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Post by Toph on Aug 24, 2015 12:14:57 GMT
I've learned a lot from this thread.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Aug 24, 2015 13:17:25 GMT
35mm film still has a higher resolution than any digital video format. This is why many pre-digital films can have the same (or more) clarity than recently-produced produced films when a good-quality remaster job is done on the original print. I can't recall where BD stands in relation to 16mm quality wise but the stuff I've seen on BD from 16mm sources, Spearhead from Space an obvious example, is better than the equivalent DVD version (and not just cos of the better colour grade!) www.purpleville.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/rtwebsite/SpearheadFromSpaceBlu-ray.htmThe roll over pic there is interesting to look at. |
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Post by legios on Aug 24, 2015 16:54:59 GMT
Anything on 16mm film is not going to look as good as 35mm film. The definition of 16mm film is not up to the same level as 35mm. Whether it is natively better than Blu-Ray I don't know, but it certainly doesn't come close to 35mm. (Found this out courtesy of "Robotech:The Movie" - which was made in the 1980's by mixing footage from Megazone 23 (shot on 35mm at the dawn of the OAV) with footage from Super Dimension Cavalry Southern Cross(shot on 16mm because it was a TV series funded by cheapskates). Seeing the two sandwhiched together like that makes the difference tooth-grindingly obvious.
Karl
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 13, 2017 16:30:17 GMT
I've just bought a Blu ray player - anyone else own one ? A couple of months back the blue laser in my blu ray player died. We knew it was coming as there'd been a few discs it had had trouble with, notably the Tinker Tailer film. Money, time, and other things dying has affected my ability to deal with it (seriously, the number of tech problems the last few months has done my head in) not helped by me struggling to find a player with a subtitle button on the handset for Liz's convenience. But thanks to some assistance from m'learned colleagues I now have a new player and can once again view discs in stunning Howard Donald! |
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 13, 2017 17:22:17 GMT
Now that I using streaming HD video any remaining urge to get a blu-ray player has died.
-Ralph
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Post by Pinwig on Jul 13, 2017 21:40:01 GMT
The Doctor truly lives on the cutting edge of tech. Discs? Pah. All the cool kids stream.
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Jul 13, 2017 22:19:12 GMT
Streaming mostly these days but still enjoying the occasional bluray disk for things not on streaming services and for extras etc. like on the TNG box set.
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Post by Bogatan on Aug 10, 2019 13:12:42 GMT
Been having fun trying to watch assorted blu rays and dvds recently. I have a Blu Ray that no longer plays Blu Rays, but does play region 2 dvds. Another Blu Ray player often won't read discs, then does but tends to start skipping and failing after an hour or two. I have a dvd player thats multiregion but I lost the control.
Today while trying to play Transformers Animated I had the non bluray playing blu ray player and remoteless dvd player on at the same time on different TVs. I discovered the blu ray remote works on the dvd player, but the buttons don't do the same things.
After half an hour mapping out the remote I can now just about operate the DVD player. The play button turns the volume up. Return button is the on/off button. The D button is select.
This is all very confusing, but I have a just about usable dvd player again so I'm happy.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Aug 10, 2019 13:27:52 GMT
Been having fun trying to watch assorted blu rays and dvds recently. I have a Blu Ray that no longer plays Blu Rays The Blue laser has failed in it. Happened to me with player#1 |
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Post by Bogatan on Aug 10, 2019 13:53:51 GMT
Yeah, I figured, but it has made me aware of how limited the options are for replacements. Theres basically 2 models available for under £100 and everything over that is a 4k player with Bluray back compatibility.
DVD players, on the whole, seem more reliable (my first dvd player from Netto around 2001 still works) and dirt cheap replacements are still reasonably easy to buy. Its slightly concerning to realise my Blu Ray collection could very easily become unviewable quite suddenly.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Aug 10, 2019 14:40:50 GMT
I have some films just on DVD (all pre-2000), some on both Blu-ray and DVD, some just on Blu-ray, some on both Blu-ray and 3D Blu-ray (though I never got a 3D TV) and now some on both Blu-ray and 4K UltraHD (though I have nothing to play the 4K discs on as yet). And Alita Battle Angel (which stands up pretty well upon re-watching, I must say) came in a 3-disc set containing Blu-ray, 3D Blu-ray and 4K UltraHD - only one of which I can play!
Dunno why, I always feel compelled to get the most complete set of discs, even if I can't do anything with some of them. I think one day I'll be glad I collected the 4Ks. Not so confident about the 3Ds.
Martin
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Post by Bogatan on Aug 10, 2019 15:21:49 GMT
Yeah I feel commited to the MCU 3d releases at this point, but at the same time realise switching to the 4K sets is probably a better long term strategy.
The US has already ditched the 3D releases on the last few MCU films. So either Europe has better sales of 3D or they'll be dropped here as well sooner or later.
The US still offers DVD/Blu Ray/4K and often digital downloads combo releases though which is a really good package.
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Post by The Doctor on Aug 10, 2019 20:42:20 GMT
None of the MCU films were shot in 3D: all are converted in post (as is Disney practice for their big franchise fare) so you're not missing much of the 'vision' of the films if the 3D option is dropped in theatrical formats. Which makes me think, are 3D prints offered on any streaming network?
-Ralph
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Post by The Doctor on Aug 10, 2019 20:43:35 GMT
RE: Discs. Streaming has made me lazy. Generally, the only DVD's I watch are 20th Century Doctor Who these days. Even then, I've watched far more of that on Twitch in the last year than from a disc!
-Ralph
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Post by Pinwig on Dec 13, 2020 12:21:54 GMT
Been thinking about this recently. Will 4K discs be the last physical media tv/film is released on? We know sales-wise DVD is still holding its own against Blu-Ray because of convenience and cheapness, so 4K discs must sell even less than Blu Ray by quite a margin. It seems to me that aside from new films, 4K seems to be about bells and whistles re-releases of classic films for collectors, trying to get them to triple dip on the disc format. Old TV is a separate issue - obviously DVD is fine there - but I've been looking at my film collection recently wondering what I actually need it to be now when in many cases I can stream HD versions on demand. What now do I need to own?
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 13, 2020 12:23:30 GMT
Santa Claus: The Movie.
-Ralph
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Dec 13, 2020 12:25:02 GMT
Anything you actually want to keep, as licenses and rights being what they are there is no guarantee you will be able to access them in the future.
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Post by Pinwig on Dec 13, 2020 12:27:16 GMT
That's a good point.
So basically all the Carry On films then.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Dec 13, 2020 13:05:12 GMT
Anything you actually want to keep, as licenses and rights being what they are there is no guarantee you will be able to access them in the future. I don't know how big a risk this actually is, but psychologically I have always had a compulsion to own things on physical media and never trust the remote storage of data I care about, whether that's personal files or film/TV. Since HMV reopened in the summer, that compulsion combined with a reaction to the enforced lockdown and associated accumulation of disposable income leading me to fork hundreds of pounds over to that shop in the last few months. What Phil has been to toys, I have been to shiny discs these last few months. My biggest single purchase was Star Trek: TNG on Blu-ray. Other TV series bought recently include The Boys S1, Stargirl S1, Supergirl S5 and New Who S1-3. I also panic bought the complete Adam West Batman on Blu-ray just before the first lockdown. My collection of cinema-released films on shiny disc now stands at about 150. This includes about 25 films in 3D format and a similar number in 4K, even though I currently lack the ability to play either format. (3D and 4K discs always come with a standard Blu-ray version, and it is the standard Blu-ray disc that invariably contains all the extras.) The 150 films include 15 MCU, 8 James Bond, 6 Tolkien, 6 Pink Panther and 6 Mission: Impossible. I think the oldest film I own is James Stewart's Harvey (1950), the newest Charlie's Angels (2019)... but that will soon be Tenet (2020). Martin |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Dec 13, 2020 13:13:04 GMT
I have mixed feelings in relation to steelbooks. They look lovely, but not very practical when they contain more than one disc. For some reason they don't seem to make them with one disc on the left and one on the right, but rather two on the right with one slotted behind the other. For someone with OCD about scratches and thumb marks on discs, this makes it rather tricky to get discs in and out without sustaining damage. I also give low marks to the Adam West Batman box set packaging for the same reason. Discs should never be one on top of the other.
Martin
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Post by Bogatan on Dec 13, 2020 14:21:26 GMT
Been thinking about this recently. Will 4K discs be the last physical media tv/film is released on? We know sales-wise DVD is still holding its own against Blu-Ray because of convenience and cheapness, so 4K discs must sell even less than Blu Ray by quite a margin. It seems to me that aside from new films, 4K seems to be about bells and whistles re-releases of classic films for collectors, trying to get them to triple dip on the disc format. Old TV is a separate issue - obviously DVD is fine there - but I've been looking at my film collection recently wondering what I actually need it to be now when in many cases I can stream HD versions on demand. What now do I need to own? The problem is not so much the discs, but the players. Its fine having a large bluray or 4k collection, but the range of Bluray players is incredibly small compared to dvd and not cheap. 4K has never reached the mass market levels that result in cheap players and seems unlikely to do so now. Even DVD players are now going up in price. A decade ago budget DVD players under £20 were everywhere. Now its £25+ online and £30+ in the shops. If I remember correctly manufacturers have to pay Sony to produce Bluray players meaning they will never be as cheap and I can see production of them largely stopping. Between that and how many DVDs have been sold I expect DVD players being made long after Bluray players. If you want you own back up collection, DVD seems to be the safe bet. |
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 13, 2020 15:15:03 GMT
Streaming has made me lazy but if I really want to watch something again a disc is the way to go. Old tv doesn't tend to be on streaming much, alas.
Prime is very fickle for things coming and going quickly. Many a time I've tagged something to watch later and it's gone before I can see it.
I have the 2004 dvd release of original Star Trek before it got the HD upgrade. I prefer watching it on dvd in SD though as HD is not kind to many of the sets and make-up designs. The image is sharper in HD (which is the version on Netix) but it doesn't help the show in my opinion. Some old telly was shot in 35mm as that was the medium in use rather than in any intention to be seen/made in such clarity.
-Ralph
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Dec 13, 2020 15:49:50 GMT
I reckon I have almost 50 of my 150 films (mostly films that are more than 20 years old) on both DVD and Blu-ray, which I guess adds extra resilience to my collection. With around 25 newer films on 3D and 25 on 4K, that leaves about 50 films that I just have a single disc copy of (the older ones on DVD, the newer ones on Blu-ray).
I think there's just one film in my favourite 20 films of all time that has yet to have a Region B Blu-ray release, and that's Peter Sellers' funniest film, 'A Shot in the Dark'. It's the second in the Pink Panther series. The first and third films ('The Pink Panther' and 'The Return of the Pink Panther') have both been available on Blu-ray for years.
Martin
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Post by Bogatan on Dec 13, 2020 16:03:57 GMT
Somewhat by accident at first, but intentionally later many of my Blurays (mostly MCU and a few disney) are from the US which has continued to release multiformat packs with DVD, Bluray and sometime 3D Bluray or 4k.
I've done very little double dipping otherwise, usually for extra features rather than the visual upgrade.
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Post by Toph on Dec 13, 2020 16:23:04 GMT
Been thinking about this recently. Will 4K discs be the last physical media tv/film is released on? We know sales-wise DVD is still holding its own against Blu-Ray because of convenience and cheapness, so 4K discs must sell even less than Blu Ray by quite a margin. It seems to me that aside from new films, 4K seems to be about bells and whistles re-releases of classic films for collectors, trying to get them to triple dip on the disc format. Old TV is a separate issue - obviously DVD is fine there - but I've been looking at my film collection recently wondering what I actually need it to be now when in many cases I can stream HD versions on demand. What now do I need to own? The problem is not so much the discs, but the players. Its fine having a large bluray or 4k collection, but the range of Bluray players is incredibly small compared to dvd and not cheap. 4K has never reached the mass market levels that result in cheap players and seems unlikely to do so now. Even DVD players are now going up in price. A decade ago budget DVD players under £20 were everywhere. Now its £25+ online and £30+ in the shops. If I remember correctly manufacturers have to pay Sony to produce Bluray players meaning they will never be as cheap and I can see production of them largely stopping. Between that and how many DVDs have been sold I expect DVD players being made long after Bluray players. If you want you own back up collection, DVD seems to be the safe bet. I think it would have been a much better outcome had HD-DVD won that war. If I remember, I *think* it had better capabilities in general, and Sony didn't own the patents. And honestly the only reason Bluray won out was because Sony had it installed into the Playstations. And the problem with streaming is it relies on the internet. That's fine for some, but completely shuts out more people than anyone likes to admit to. Here in America, internet is not treated as a utility, and thus we do not have an infrastructure for it, and no services are required to provide it. Basically, if you don't live in a city, you're screwed. There are third world countries that have better internet than America. And now there are so many streaming services with all the shows spread out across them, that it's more expensive than cable. Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Prime, Apple+ (wtf does FUCKING APPLE have a streaming service?), Disney+ (which is pointless because they own hulu), AMC+, Discovery+, Curiosity Stream, HBO Max, CBS All Access, Peacock. This is well over $100 a month, and it's still only just a few of them. On top of that, most of them only care about netting new subscribers. Netflix doesn't care if they lose 1000 long term subscribers, if they gain 500 new subscribers. Which seems like a crazy bad business model, to me. It's why Netflix routinely cancels shows after season 3. They've decided that shows past season 3 fail to net new subscribers, and thus not worth putting money into. What streaming services have devolved into, as opposed to what they were at the start, is not tenable. It's going to collapse, sooner or later. And the sad thing is that the damage it's caused to physical media like DVD is permanent. The question is, will it collapse before it's completely crushed that market, or after? (And like... It's not evin intended. Netflix didn't set out to crush DVD/Bluray. It's the false sense of permanence people feel from streaming that tells them they don't need to buy a physical copy of their favorite show that's doing it) |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Dec 13, 2020 16:37:50 GMT
I think it would have been a much better outcome had HD-DVD won that war. If I remember, I *think* it had better capabilities in general, and Sony didn't own the patents. And honestly the only reason Bluray won out was because Sony had it installed into the Playstations. There is the small matter of owning a film studio, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Picture, formerly Columbia, bought in the wake of Beta-Max's failure to ensure they never lost a format war again, and said studio ONLY releasing on BD. BDs in Playstations didn't hurt though! |
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Post by Bogatan on Dec 13, 2020 18:17:16 GMT
The studio split was pretty even for a long time. Rival studios didnt want to be reliant on Sony.
Microsoft should have been encouraged to have HDDVD built into the 360 instead of an add on. That would have at least prolonged the fight.
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Dec 13, 2020 23:52:37 GMT
Anything you actually want to keep, as licenses and rights being what they are there is no guarantee you will be able to access them in the future. I don't know how big a risk this actually is, but psychologically I have always had a compulsion to own things on physical media and never trust the remote storage of data I care about, whether that's personal files or film/TV. Martin More frequent than you think, especially when you look into films/series where the rights to the content and the distribution rights are held separately. 60's Batman being a prime example - whenever the current deal expires I can see it vanishing from online stores given Disney now own distribution rights thanks to their acquisition of Fox and WB own the actual content. Look how long it took for FOX and WB to come to a deal. Lots of things once available digitally that are no longer there and there are the things that will never be available. 60's FF Cartoon - another Disney/WB split. |
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Dec 13, 2020 23:54:00 GMT
The studio split was pretty even for a long time. Rival studios didnt want to be reliant on Sony. Microsoft should have been encouraged to have HDDVD built into the 360 instead of an add on. That would have at least prolonged the fight. Cost of Blu-Ray license means nobody will pack it as a built in option on a PC/laptop, so that has also contributed to the abandonment of physical media. |
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Post by Toph on Dec 14, 2020 2:38:40 GMT
I don't know how big a risk this actually is, but psychologically I have always had a compulsion to own things on physical media and never trust the remote storage of data I care about, whether that's personal files or film/TV. Martin More frequent than you think, especially when you look into films/series where the rights to the content and the distribution rights are held separately. 60's Batman being a prime example - whenever the current deal expires I can see it vanishing from online stores given Disney now own distribution rights thanks to their acquisition of Fox and WB own the actual content. Look how long it took for FOX and WB to come to a deal. Lots of things once available digitally that are no longer there and there are the things that will never be available. 60's FF Cartoon - another Disney/WB split. And as Disney gobbles up more and more of the market, this will only get worse. And Disney would rather no one make any money, than share a profit. Even if the only effort they have to make is collect money. I seem to be alone, but I'm convinced this is why RiD has vanished. |
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