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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2014 23:20:53 GMT
Honourable mentions are always welcome! Cheers bud. I was only poking fun, I hope that silliness wasn't lost. But now that you mention it... Demolition Crue Set of DC-01 Apex & DC-02 Geminus By Mech Ideas. A wonderful recreation of the Jumpstarters with all the mod cons. I'm surprised they didn't maintain momentum as companies like KFC have managed to and most of their stuff is pump. KM-03 Knight Morpher Cyclops with Bonus Mini Sub By Mastermind Creations. Shockwave as you've never seen him before. Has enough to link him to the original but does things differently enough to warrant it's own personality... and it's massive. MW-03C Hench By iGear. My first iGear purchase and one that has me returning to tinker regularly. Has a chunkiness to it that just works. UFO/Cosmos arrived at the same time but this guy edges him out (although UFO's stand has proven invaluable). WB003 Warbot Assaulter By FansProject (Broadside). I was struck immediately by the weight and build quality of this guy. It was a ballsy move to take a character that is little more than a practical joke and make something 'credible' out of him. An early Fansproject purchase but one that's worth hunting down. TW-H01 Hardbone By ToyWorld. One of my first 3P figures in my recent binge and one that convinced me to press on. I never knew the original but this guy turned up full of beans and secret weapon compartments. A very playable toy.
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Post by kayevcee on Feb 1, 2014 23:51:49 GMT
Oooooh. Better chip in here. Thank you uncle Phil! 5) Toyworld TW-02 Grind Rod : New incarnation of Rollbar and my first 3P figure. I felt compelled to hammer out a 2000 word review after it arrived. Haven't done that since Armada Tidal Wave. Yeah, he made quite an impression. 4) Fansproject Warbot Assaulter : A new Broadside nicely timed to appear just before Hasbro/Takara's new Springer and Sandstorm. Very good robot mode, superb jet mode and slightly pathetic carrier mode. 3) Mastermind Creations R03 Bovis : Tantrum from the Predacons makes an appearance as a truly menacing robot buffalo bristling with detachable melee and ranged weapons. Everything locks together neatly as robot, buffalo and leg. Fortis is a remould of Bovis with new head, feet and weapons so I won't give a slot to them both. They're both impressive and I can't wait for the rest of the set to come out. 2) Maketoys Green Giant Type 63 : Okay, this is six figures but I only ever saw them available as a giftset. This is the most I've ever spent on a single transforming robot set (edging out the Botcon 2010 boxset) and it's worth it. The six members are complex and hefty deluxe-sized figures each with two very sound modes, and the combined form is rightly legendary. It was hard to keep track of him in the bar at AA2013 1) TFC Uranos Steve the sixth Aerialbot : nah, not really. It's Fans Toys' Quake Wave. I think his merits have been covered in sufficient depth already. -Nick
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Post by Shockprowl on Feb 2, 2014 7:02:59 GMT
3. City Commander. One of the first ever 3P products, certainly one of the first I ever owned. On the one hand Ultra Magnus's armor may look alittle dated by modern 3P standards, but it still works for me. Very cleverly done. Great fit onto Classics Magnus. Fantastic. Now to my mind City Commander is an add on/accessory. It's not got a robot mode in it's own right and is really just an add on for the classics Magnus figure. Ditto Protector and the various RTS op kits Quite right, City Commander obviously wouldn't work without the core figure. OK, er, I'm going to be radical and add at 5 a figure I don't own but think is a piece of incredible engineering- Hexatron. 6 modes for goodness sake! And he looks fantastic. Well done designers.
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Post by Shockprowl on Feb 2, 2014 7:05:18 GMT
wow yes that's very good work.
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Post by Pinwig on Feb 2, 2014 10:41:41 GMT
This is an area I've only really dipped my toe in since buying Quakewave last summer. To that point I was firmly of the opinion that buying TFs cost enough as it is without adding unofficial ones to the pile too, and I was never sure of the quality, but since Quakewave I have come to the conclusion that there is a difference between third party homages to loved characters, and out and out knock offs. I don't think third party can really be termed 'knock off' because they aren't direct copies of Hasbro/Takara products. They service a need for fans and I'd happily buy any official releases of figures that I have third party for.
As such this is really a top four, because at the moment I only have four actual 3P figures.
1. Quakewave. We've talked about this figure before. Stood on my shelf next to MP Soundwave he fits in perfectly and adds a figure to a line that I would absolutely love Takara to have a go at. The thing is, I can't see an official figure being this good. Superb plastic quality, lovely build, and the metal in his legs gives him an impressive heft. Just brilliant, and why he's my avatar.
2. Toyworld Hardbone. Brilliant Headmaster homage, and lots of thought not only in the variety of weapons he comes with, but the way they can come apart and fit together in so many different combinations. Excellent posability too.
3. Fansproject Warbot Assaulter. For all the reasons given above. When I saw him next to Springer in a picture on here, I knew I had to have him to complete the triple changer trio. If Hasbro do a Broadside Voyager I would buy it and replace Assaulter, but he does go well with the official toys. He is a bit 'grey' and when I get as far as making a first order to repro labels I will get his sticker set to break up some of the surfaces, but I do love him. Another hefty figure. He only rates below Hardbone in my eyes because his legs are pretty rigid - he isn't as posable. His carrier mode is also rubbish, and with a load of tabs involved he's also fiddly to transform.
4. Toyworld Brainwave. Another great figure, but not quite as well thought out as Hardbone. Slightly better plastic quality, but not as fun. Over time I've also come to think that the head isn't quite right. His space ship mode isn't strictly G1, but I like the way the x-wing style foils sit on his back in robot mode.
I can't add a five because I own no more (is that a rule of this thread? I don't know) but having had a good look back through the history of 3P last year when I realised these actually are worth buying, I think the figures I would buy in a heartbeat if they were reissued are the Fansproject Insecticons, and if I had bottomless funds, the FoC Omega Supreme.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Feb 2, 2014 13:12:13 GMT
No, you're welcome to vote for toys you don't own! I don't own any of the 3p stuff I voted for
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Post by Bogatan on Feb 2, 2014 23:22:16 GMT
Smokescreen 5. Armada smokescreen - for all my general annoyance with armada some of the stuff was pretty good when compared to g1 instead of the articulated series that followed.
4. Armada hoist - I mostly think of this mould as botcon beast wars dinobot, its actually my favourite dinobot I think, and just generally fun.
3. MP smokescreen - I dont like the head as much as the prowl and silverstreak head and im undecided if the other modifications, great colours though.
2 G1 Smokescren - a great mould and great colours.
1. BT smokescreen - the perfect update of the original mould, the real world colours were a perfect fit and there was something about the timing of the release that some how made it all the more perfect.
Third party erm hmmmm. 5. Fp powered convoy armour, since I have it I might as well stick it on the list despite not really liking the design, particularly the head, and never having opened it. It iz in powered convoy colours though.
4. One of the devastators, the one nick has.
3. Wst dinorobots, especially the christmas ones.
2. Swindle vortex and bruticus add on stuff. Swindle is better than vortex, but thats not a complaint because swindle is amazingly good. The one time fp didnt go way to far off course for my tastes. It takes an insane amount of add ons but you end up with a very good bruticus too.
1. Universe kups replacement heads, utterly perfecbubbling under the throttlebots look great, there's probably a few others Im forgetting.
I really dont like shockwave, body and legs appear to be from different toys. Stunticons are so far off model and fairly ugly to boot. superion doesnt look like superion and the good predaking looks to dreamwave for my tastes. At hasbro price pointsnon of these would stop me buying most of them, but at current prices all are deal breakers.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2014 20:36:22 GMT
Before this week finishes, I just wanted to echo a point made earlier: There's paying tribute to something, paying homage to something, re-imagining something and ripping something off. I'm always interested to see other people's interpretations of someone else's work and when I've found myself imitated (in martial arts), I've taken it as a great compliment. But taking someone's idea and fleecing it without contributing anything yourself or acknowledging the source is the worst kind of theft. I have friends in the music industry and they've reliably informed me that in that field, you only need to change 15% of a song to make it your own. The song they got stung on was 'The Egg - Walking Away (Tocadisco Remix)'. It was featured on a Citroen advert. David Guetta (the plagiarising bastard) put a half-soaked lyric over the top of the track and then released it as 'Love Don't Let Me Go'. This proved enough to remove him from having to acknowledge that he didn't write anything in the song other than the lyric and meant he didn't have to pay The Egg, or more aptly Tocadisco, a penny. It smacks at my over-inflated sense of justice... Now there are companies that make transforming toys with what appears to be a measure of respect for their source material. I'm confident that if you removed copyright law entirely, the owners of these companies would openly acknowledge what they were creating and where the idea came from. There are however, companies that have no intention of showing such respect and just want to make money. Fair one - it's a dog-eat-dog world but that's not what I feel the ethos of a 3rd-party manufacturer should entail - and it's a genuine consideration I make when looking to buy something. I've recently come across something quite interesting that made me re-assess my standpoint on the subject: Knock-Off FansProject toys. They were bought out of morbid curiosity and proved to be a total waste of money due to poor build quality. On one hand, I felt gutted that FansProject were being so blatantly undermined but then I thought, "Well who are they going to tell?". It's an interesting conundrum: If you have used someone else's intellectual property to form your own product and that product subsequently gets ripped off, how can you shout about it? Anyways, just wanted to get that out there...
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Post by Philip Ayres on Feb 7, 2014 7:21:29 GMT
Week 40: 1993 ToysThe last proper year of Euro exclusives and, in the US at least, the first year of G2. See www.tfu.info/year/93index.htm for options (They've got Ironfist and Fearswoop listed against 92: they're 93 toys) Your top 5 1993 toys please
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Post by Philip Ayres on Feb 7, 2014 11:36:56 GMT
5) SideswipeI always think of the G2 toys as being 94 releases as that's when they came out here. Sideswipe, although recently available, brings something new to the table by having different colour. Mmmmmm, black Lambo. 4) RamjetOf all the G2 reissues the Jets are the most welcome as they didn't get a Classics re-release leaving the Autobots underopposed. Ramjet is a new set of colours, so could easily be repurposed as a new character to boost the Decepticon ranks. And the colours are fabulous too: possibly the best a Diaclone jet has looked. 3) MegatronG2 Tank Megatron. The first proper transforming Megatron since the G1 version. And the first since gun laws ruled out reusing his original form and colours. The form choice is a good one, heralded by the Action Master vehicle, and it's a good solid toy. The problem is, in for the time, the articulation is lacking especially from the waist down. Perhaps it came out a year or so too early. A year later it was done both smaller and with more articulation. One day this mold will get a revisit with a new body, waist and articulated legs. 2) PyroAfter the wonders of 1992 I'm actually a bit down on most of the Euro 93 offering. They just aren't as good. The exception is Pyro which I've always loved. An Autobot leader who's a fire engine is an obvious choice that'll get revisited in 2000. The base mode works, unlike Clench. It's a shame the GPS has rendered the actual figure hard to find. Reissue with better gold plastic? 1) Optimus PrimeThis toy wasn't even on my potentials list. I've always dismissed it because to me it made no sense: gold box classics were still available here. Why would you want to buy this again? BUT It's a sympathetic repaint, the trailer looks great in black and if you dislike the addon voice box and guns you can remove them and get what's essentially an original Optimus. The original Op is the best 1984 toy and I don't see anything to better it here.
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Post by The Doctor on Feb 7, 2014 13:28:39 GMT
I AM OPTIMUS PRIME, G2 Sideswipe, MEGATRON ATTACK, Pyro, Clench.
Easy one this week!
Incidentally all of mine will be in the Toy-Fu stockpile this year!
-Ralph
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Post by Bogatan on Feb 7, 2014 14:18:15 GMT
1993 was probably the lightest year of Transformers since my first toy. I probably picked up the last few Classics I was after, but I was barely aware of the new (mould) Transformers released that year. My only clear Transformers memory of 93 is walking in to a toy shop near the hotel in Santa Anna and out of nowhere and entire row of G2 toys. All those gloriously recoloured G1 toys, I dont even remember if any of the new moulds were there. That was the first and only time I can remember seeing that many early G1 toys on the shelves at the same time.
5. Grimlock -Dinobots, coloured Dinobots, maddness, I do regret not getting them, but Grimlock was the one that stood out.
4. Starscream. At this point I dont think I had ever seen Starscream TC or SW complete and new. It was bought on that holiday and when I eventually got a G1 Starscream I was disappointed how drab the original looked in comparison.
3. Hubcab. I dont know how long it was before I realised it wasn't Cliffjumper, but thats the role hes always served. Chromed minibots are wonderful.
2. Sideswipe. That comic appearance, though the colours are fantastic anyway, they feel like the definitive colour scheme despite the amazing Actionmaster existing.
1. Optimus Prime Thanks to Classics I had Prime but in G2 box with black trailer and big guns it was impossible not to be impressed.
Honestly taking away nostalgia and focussing on all the releases that year the list might be very different. But that one toy aisle was awesome.
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Post by The Huff on Feb 7, 2014 16:00:28 GMT
Lets have a go at this one: 1992/93 were two of the best years for toys in my opinion - after the years of Pretenders Micromasters and Action Masters where the actual Transformer character was a small basic accessory, this was a return to the basics. The toys were also sturdy, detailed, uniformed and (of course) colourful! I remember all the hype leading up to the Generation 2 line being released but being dissapointed with how bland they were compared to the previous two years. Also, they were blank slates personality wise which was fun for all the fanzines created back then. Anyways, my top 5 for 1993 are:
5) Snipe - nice comlicated transformation at the time for such a small toy. 4) Deluge - just liked the awkward robot mode for some reason. 3) Clench - great truck mode that became a base and scary Darth Vader-face robot. 2) Calcar - the best of the Trakkons/Lightformers. 1) Aquablast - loved his bubble-type car and robot modes.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Feb 7, 2014 17:05:36 GMT
Matt, I've long maintained that 1992 is one of the best years for TFs - have a go at that one too, it was Week 35
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Post by Philip Ayres on Feb 7, 2014 18:52:47 GMT
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Post by Shockprowl on Feb 7, 2014 19:40:58 GMT
I'm afraid '93 was during my 'Wilderness' years where I'd got out of Transformers and action figures in general. I was more interested in Girls 'n' stuff. Foolish young Shockprowl..... FOOL!!!!
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Post by The Huff on Feb 7, 2014 20:13:53 GMT
Couple of corrections to the list (hope you don't mind) - Afterburner was called Snipe in 1993, Windrazor was Tornado, Windbreaker was Zap and Turbofire was Hotrider.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Feb 7, 2014 20:37:31 GMT
I knew there were some renamings there somewhere but couldn't remember where!
The Excel I was using to create the lists was grabbing the names out of the URLs for the TFU entries which all use the US names.
TA!
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Post by Jim on Feb 7, 2014 23:39:27 GMT
Week 40: 1993 ToysThe last proper year of Euro exclusives and, in the US at least, the first year of G2. See www.tfu.info/year/93index.htm for options (They've got Ironfist and Fearswoop listed against 92: they're 93 toys) Your top 5 1993 toys please 1. Windbreaker - not the best name, but a lovely looking toy. To think RTS Windcharger has had no repaints beyond Wipe out! 2. Terradive. 3. Calcar. 4. Jetstorm (Autobot). 5. Pyro - hazard stripes! Cool base! -Jim
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Post by The Huff on Feb 9, 2014 22:25:38 GMT
Very hard to do a top 5 as there were so many decent toys this year: 5)Falcon - great jet and one of the best robot modes for a while. His light pipe gimmick worked well too. 4)Rescue Force Tank (or Clamp as I called him). He was a tank with claws. Pretty unique. 3)Sky Quake - I thought I was spoiled with Overlord the previous year but here we had yet another giant Decepticon leader. I loved his carpet bombing feature. Bit of a brick of a robot though. In real life, the Turbomasters would just push him over and laugh as he tries to get back up again. 2)Skydive - my first 1992 toy. Reminded me of Misfire, probably due to his redish pink space jet mode. 1)Stalker - nice bright and lovely solid toy. Other mentions: Rotorstorm, Scorch, Boss, Thunderclash and Flash. Actually, with a name like Flash, he should have had Thunderclash's role in MTMTE.
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Post by legios on Feb 13, 2014 11:26:04 GMT
Week 40: 1993 Toys
5. Snipe - A cracking choice of alt-mode with immense "wooshability" - the F-104 Starfighter was not something I would have expected them to pick - a fun transformation and a solid-looking humanoid mode makes this just a fun toy to play with.
4. Clench - A visually stunning piece of design. Great vehicle mode, and a suitably evil, mighty and memorable appearance in humanoid mode. Like the idea of his back section turning into a support weapon as well. It feels like Clench is all about bringing down the brute force straightforwardly and effectively.
3. Generation Two Megatron - Megatron returns to the line, and returns in style. An imposing brute of a toy in humanoid mode, with an alt-mode which is a fantastic rendition of an M1A1 Abrams tank. The sound gimmick is great as well - it is so much fun to cycle the gun.
2. Generation Two Optimus Prime - Because classics of design do not go out of style. Fully capable of more than holding its own against the newer toys, and still really setting the benchmark for the kind of play value that a top price-point toy should have.
1. Pyro - such a striking toy. His Alt-mode is a type of Fire Appliance we haven't seen much of in Transformers, and above Micromaster-size I believe that he shares it only with Live Action Movie Sentinel Prime. As striking in humanoid mode as he is in vehicle mode, and with a great fun weapon gimmick. Colour scheme is top-notch as well
Karl
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Post by Philip Ayres on Feb 13, 2014 23:08:39 GMT
A very late Thursday tease to say we might be bending the rules a bit tomorrow......but not breaking them!
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Post by The Doctor on Feb 13, 2014 23:35:32 GMT
A Top 4 to Doomsday?
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Feb 14, 2014 7:29:57 GMT
hahahha. No.
Week 41: Sideswipe
Your top 5 Sideswipe toys please!
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Post by Philip Ayres on Feb 14, 2014 10:39:13 GMT
5) G2 GoBotThe car mode is right, albeit missing the spoiler. The transformation is identical to the original. The robot looks almost the same as the original. The one problem is the colour! Sideswipe *should* be red (glances at list and realises only two are. Ooops) It amazes me that this toy has never been done in proper Sideswipe colours. They've got close (and close to Sunstreaker too) but with a little work this mould could make decent representations for all the 84/5 Lamborghinis 4) Universe 2Right colour, good car. The robot..... could be better. If the toy had a better head and the Generations Trailcutter leg transformation to give it a look closer the original toy it would rank a lot higher. 3) TFCC Shattered GlassSee the G2 Gobot above! It amazes me that Armada Wheeljack has only had this one repaint as there's so many other things you could do with it: The Lamo family, RID homages, even Armada Wheeljack's own Autobot version. I can only assume that the slashed Autobot symbol and two small 'con symbols (one on the arm, one on the bonnet) count against it for Autobot repaints. It's a shame: I love the mould and would have loved to see more of it. 2) G2Sideswipe *is* red. But somehow if he was going to be another colour he'd be black. Yes he looses the shoulder missile in exchange for the G2 Launcher which really doesn't work. But the car does: It's a plausable Sideswipe and also a plausable completely new character. Top toy. Why is Sideswipe Black with Red heads and hands? A deliberate decision because there's another red vehicle in the G2 Car Line ( Inferno) ? A factory paint mistake that was too far gone to fix? he is a straight swap of the red and the black on the original. Who knows? 1) G1I almost want to go Enough Said. My favourite Autobot car from 84/5. The shape, the colour, the TF, the weapons. First TF I ever played with. Love, love, love.
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Post by The Doctor on Feb 14, 2014 13:15:24 GMT
I think that original Sideswipe, G2 flavour and the Action Master are tops. I have a huge spot for Armada Sideswipe. Yes, I know the robot mode is a bit pants but I love the car mode, the way the minicon bike stores, the chivs of doom and the head sculpt. Really fun toy. I think I've had it pass through my hands three times now! One of those slightly naff but fun toys that I am destined to buy-move on-rebuy in an endless loop!
I feel that Armada in general was a great kids toy line which is under-rated and tarnished in the collective memory by the poor media tie-ins.
-Ralph
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Post by Pinwig on Feb 15, 2014 12:18:28 GMT
I skipped last week largely for the same reasons as Shockprowl. If I ever have had a wilderness years period in my collecting it was around then for two reasons. One, initially the reuse of the old moulds and garish colours for G2 left me totally cold. Hated my old faves being done up like cheap Christmas tree decorations. More importantly though in '93 I was at university and had no cash for toys. The mid-90s era is the only one I have no examples of toys from. I kicked in again when I had a job and Beast Wars arrived.
Sideswipe's different though:
5. Binaltech. As said previously when talking about Smokescreen, a lot of these figures went right off the rails, but this one was early enough that the robot was pretty neat. Loses marks for the inaccurate car mode. I'd also concede that the Stunticon repaint for this looked better.
4. FoC. Yes. I went there. Look, someone has to champion this range and I think Sideswipe suits this mould. So stop throwing things at me. Jazz looked naff in this mould, but Sideswipe I like. He has a nice shape and the face is right, and I like the car mode because it reminds me of the alt modes the originals had in the first cartoon episode before they reached Earth. I said stop throwing things at me!
3. Botcon 2011. I loved the Animated figures, but never got as far as this mould either in its Rodimus guise or this one. Despite the off colours, I like the look.
2. G1. Have had this one since the start and he's still there in the display case. Sideswipe and Prowl for me define the G1 car robots.
1. Masterpiece. Rarely would I put a Masterpiece over a G1, but this mould, particularly the face, just encapsulates this character perfectly. I love this one.
Also rans - Botcon 2008 is nice, but I have the Takara version of the Armada Wheeljack which I think is more strikingly coloured. The Universe Sideswipe is also nice, but there was something about that range that didn't sit right with me.
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Post by Bogatan on Feb 15, 2014 15:37:33 GMT
Ah Sideswipe, almost every new Sideswipe is one of my favourite releases in any line (no not you Armada Sideswipe. No not you either Alt/BT Sideswipe). Yet I have zero idea of personality in any media. Prime took his rocket in the cartoon and........ and he looked angry in G2.
Anyway easier to work from top down. 1. Actionmaster Sideswipe - Sideswipe gets his cartoon rocket pack and its awesome. (Vanguard and Powerflashs partner are two of my favourite toys ) Sideswipe really is just about my favourite Actionmaster and it was I think the first Sideswipe I got, just beating classic Sideswipe. So it remains the definitive article.
2. Masterpiece G2 Sideswipe - Still a few weeks from owning this, but I can't imagine the addition of angry face, spikes and assorted weapons will make me like the mould less than the G1 version.
3. G2 Sideswipe - With AM Sideswipe overshadowing classic Sideswipes arrival it wasn't till a few years later and G2 Sideswipe that I fully appreciated the original mould which really is a great one.
4. G2 Gobot Sideswipe - My favourite gobot mould. I'm still not sure why Sideswipe didn't come in black unless the Gobot moulds shared sprues making it impractical, but I really love the blue and yellow. I wonder if it was inspired by the yellow and blue G2 prototype
5. Animated G2 Sideswipe - When Botcon get things right they really get them right. I prefer this mould as Sideswipe to it as Rodimus.
Bubbling under: G1 Sideswipe and Mp Sideswipe. Universe Sideswipe is close to brilliant but the longer I own it the more the legs annoy me. The botcon G2 version adds green windows to the colour scheme and it absolutely perfects the scheme, I wish the MP version had gone with the green as well.
As you can tell, I prefer the black colour scheme.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Feb 15, 2014 16:22:44 GMT
4. G2 Gobot Sideswipe - My favourite gobot mould. I'm still not sure why Sideswipe didn't come in black unless the Gobot moulds shared sprues making it impractical, but I really love the blue and yellow. I wonder if it was inspired by the yellow and blue G2 prototype You'd like to read about Gobot Gang Molding would you? philstfreviews.site11.com/zzSpy.html
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Post by Shockprowl on Feb 16, 2014 0:09:52 GMT
Sideswipe:
4. Alternators. Good sold, although not very G1, Sideswipe.
3. G1. Fantastic Transformer with a fantastic character profile.
2. Classics. I think this mold is a work of genius. To different robots out of the same mold is good design work, and makes sense given that they're brothers.
1. MP. Just looks amazing, in the 'New MP' style that I love. I still don't own one, but I will, I will!
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