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Post by Fortmax2020 on Mar 6, 2015 9:31:00 GMT
I'm more concerned that Rung may be the End of All Things!! The Functionists are right perhaps....
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Post by legios on Mar 6, 2015 10:02:21 GMT
I'm more concerned that Rung may be the End of All Things!! The Functionists are right perhaps.... I didn't read it that way to be honest= I read it as more that Rung's Alt-mode was dangerous to the Functionists, and its existence could bring down their entire ramshackle social edifice, rather than it being a thing innately dangerous in itself. It can destroy the world the Functionists have built, rather than being able to blow up planets or whatever. In essence I read it as being that in the altered sequence of events Rung becomes the equivalent of Megatron - the symbol which tore down society. Did thoroughly enjoy the issue, and the whole story. Good time travel story with very straightforward mechanics, and one which rather neatly maintains causality much better than most to be honest. I liked the attitude to changing the past specifically I like the idea that they actually didn't change anything. The events of the war eventually lead them to travel into the past - effect follows cause, straightforward causality. They travel back in time and create events which started the war - cause follows after effect, also perfectly sound causality if you assume that their are no privileged reference frames. The thesis of some reputable physicists is that this is actually the case - that as long as every effect results from a cause it doesn't matter which one follows which. Tough to wrap hour head around when we have a fixed reference frame ourselves, but I thought this was a really good fictional example of it Karl |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 6, 2015 10:40:33 GMT
The list of things accomplished on the trip to the past is quite frightening - Made Megatron into the bot he is by swapping his intended Spark with the .1%er
- Started the war by trying to get a curly straw
- Built the Lost Light's engines and sent it to the future for the Nails to find it
- Created the Sparkeater that attacked them
- Sent the message to Cybertron heard in episode 1
- Contributed to the creation of at least one member of the DJD, possibly more
- Saved Rodimus' spark before his birth
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Mar 6, 2015 11:54:57 GMT
The verdict is still out on the DJD member...
So basically the Functionist universe is the 'true' continuity/universe!
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Post by Llama God on Mar 6, 2015 11:56:14 GMT
That's not a bad result.
No, wait...
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 6, 2015 12:23:18 GMT
The verdict is still out on the DJD member... I very much suspect the little trip through time may have contributed to more than one and not just Roller/Tarn . How about the bot who got Sparkeater Gunned in 37? |
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Post by legios on Mar 6, 2015 13:03:54 GMT
The verdict is still out on the DJD member... So basically the Functionist universe is the 'true' continuity/universe! Not really. The Functionalist dominated Cybertron is what results if in the future the Lost Light crew do not travel back in time. But the Lost Light crew _do_ travel back in time, thus creating the history from which they travel back. Effectively it isn't a case of them changing the timeline, because their own reference frame in which they didn't travel back to that point until later is not privileged over the reference frame travelling the other way, which first sees them travelling to from their origin point to their destination. In effect, both ways of looking at it are equally valid - there was never a time before they travelled to Megatron's creation for the other history to exist in. Until Perceptor took the Paradox Locks off the time machine, thus alowing an alternate set of events to coexist with the real one. In essence, he has changed the nature of the universe and allowed there to be paradoxical events like an event being able to have multiple outcomes. Well done on breaking the fabric of the universe on a fundamental level Perceptor. Some really good sciencing that. (Consulting my Fictionauts Guide (Ellis, Campbell & Heinlein, sixth edition, third printing - the one with the incorrect literatlas which says there is a direct route from Maxinger to Gaogigar which doesn't go through Evangelion) I think I'd classify this as a "Budding Event" rather than a "John's-type Re-edition Event"... Karl |
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Post by kayevcee on Mar 6, 2015 13:04:13 GMT
Yep, I've read it. The opening scene turned out pretty much as expected based on the events of the previous issues, although there were still a few more curveballs left in the tank in the latter half.
I'm glad Brainstorm survived, but I'm sad that the green spark he was carrying around is now out of the picture. I was hoping Stormy would come back to the "Autobot phase sixer" scheme hatched with Prowl and Chromedome back when they were probing Overlord in the basement, especially after discovering that the DJD could -and indeed had- exterminate the entire crew of the Lost Light without much effort and they need some heavy hitters on board to stand up to the likes of Tarn. I know "brains over brawn" is very much a theme of MTMTE but I was rather looking forward to seeing Victory Leo or Greatshot barrelling into the DJD and giving them the sound thrashing they so richly deserve.
-Nick
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Mar 6, 2015 14:16:22 GMT
There was one moment I thought was particularly odd and out of place... And Perceptor should hang up his white coat in shame over it!
....While I figure out what it *really* means....
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Mar 6, 2015 23:16:43 GMT
A magnificent time-travel comic caper in the spirit of Bill and Ted and BTTF. Martin Funnily enough that's pretty much what I said to James on twitter the other day. The brief discussion centred on how important getting time travel right was important for the likes of us. |
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Mar 7, 2015 0:14:08 GMT
He is a good, kindly man.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 7, 2015 8:41:51 GMT
Ir appears as if James & MTMTE have a celebrity fan! Twitter Link |
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Post by KnightBeat on Mar 8, 2015 17:27:55 GMT
Alas, it looks like John DiMaggio was directed to it by another fan. So, what does the postscript tell us about Rung's alt mode? Rung's mode confounded the greatest minds in the functionist universe, but was understood by a humble janitor. What would a janitor know that Quark doesn't? The evidence can be found in the same panel - he's a brush handle! Incidentally, if there's cross-universe travel through the suitcase, I hope that Sweep visits the Lost Light and befriends Cyclonus. He desperately needs at least one Sweep. |
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Post by Toph on Mar 26, 2015 1:23:00 GMT
Last week i had a rare opportunity to go to a book store (the closest one near me is almost an hour away).
Giving me the chance to pick up some TPBs. Being several years behind on everything I read, I grabbed a couple new things, instead of trying to figure out where I left off.
So I got The Movement, and MTMTE vol 1.
Anyway, so by the end of vol 1 (because most of that was as boring as it gets), I went to amazon and ordered vol 2, and the final edition of The Movement.
After the second volume, I've come to the conclusion that the obnoxiousness of the idw fans (not anyone here, but other boards), and extremely poor choices on pack in comics is what put such a terrible taste in my mouth.
I still do not find it nearly as interesting as the pre-ahm stuff, but it's significantly better than the alternatives (aligned, movies, funpub), and significantly better than AHM and the following disaster.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 26, 2015 10:09:02 GMT
Anyway, so by the end of vol 1 (because most of that was as boring as it gets), I went to amazon and ordered vol 2 First time I've heard that said about v1! I think it's superb. I keep going back and re-reading it as I find more layers to what's going on there. |
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Mar 26, 2015 23:19:43 GMT
I think the problem with the pack in comics is that Hasbro has demanded comics be created to fit toys they want to make.
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Post by primenova on Apr 4, 2015 18:27:49 GMT
The cover for #39 really shows you who Tarn is - no way it can't be. Not posting a link due to maybe spoilers - avoid seeing covers for '39
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Post by Philip Ayres on Apr 4, 2015 18:49:53 GMT
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Apr 4, 2015 22:18:09 GMT
I am confused. Tarn looks like... Tarn.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Apr 5, 2015 7:29:43 GMT
I am confused. Tarn looks like... Tarn. although that cover
makes it look as if they're ALL Roller. Has someone been branching sparks again?
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Post by primenova on Apr 5, 2015 7:35:36 GMT
I think it would be good if James is doing it that the someone is being Tarn not out of his own free will. Some sort of glitch. So he doesn't know.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Apr 5, 2015 7:45:36 GMT
I suspect this is a free will thing for some of the reason outlined in that tfwiki link from December
If anything mind control or similar would be a bit of a cop out. I think this is about decisions made, paths chosen and the effects of our little time travel trip.
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Post by kayevcee on Apr 5, 2015 8:47:47 GMT
I only noticed on a second read-through of issue 38 that when Chromedome was reaching out to Rewind after he shot what-turned-out-to-be-not-Megatron, one panel was a close up of one hand touching another. When next we see Rewind, he's trying to remove an unconscious Brainstorm's faceplate- it's hanging by one side when he comes round. I suspect that Chromedome was asking him via hand-language (damn you Roberts, one more thing to look out for all the time) to check if Brainstorm was still wearing a Decepticon badge even after Megatron had called an end to hostilities. I'm not sure what that would prove, though.
-Nick
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Post by Philip Ayres on Apr 5, 2015 8:58:17 GMT
I'm pretty sure we've not seen the end of the Brainstorm is a Decepticon story yet.
I'm also pretty convinced that Chromedome has done something VERY naughty for Prowl at some point, possibly involving the big hole in Skids' memory that hasn't been resolved (the more recent hole has!) There's some suggestion that Skids May be Agent 113 who was in the DJD
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Post by kayevcee on Apr 5, 2015 10:29:07 GMT
Y'wot?
-Nick
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Post by primenova on Apr 5, 2015 13:29:34 GMT
I think we might have something sat in plane sight. We have Chromedome with his mind reading & who was linked up with Overlord back in that arc. Brainstorm issues. Mind control might be a cop out but if done in a dreaded way to make it horror like them becoming DJD - that this would be a number of characters to be all the DJD not just Tarn. Who could the others be?
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Post by kayevcee on Apr 6, 2015 17:03:52 GMT
Full preview on Comic Book ResourcesExpanding on the previous 3 page preview, and introducing what I expect will become many fans' new favourite character. As usual, it makes perfect sense. -Nick
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Post by Bogatan on Apr 6, 2015 18:22:40 GMT
Brilliant.
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Post by kayevcee on Apr 7, 2015 9:50:13 GMT
It does beg the question though, where did she come from? -Nick |
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Apr 8, 2015 10:51:57 GMT
Another great issue.
Tarn was absolutely splendid and I was impressed with the take on Deathsaurus.
Andy
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