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Post by The Doctor on Jan 12, 2014 17:00:51 GMT
MD Shockwave is a fantastic toy!
-Ralph
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Post by Benn on Jan 12, 2014 17:22:47 GMT
NOAnd besides it's a name week.... and that toy isn't named Shockwave/Shockblast. Does that disqualify my choice of Laserwave as well?
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Post by kayevcee on Jan 12, 2014 17:53:08 GMT
Nick has let me down by not voting for Micron Legend Shockwave! ... Okay, that's my number 1. -Nick
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Post by Shockprowl on Jan 12, 2014 20:17:25 GMT
Well, it's Big Phil's thread, so he makes the rules as far as I'm concerned, no problemo. I was expecting more of a lively counter argument (as is the spirit of The Hub!) than the trademark/ownership aspects. Although the trademark/ownership aspect is important and valid, I feel I'd made a good (and heartfelt) case against it, so was hoping for more than 'GodMod says no' (as horny as GodMod powers are). But then again all that is deffinately deffinately better in it's own thread, instead of clogging up poor Big Phil's Top 5 thread!
Thanks for the backup Pinwig and Nickos! They have this round, brothers, but we'll win the war! Quakewave demands it (he told me).
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 12, 2014 20:42:28 GMT
Well I did have a word with the sensational Marvel Comics character 'The Sentry' and he agreed with me so the ruling had to come down.
-Ralph
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Post by Shockprowl on Jan 12, 2014 20:49:49 GMT
It was probably The Void you were talking to.
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 12, 2014 20:53:51 GMT
No, it was definitely him. He was having a chinwag with Prowl, who also agreed with me.
-Ralph
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Post by Shockprowl on Jan 12, 2014 21:28:14 GMT
Dear God! The Void has taken control of Prowl!
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Post by Bogatan on Jan 12, 2014 22:08:29 GMT
I spent a surprising amount of time in bed last night drifting off to sleep thinking about this issue and eventually came down to one simple fact. Back in the day, my knock off Shockwave did sit in the same collection as my other Transformers, but he was always on the subs bench along with Omegatron and eventually got taken apart in a fit of childish curiosity because he ‘didn’t matter’. I never saw him as being a ‘proper’ Transformer, despite the fact he was from the same mould as the real one and as far as I could see was differentiated only by the fact he lacked a Decepticon badge. So if I apply that logic here within the constraints of the actual question, Quakewave can’t count. However, I would say that Quakewave is by far and away the best representation of this character in any form ever. He is absolutely superb and would top not only my Shockwave list if allowed, but also any other top five Transformer lists he would be allowed on. So like Kayevcee, he is only not there for the sake of harmony. I’m not deserting the cause Shockprowl, there is certainly a separate discussion about what constitutes a real transformer. I saw that hideous £30 Optimus in Tesco again yesterday. That has the Hasbro name on the box, but it ain’t a Transformer in my eyes. Anyway: I'll risk the mod wrath to reply, because I've spent time considering this issue too. Anyone wanting to move it elsewhere please do, but as everyone in this thread has given their top 5 so till next ~Friday I dont feel I'm being disruptive. Pretty much agree here, I have a few KO type things that have been part of my collection for decades and were played with alongside my Transformers and I am as attached to them as my Transformers but it doesnt make them Transformers. 3P is much the same, some of it fits my collection, but its not Transformers.
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Post by legios on Jan 13, 2014 19:20:20 GMT
Week 36: Shockwave
5) DOTM Shockwave - The humanoid mode is pretty good, a fair stab at carrying over the sense of Shockwave's main features to the greebly movie aesthetic. The tank mode is ok, not great but there is a general sense of what it is attempting to be.
4) Micron Denetsu Shockwave: A completely new aesthetic attached to an old name. A lot of fun with its fleet of different vessels, it's spacecraft mode and it's monolithically huge humanoid form. It may be a new character who happens to share the name, but it feels like it can live up to the original - both in terms of being a powerful character in its own right, and as a successor to the role of "Military Operations Commander".
3) Alternator Shockblast - A fair stab at doing "what Shockwave would look like at as a car", quite nicely articulated and quite looks very good in both modes. Let down by the fiddliness of getting it between the two.
2) "The Transformers" Shockwave: The original, showing its age a little in engineering terms but it still looks great, and is the source of everything which came after.
1) Actionmaster Shockwave - A perfect rendition of Shockwave's appearance in the cartoon. Looks like what I think of when I think of Shockwave.
Karl
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jan 13, 2014 20:24:20 GMT
So come on Ian: Top 5 Shockwaves!
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Post by Shockprowl on Jan 14, 2014 13:07:13 GMT
I'm thinking, I'm thinking.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jan 16, 2014 10:05:32 GMT
Thursday Tease Time:
This coming week's subject has been mentioned in the last week.
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Post by Shockprowl on Jan 16, 2014 20:22:35 GMT
Toys named Laserwave?
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Post by Shockprowl on Jan 16, 2014 20:35:45 GMT
Nearly friday again! Ok here are my top 5 Shockwaves (my 2nd favorite Transformers character). Like the wise and beautiful Nickos, I shall move peacefully and leave number 1 blank.
On Shockwaves, I still mourn the fact they never made that 6 inch Titanium we saw plans of ages ago.
5. Energon. Bonkersly large gun arm ruins the shape of the toy, but this was the first Shockwave looking toy we'd had since G1. He's still my 'Classics' Shockwave. Maybe the as yet unobtained still Beast Hunters will take that spot from him.
4. Alternators. Just a great idea, to throw an Alternators car Shockwave out there. Kept his gun arm. I'd have loved a similar treatement for Soundwave as well.
3. Movie. Although not a fan of the 'Movie style', this Shockwave looks alien and freaky and evil. Nice job. Shame he did bugger all in the film.
2. G1. I still don't own one, but I have the grey Shackwave. Just a wonderfully unique Transformer. Bloody huge compared to Megatron though!
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Post by legios on Jan 16, 2014 21:09:10 GMT
5. Energon. Bonkersly large gun arm ruins the shape of the toy, but this was the first Shockwave looking toy we'd had since G1. He's still my 'Classics' Shockwave. Maybe the as yet unobtained still Beast Hunters will take that spot from him. I actually quite like the unbalanced look of Energon Shockblast (but then, my experience with things like Battletech has hardened me to designs which look like their weight balance is all over the place. God bless gyroscopes for keeping things standing up eh?) With Shockblast it makes for a bit of a character statement in the design - it feels like he is declaring "I will not lower myself to brawl with you. I will simply eliminate you from over here before you get close enough that I have to sully my manipulators" Karl
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Post by Shockprowl on Jan 16, 2014 21:10:49 GMT
Ha! Yes I like that! That's one advantage of have a bonkersly huge gun! You're the man, Karlos.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jan 17, 2014 6:59:03 GMT
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jan 17, 2014 7:29:52 GMT
5) GrimlockIt's really hard to see Grimlock as anything other than a T-Rex but this gives it a good go. 4) RodimusBest Alternator I never owned. Loved this, great reinterpretation of Rodimus. Would love to see IDW BB redone in these colours. 3) HoundFabulous modern Hound 2) TracksAfter a false start, with the Japanese version in the wrong colours, this makes a superb Tracks 1) SmokescreenA really great colour set for Smokescreen that works despite not being his traditional colours. Recently reused on a superb Cyberverse toy
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Post by Stomski on Jan 17, 2014 10:06:03 GMT
Rare for you to be straight in there with your Top 5 Phil! Normally you tease us. BT Hound - A perfect version of Hound for me and possibly the best BT/Alt mold for transforming. Kiss Players Convoy - Improved plastic quality edges this out over Alternity release. The large Dodge grill on the front of the truck is reminiscent of Prime's flat nosed truck grill and robot mode stands strong and proud as Prime should. A shame it comes with slightly uncomfortable cover art and surfer girl figure. Kiss Players Hot Rodimus - Again - higher plastic quality and lack of the underwhelming flames of the Hasbro release make me like this mold more. Whilst it does look good in Blue as Alt Mirage, Mirage is an F1 car. Also, he comes with a fishing rod which echoes the scene at the start of TFTM. Dead End - Despite the fact it would suit the character more if it was a burgundy colour paint job with tinted windows (rather than black with red windows), this is such a great looking alt mode in this colour scheme. BT Tracks (Blue) - Yummy. A shame the doors in robot mode don't rotate to be white to be reminiscent of the G1 wings But it has built in shoulder cannons, so that's kinda good enough! Honourable mentions - agree with Phil re. Grimlock and Smokescreen! Also partial to Overdrive.
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Post by legios on Jan 17, 2014 10:27:18 GMT
Week 37: Alternators/Binaltech/Binaltech Asterisk/Kiss Players Are we rolling Alternity in here - given it is the same general engineering and aesthetic at a different scale, or is that going to be covered another time? Karl
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jan 17, 2014 10:35:39 GMT
Alternity is sort of a different line. These are all one, just the Western/japanese versions
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Post by Bogatan on Jan 17, 2014 11:10:26 GMT
1. Smokescreen - was the first and best. Coming hot on the heel of MP Prime it felt like the deluxe class masterpiece line to go along side the full blown big boy MPs. Sadly for me it was downhill almost all the way from here.
2. Hound - Almost as good as Smokescreen, but the feet are all wrong. I don't think I have ever been a fan of a new toy based on an older one going from large chunky legs or feet to slimmed down more humanoid versions. Hound and classic Grimlock are my two big offenders and especially here it depressing as this would be one of my all time favourites.
3. Shockwave - I've never owned Jazz the photos I saw of it never looked quite right The hip for some reason and the feet again) and by then the lines had lost there appeal with Sideswipes that didn't look like Sideswipe and repaints that just didn't interest me. But at some point I find Shockwave at Argos somewhere and think why not. It's everything that was by then bugging me, a repaint that didn't make a whole lot of sense but was fantastic. Not being Jazz meant the issues I had with the mould no longer applied and the robot mode was so perfect that I really should go back to last weeks and adjust my top 5.
4. Kiss Player tapes - Finally got these a few years ago. They so nice.
5. Ravage. Bonkers brilliance. Looking at pictures of it for the first time in years I really want the concept adapted into the live action series.
Bubbling under: Optimus Prime, still kind of like it, but feel it would have made a better Thunderclash if licensing stuff wasn't an issue. Grimlock, only ever had a KO, I imagine the real thing was quite good. Oddly not such a fan of Wheeljack. Sunstreaker and Rodimus. In fact theres quite a few that I might have bought if I'd ever seen Alternator releases of them in the shops.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jan 17, 2014 18:45:56 GMT
I think Smokescreen and Hound feel and look like Smokescreen and Hound.... even given that Smokescreen's colours are different. They're vaguely the right shape. Most of the others just don't.
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 17, 2014 19:12:48 GMT
I only ever got Smokescreen and Bluestreak from this line. I thought they were quite fun to display in either mode but sucked donkey balls to transform!
-Ralph
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Post by Pinwig on Jan 17, 2014 23:18:46 GMT
I only ever bought the Binaltechs for these as the die cast metal made them feel a bit more special, but it was a line I never completed. I lost interest when figures that were never supposed to be cars started appearing.
5. Lambor. Not quite right, but at the time it was pretty awesome.
4. Meister. Closer, still off, but bulkier than Lambor.
3. Tracks, blue version. I did like this one. I like Tracks. No idea why, but put the G1 next to this and it's not a bad likeness.
2. Hound. More G1 accurate than most of the line.
1. Smokescreen, for identical reasons to Bogatan. This toy impressed people who didn't even care about Transformers and it felt like it was going to provide something to stand almost in scale alongside MP-01. I spent hours just gazing at it.
The funny thing about Binaltechs now is that back then it really felt like they were the ultimate versions of the G1 toys. Compared to the MP cars now for the most part they look waaaay off. At the time they were extremely impressive, until more and more robot modes started to look samey and as said, figures like Shockers and Ravage started appearing.
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Post by Jim on Jan 17, 2014 23:42:28 GMT
Week 37: Alternators/Binaltech/Binaltech Asterisk/Kiss Players 1. BT Tracks - loses points for posability but make up for them on looks. Amazing. Has to be the blue BT version with diecast and the flame stickers. 2. Alt Smokescreen - I think everyone else has covered it! Got mine from Times Square TRU along with Energon Battle Ravage back in the day. 3. Alt Jazz (white) - looks absolutely great, dismayed recently to see that mine (stored away in the dark for years) has some bad yellowing. 4. Alt Sunstreaker - especially beautiful in car mode, my 3yo daughter loves it and he has therefore been donated to her toybox. And he's holding up remarkably well considering. 5. Alt Windcharger - annoying legs IIRC, but overall I like the look. Scores a minor victory over his RTS namesake for not having a generic bonnet-chest. I've tended to ditch Alts / BTs in collection culls, and I think Tracks is the one most likely to survive long-term (possibly with Smokescreen). Too frustrating to transform, and those which most closely homage classic designs are being made increasingly redundant by the new MPs. -Jim
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jan 23, 2014 8:41:55 GMT
Thursday Top 5 Tease time.... Thursday Tease Time: This coming week's subject has been mentioned in the last week. Yup, I've used the same tease two weeks in a row..... so as a bonus I'll also point you at this post from December: Remember there is a pattern..... Look at the spoiler in post 1 and see if you can crack it. Having said that I'm breaking the pattern in a month's time for a very good reason! So what has made Phil break the pattern for week 38 of this feature?
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Post by Pinwig on Jan 23, 2014 19:59:20 GMT
My guess is something to do with Energon. That was mentioned last week and iirc they pointed out on RFC recently that this month is the tenth anniversary of the show?
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Post by blueshift on Jan 23, 2014 20:10:46 GMT
What? Energon isn't ten years old!
It's not
It's...
OH GOD
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