realised the wraith attack reminded me of the TF Animated Movie. Not the 1986 big screen feature, but the 1984 script that featured life sparks and Ingestor. Rather than make a RG2, I wonder if IDW could be convinced to pay for the original script and convert it into comic form, as has been done with the current 'The Star Wars' series. I only just saw that comment. That would be amazing. |
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Oct 1, 2015 9:21:41 GMT
Oh indeed, that could be very interesting.
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