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Post by Baron B of Triple B on Mar 29, 2017 23:23:37 GMT
So a character not part of the CHUG or MP lines? Hmmmmmm.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 29, 2017 23:35:23 GMT
Stunningly close, technically correct, but no!
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 30, 2017 8:22:39 GMT
To be clear, Bazza has got the NOT CHUG and NOT MP element of the clue correct.
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Post by Benn on Mar 30, 2017 8:36:43 GMT
Not CHUG, not a Masterpiece... Hmm. 'When we look back' implies a retro line though.
Does 'Not chugging along' mean no trains, either?
Gold Box classic heroes?
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 30, 2017 8:46:22 GMT
Pipes.
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 30, 2017 11:40:22 GMT
Not CHUG, not a Masterpiece... Hmm. 'When we look back' implies a retro line though. It's not a toyline we're looking for this week, more a type of TF toy..... But definitely not CHUG or Masterpiece toys. I'll find an example for later and see if it helps you.
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Post by The Huff on Mar 30, 2017 12:07:21 GMT
A toy that is a homage of a past toy but is not actually supposed to be that character?
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 30, 2017 12:30:49 GMT
Ralph might have problems with that concept.
"But it definitely is" when applied to say, Cybertron Downshift being Wheeljack, has troubled him in the past.
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 30, 2017 12:37:30 GMT
Toys with trailers.
-Ralph
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 30, 2017 12:39:57 GMT
Ralph might have problems with that concept. "But it definitely is" when applied to say, Cybertron Downshift being Wheeljack, has troubled him in the past. Downshift is not Wheeljack!!! -Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 30, 2017 12:45:51 GMT
Told you.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 30, 2017 12:47:36 GMT
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Post by The Huff on Mar 30, 2017 14:49:24 GMT
Funny, Downshift was on my mind when I thought of homage toys that are not supposed actually to be that character - along with the Hot-Rod coloured Speadbreaker/Sideburn and the Spychanger Hot Shot that is couloured like Stepper.
Anyway - another guess: Preschool or toys made for younger fans?
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 30, 2017 15:20:19 GMT
Funny, Downshift was on my mind when I thought of homage toys that are not supposed actually to be that character - along with the Hot-Rod coloured Speadbreaker/Sideburn and the Spychanger Hot Shot that is couloured like Stepper. There are fair number of them, it was quite a fun game in the old days pre CHUG. Anyway - another guess: Preschool or toys made for younger fans? I think we can safely say this later guess is wrong!
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Post by blueshift on Mar 30, 2017 17:32:35 GMT
Toys which have been repurposed by fandom/Botcon?
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 30, 2017 21:46:36 GMT
One is Downshift. The other is Wheeljack. They are different characters. -Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 30, 2017 21:51:09 GMT
Oh Dear
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 31, 2017 6:31:52 GMT
Week 204: Top 5 Toy homages/updates that aren't CHUG or MP
The phrasing of the question could be a little better this week.
We're looking for remakes & homages of toys in the original transformers line that aren't direct updates like found in CHUG or MP. Anything in RiD, original Universe, Unicron Trilogy, Movies, Animated, Prime or RiD 2015. The Downshift example above is a great one, because he's a Wheeljack homage. Or the red Hot Shot repaints as Hot Rod.
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Post by Shockprowl on Mar 31, 2017 6:46:36 GMT
Energon Downshift served as my Classics Wheeljack brilliantly for many years. Great toy, great Wheeljack.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 31, 2017 7:13:51 GMT
Ditto. Which is why he'll be number one on my list.
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 31, 2017 7:57:17 GMT
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
-Ralph
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Post by Benn on Mar 31, 2017 8:12:15 GMT
Phil, you do know there's a difference between homaging something and updating it, right?
Downshift is not and never will be Wheeljack.
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Post by legios on Mar 31, 2017 8:20:35 GMT
Phil, you do know there's a difference between homaging something and updating it, right? Downshift is not and never will be Wheeljack. Indeed - to give a real-world example, there was last year (or possibly the year before, I forget) a Hawk T Mk.2 that the Royal Air Force had painted in the same colours and wearing the same markings and serial number has a Spitfire from the 1940s. That made that Hawk a homage to the spit in questions, but it wasn't in any way an update of that spitfire. It was an entirely different aircraft with an entirely different function. In the same way Downshift had the same head design as "The Transformers" Wheeljack, so could be seen as a homage, but did not have the same personality, skill-set or history so he isn't really an update of the character. He was a separate character who had some physical resemblance to the aforesaid. For me, an update is where something is presented as a new version of something pre-existing - so the RTS Jazz is a new version of "The Transformers" Jazz, so he is an update. Whereas Super Speedbreaker is not presented as a new version of Hor Rodimus, he just shares a colour scheme with him - so he remains Speedbreaker, just homaging Hot Rodimus. Karl
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Post by blueshift on Mar 31, 2017 8:26:19 GMT
Phil, you do know there's a difference between homaging something and updating it, right? Downshift is not and never will be Wheeljack. Imagine if Phil gave me this one to do last week!!!!!
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 31, 2017 8:39:31 GMT
Phil, you do know there's a difference between homaging something and updating it, right? Downshift is not and never will be Wheeljack. Downshift is correctly named Wheeljack in Japan. What we are getting at here are toys that look like or resemble original Transformers characters, that may or may not have the same name and aren't intended as a direct new version of that character. So Classics Op, CW Op and TR Op are meant to be the original Optimus Prime Armada, Energon & Cyberton Op aren't, but they contain varying amounts of design elements of the original Energon Downshift is blatantly meant to look like Wheeljack. Energon Roadblock looks like Grapple, with a bonus that he's a repaint of that line's Infero. RiD Super Side Burn, Armada Powerlinx Hot Shot and Cybertron Excellion are all meant to invoke Hot Rod
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Post by Kingoji on Mar 31, 2017 8:53:04 GMT
Also, update can mean many things. Goldbug, Powermaster Optimus, Pretender Classic Starscream, Actionmaster Blaster, Generation 2 Megatron, Beast wars Grimlock, etc etc, are all updates. Right up until Animated and Aligned, in fact.
EDIT. Never mind, Phil clarified before I posted.
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Post by Benn on Mar 31, 2017 9:02:47 GMT
Phil, you do know there's a difference between homaging something and updating it, right? Downshift is not and never will be Wheeljack. Imagine if Phil gave me this one to do last week!!!!! I don't think anyone would have believed you!
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Post by The Huff on Mar 31, 2017 10:16:24 GMT
So wait- did I actually guess correctly!? What do I win?
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 31, 2017 10:20:08 GMT
A speedboat.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 31, 2017 10:21:16 GMT
This is proving tricky. Everytime I get a decent top 5 together I think of some more.
I know the top 3 for definite. I think
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