I don't see how? I already mentioned Ultra Magnus as being the only repaintable character from Optimus.
He was a repaint of Optimus from the very start. Nothing unique about it.
Ultra Magnus was not a repaint of Optimus. That is the lazy Dreamwave take. Ultra Magnus is a repaint of Powered Convoy. The combining trailer that assembles with the white cab to become a robot is Ultra Magnus. Not the cab on it's own.
Which I think was Matt's point. They just painted MP 1 white and called him Ultra Magnus, but it flat out isn't. It's just a white Prime, I think they will do a Sunstreaker out of MP-12 at some point.
The thing that annoys me with the whole 'Ultra Magnus/white Prime' thing is that is is a lazy repaint which never appeared in any fiction apart from Dreamwaves one off (and the first it was ever used in any fiction was Andy Dornans Parrellel Lives story btw).
I've no problems with Magnus having a 'white Prime mode' but this seems to have stopped a very important character getting any proper updates.
It wouldn't suprise me if MP Sideswipe does become a Sunstreaker but I still wouldn't like it. Actually, if you think about the original mix-up of their tech specs you could argue that Sunstreaker is actually a yellow Sideswipe & vice versa.
White Magnus never bothered me to much possibly because I played with the cab robot as much as the combined with trailer mode.
Magnus kind of claimed the mould too because I got Magnus a few years before I got a Prime so Prime was very much the animation model in my head enforced when I got PMOP. I only realised the two of them shared a mould when I saw the picture of Prime in the Ladybird books.
PMOP and even then PMOP was much more similar to the animation model.
Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Mar 17, 2012 20:58:19 GMT
Um... not sure whether or how to vote, but I think the characters can do anything the toys can do, and if Ultra Magnus lost his trailer or wanted a smaller form, e.g. to do maintenance on the trailer, he could certainly transform his cab into a white robot that looked like Prime. Why deny him that ability?
Anyway, I give you the Transformers Victory pilot from 1989. Check out 04:46. Ultra Magnus?
I would have to vote no here, but on the grounds that I don't think that Ultra Magnus should just be a white repaint of Optimus Prime. They toys didn't start out identical. Whilst they shared one identical component they were otherwise significantly different - Prime had a repair facility/ combat unit as his trailer whilst Ultra Magnus' trailer, at the very least is a GBP-like augmented armour system or - as depicted in all of the the official media prior to the Dreamwave comic is an actual integral part of the humanoid mode.
For me, Ultra Magnus is a cab/trailer combination that forms a single large humanoid form when he transforms, whilst Optimus Prime is a tripartite entity comprised of three independent components which can operate semi-autonomously.
I enjoy Magnus being a white Prime, but it should be the exception rather than the rule. The first time they did it, it was gloriously goofy and I lapped it up. But after he became the default Prime repaint it got a bit boring. Thankfully Hasbro seem to have stopped doing that.
After reading through the thread, I can't remember how I voted now! I think I voted No, in that I don't think he's just a white Optimus. The character of 'Ultra Magnus' is a white Optimus WITH a trailer, in which he spends most of his time (so should I have voted yes?!?!?). My City Commander, using the white Classics Optimus, is a toy I'm very fond of. I think when I first got him I had a very complex origin of him in my head that he's a clone of Optimus who disguises that fact by wearing armour. He was accidentally cloned by Unicron, when Unicron cloned Megatron to created Galvatron, whom he needed to destroy the Matrix... or something like that!!!
What-ever, I do agree that just a white Optimus called Ultra Magnus isn't the full character and is cheating. Magnus is more than just a white Optimus. That is the official opinion of Shockprowl!
Last Edit: Mar 18, 2012 20:25:23 GMT by Shockprowl
I was the one who let you know, I was your sorry ever after, '84, '85. Give me new toys and I'll decide, but I'm really only after, '84, '85.