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Post by Philip Ayres on May 2, 2014 6:12:17 GMT
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Post by Stomski on May 2, 2014 8:34:35 GMT
Hard to not be influenced by the animation, but here we go-
5. Rattrap 4. Waspinator 3. Cheetor (Japanese Tigatron is my favourite repaint of this mold) 2. Megatron (Ultra) 1. Optimus Primal (Ultra)
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Post by Philip Ayres on May 2, 2014 8:51:35 GMT
Near misses for just about everything else but especially Tarantulas and Terrorsaur! 5) RattrapAll the basics are great value even if thought they've had their lightpipe gimmicks gutted :-( But Rattrap is probably the best of the lot. Flipchanging, weapons storage...... and his cartoon likeness is very close to the toy. 4) WaspinatorTop deluxe toy, this time WITH the lightpipe intact - have you ever noticed it's only the BW Predacons that have clear plastic and not the Maximals? With the exception of Dinobot who's a Predacon defector. 3) CheetorYeah the beast mode could be more articulated. But it looks like the animal and the robot is superb. Two SUPERB Japanese repaints in 1998. 2) MegatronThe only reason this doesn't make top of the list is the lack of hands. Well that and the winner for this year is an all time great. Great Dinosaur, even though it annoyed me at the time for not being able to assume the Grimlock/Godzilla/Zoidzilla traditional pose. Packed with features. Missile launchers, water pistol mouth/arm snapping claw. Fab. 1) Optimus PrimalDo I need to go further? Fabulous beast with articulation and a moving arms gimmick. Then the robot..... More hidden weaponary than you can shake a stick at and he himself can hold. FOUR missile launchers. More arm gimmickery. And the best Prime head sculpt ever. This toy got me back into TF collecting after a few years off. SUPERB toy, as I said above an all time great, easily one of my Top 5 TFs ever, possibly my all time favourite. And my list is identical to Stomski's!
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Post by The Doctor on May 2, 2014 8:54:57 GMT
Optimus Primal is easily the top one. Need to consider the others.
-Ralph
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Post by Bogatan on May 2, 2014 9:13:41 GMT
Week 51: Construction VehiclesThis week your top 5 transformers that turn into Construction vehicles. There's a caveat here: Obviously this theme is specifically associated with a particular group, So if you use the original Constructicons at any stage try to produce a SECOND list without them on it. We will be using this caveat again soon! Good grief, I don't know where to start. 5. Grapple - I'm more of an Inferno fan, the red looks better, but a great mould, the autobot car mould I'm most curious to see translated to the new Masterpiece line. 4. Scoop - Could be displaced by the new Generations version, but the original is one of those nice simple G1 toys that just works. 3. Pre Beast Dinobot - Great mould, best colours are between Dinobot and Longrack. 2. Pre Beast Rhinox - The landmine mould is great, these are the best colours. 1. Build Boy - For some reason the one toy I stick with the Japanese name for, despite Wedge being a really good name. Long before the current masterpiece obsession with cartoon accuracy there was Build By who as a toy looked more like a G1 animation model in robot mode that any G1 toy had managed. 2 great modes, articulation and good colours.
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Post by Hero on May 2, 2014 9:37:31 GMT
1/ Optimus Primal (hidden weapons, clever name, lots of features) 2/ Megatron Barney 3/ Rhinox 4/ Dinobot 5/ VS pack. (Rattrap if the latter doesn't count).
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Post by Bogatan on May 2, 2014 9:40:31 GMT
I'm torn here between my own personal 96 toy list and the official what got released in 96 list. The actual list would be 5. Insecticon - I love the basic flipchangers 4. Cheetor - great robot mode. GUT GUN. 2. Rattrap/ Razorbeast - fantastic moulds I had both for around a year before seeing the cartoon so I wasn't biased by that and Razorbeast might have been marginally preferred. 1. Ultra Optimus Primal Based on my own list I didn't get Primal until 14 or 15 months later in 97 so hes off the list and in 5th place Terrosaur appears who in fairness is pretty much tied with Insecticon anyway. Bubbling under: the McDonald happy meal toys. Arguably as good or better than some G1 toys and modern legends types. I'm thinking mostly Panther, but Manta Ray and Beetle are good, Rhino is just a bit odd, but in fairness is using a pretty similar transformation to Headstrong? Still need to find an Under 3. Everything else is great too, only ones I was never sold on were the Mega line up. Transquito was the only one prior to the transmetals that I really liked.
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Post by Stomski on May 2, 2014 9:57:44 GMT
Near misses for just about everything else but especially Tarantulas and Terrorsaur! <snip>And my list is identical to Stomski's! And I nearly put Terrosaur on instead of Rattrap too. Is this a first? Surely someone has matched top 5 (well, 6!) before?
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Post by Philip Ayres on May 2, 2014 10:29:04 GMT
1/ Optimus Primal (hidden weapons, clever name, lots of features) 2/ Megatron Barney 3/ Rhinox 4/ Dinobot 5/ VS pack. (Rattrap if the latter doesn't count). I make that your first vote Ken! And of course the VS pack counts. I've always thought that if you wanted another stab at Beast Wars, Megatron as a croc/aligator at Ultra size would be a good choice.
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Post by Philip Ayres on May 2, 2014 10:32:43 GMT
I'm torn here between my own personal 96 toy list and the official what got released in 96 list. The next few years are a difficult period for UK fans BW started in 96, reached Europe and the USA in 97 and the UK in 98! Which reminds me I have another part of the UK distribution article to post.... Everything else is great too, only ones I was never sold on were the Mega line up. Transquito was the only one prior to the transmetals that I really liked. The Megas are the problem size for BW. You can see why it got axed after several years of not quite working toys.
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Post by Bogatan on May 2, 2014 11:35:02 GMT
I'm torn here between my own personal 96 toy list and the official what got released in 96 list. The next few years are a difficult period for UK fans BW started in 96, reached Europe and the USA in 97 and the UK in 98! Which reminds me I have another part of the UK distribution article to post.... For me it was because I bought every Beast Wars toy I could find on holiday in 96. Thanks largely to the InformerG2 giving me the advance warning to prepare. The only ones I couldn't get were Ultra Primal and Megatron and the deluxe repaints which weren't out at the time. I did the same in 97 on holiday in Canada so those two holidays pretty well defined what I consider 96 and 97 releases. Everything else is great too, only ones I was never sold on were the Mega line up. Transquito was the only one prior to the transmetals that I really liked. The Megas are the problem size for BW. You can see why it got axed after several years of not quite working toys. The shame is that when done well (TM Megatron, Primal, Rotorstorm,) the megas were a brilliant size class for leaders or whatever that allowed larger characters to fill voyager, ultra and leader (poor choice of name) class slots.
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Post by Jim on May 2, 2014 22:48:43 GMT
Week 51: Construction VehiclesThis week your top 5 transformers that turn into Construction vehicles. There's a caveat here: Obviously this theme is specifically associated with a particular group, So if you use the original Constructicons at any stage try to produce a SECOND list without them on it. We will be using this caveat again soon! 5. PCC Sledge - one of the best PCC moulds with one of the best minicon partners from that line. 4. Armada Hoist - one of the best from Armada. 3. RID Wedge - for all the reasons everyone has said, and his team mates are pretty great, too. 2. Cybertron Landmine - Absolutely terrific mould, believe I've gone on about him before in this thread. 1. G1 Quickmix - strong nostalgic connections for me, but I think he is a really nice visual design and has quite an interesting transformation. Had I ever owned a G1 Grapple he might have made the list. Otherwise the bubbling-unders are too numerous to list, and I'm sure I'm going to kick myself for missing something when I think about it some more. -Jim
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Post by Jim on May 2, 2014 22:56:54 GMT
Slightly disappointed with myself at how few of those on this list I have any direct experience of, am actually going to have to fill in a couple of places based on looks alone. 5. Onyx Primal 4. Terrorsaur 3. Buzzsaw - very pretty! 2. Rhinox - Find him a really nice toy, and am often surprised at the stick he comes in for. 1. Razorbeast - a lot of fun, somehow had the fiddle factor for me and was stuck on my desk for ages. -Jim
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Post by Philip Ayres on May 3, 2014 7:57:58 GMT
buzzsaw is much better in the US version! The purple is brighter and the green actually contributes to the overall look. The Japanese version is just a bit lifeless!
Oh and you want the Ultra Optimus. trust us on that one
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Post by Pinwig on May 3, 2014 12:41:40 GMT
Week 52: 1996 Toys
Back in the game on the years weeks… I bought into Beast Wars quite heavily because by this point I was already feeling nostalgic about the 80s toys and liked the fact this was a new start I could get all completist about because by that point I was out of Uni and had an income. I liked the cartoon too. Still have all of the BW toys I bought I think, some MISB.
5. Megatron Overall this figure is worthy of a top five, but the purple face was odd, the maniacal grin made him look constipated and the arms were way to bulky to be reasonably useful. Great dinosaur though.
4. Waspinator A lot of the BW figures looked unbalanced in robot mode, but this one worked. Nicely proportioned and the wasp mode was one of the best looking alts from the original BW line up.
3. Scorponok Spent more time playing with this one back in the day than any of the other early ones I think. Not Scorponok in the traditional sense, but I liked this figure. Great head, great colours. Claws just needed to be a bit smaller.
2. Inferno For the royalty! Loved the character in the show, loved the figure. The beasts were so different to what went before, but this one was nicely finished. Weren’t the sparkly bits in the red?
1. Optimus Primal There are two things about this figure that have stuck in my mind over the years, the first is that compared to previous eras of Transformers this figure was incredibly posable. It felt like a new era was dawning with this one. The other thing is that the head sculpt was the best of any Prime to that point. He looks younger than the original, but the head was just quintessentially Prime to me. This figure gave the impression of heft; he was visibly a leader.
Also rans: Blackarachnia, Polar Claw and Dinobot.
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Post by Hero on May 3, 2014 14:16:33 GMT
I remember the missile launcher on original BW Scorponok really packed a wallop!
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Post by legios on May 5, 2014 15:39:53 GMT
Clearly there is only one toy that is going to make it into the prime slot on this list.. 5. Rattrap - Revenge of the Flipchanger technology. Fun to fiddle about with, and has a unique looking humanoid mode, with his exposed organic brain type detailing making him memorable 4. The Waspinator - Love the alt-mode, although I'm not sure about the colour scheme entirely. Fun stinger-gun, and I like the way the missiles are stored. Enjoyable transformation and a decent looking beast-mode. 3.Ultra Megatron - Great looking T-Rex mode, fantastic humanoid mode and another great assortment of gimmicks - water squirting action, hip-launched anchors... Great fun to play with. 2. Tigatron - I love this mould, I think the look of it is great, and I enjoy the transformation. Vastly prefer Tigatron's colour scheme to Cheetor's though 1. Ultra Optimus Primal - Fantastic beast-mode, lovely detailing. Humanoid mode is great, and packed with so many wonderful gimmicks. This is a really good example of a Tranformer as a toy - almost every part of him has something in it that is intended as a play-feature. Great fun toy. Karl
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Post by Pinwig on May 5, 2014 17:28:13 GMT
Totally agree with that. It was much more subtle. Cheetor is obviously an in-your-face bright character, but as a toy, Tigertron was way better coloured.
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Post by Andy Turnbull on May 5, 2014 17:42:11 GMT
Week 50 Universe Toys
1 - King Atlas - grand repaint of Sky Quake. 2 - Spychanger Optimus Prime - nifty wee dude 3 - Optimus Primal - what a grand colour scheme. 4 - Autobot Whirl - another nice redeco of Rotorstorm 5 - Universe Skywarp - love that Jetstorm mold.
Andy
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Post by Philip Ayres on May 5, 2014 18:55:09 GMT
Totally agree with that. It was much more subtle. Cheetor is obviously an in-your-face bright character, but as a toy, Tigertron was way better coloured. Japanese Tigatron yes, but not the US version
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Post by blueshift on May 5, 2014 19:23:27 GMT
Western Tigatron looks like it came from a house where someone was a heavy smoker.
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Post by Stomski on May 7, 2014 10:35:38 GMT
A popular set of 5 it seems!
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Post by Philip Ayres on May 7, 2014 13:06:48 GMT
No arguing with quality!
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Post by Philip Ayres on May 8, 2014 6:06:33 GMT
Thursday Tease:
What load of old nonsense awaits us this week?
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Post by Philip Ayres on May 9, 2014 6:18:17 GMT
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Post by Philip Ayres on May 9, 2014 6:49:37 GMT
Bubbling under : DOTM Commander, Energon Energon (wrong colours, but looks nice) and Recon (for the weapons) 5) UniverseI feel bad nominating this at 5. It's a complete train wreck of a toy. One day they'll make a simpler Legends/Legion Ironhide and expose how over complicated this one is. 4) BotconMade from Energon Towline this is a decent attempt capturing the base mode but the overall look of the the van and robot is off. 3) Prime CyberverseEsily the best modern update of Ironhide, capturing the character and producing a decent toy. Oddly the deluxe version of the same mould doesn't get close loosing something in the size upgrade. 2) G1Yes it's an odd robot. And he can't hold weapons. But it's a good fun toy and even better if you've got some Diaclone men. Look fabulous in red.... 1) Diaclone/E-Hobby Protect Black.... but better in black. I'd never bought an e-Hobby repaint before but I'd always loved the original Ironhide colours (it's my second fave non TF used Diaclone colour scheme) so when Ironhide was encored and the E-Hobby version could be had cheap I grabbed it and love it. To my mind black = iron better than red does. I suspect he only ended up red so he wouldn't be identical colour to Trailbreaker inn the same 1984 assortment and TBH he takes the red better than Trailbreaker does.
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Post by Bogatan on May 9, 2014 17:24:16 GMT
Hmmm Ironhide, not a chap that has a had great success with toys in my opinion.
Err...... Energo.. no. Prime.. not bad. Universe, with serious head modification its not bad to be fair.
5. so its got to be G2, but which? Gobot or Power Master? Going to give it to Power Master just because it was a new mould and surprisingly fun. Gobot version is great too though.
4. G1 - Getting hard at he back end of the list. Got Ironhide amongst the other 1990 classics and it was the weaskest of the bunch to me, I had Ratchet already so it wasn't a surprise, but I did think it didn't work as well as ratchet, who as a medic seemed to suit the mould more.
3. Movie 2007 - I find the 2007 movie voyagers to be a pretty strong line up, especially the ones I have premium versions of. Ironhide is pretty nice, but being all black a lot of that detail is lost. The other movie based moulds dont quite get it right, the deluxe is a nice toy but doesnt quite work as Ironhide, the Cyberverse one is good from memory though. Still havent tried the leader class one or the DOTM voyager.
2. Botcon - If you want a classic style update of the original toy, this is as good as it gets. Having said that I actually think Energon Inferno with an Ironhide head would be much closer in character.
1. Animated - Not the biggest fan of this mould, but it works better as Ironhide than its other uses. Earth mode Ratchet if it had gotten an Ironhide repaint would easily have topped this one and any G1 styled Ironhide that used the Animated Ratchets transformation as its basis would unquestionably be just about perfect.
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Post by Philip Ayres on May 9, 2014 17:37:07 GMT
Having said that I actually think Energon Inferno with an Ironhide head would be much closer in character. A toy with roughly Energon Inferno's Transformation but shaped like the G1 van would be a near perfect Ratchet/Ironhide. It'd shrink down to Legion size too. Do it Hasbro.
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Post by Philip Ayres on May 10, 2014 12:39:53 GMT
Just in case anyone's wondering about this week's clue:
The old bit should be obvious now: Ironhide as a a character is old in nearly every fictional presentation but he's also is one of the oldest TFs in terms of Western release (1984) and one of the first Diaclone toys released.
Nonsense: "Such heroic nonsense!" is the last thing Megatron says to the wounded Ironhide in TFTM before killing him.
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Post by Pinwig on May 10, 2014 13:13:26 GMT
I was wondering. I was thinking, "How many Wreck-Gars have their been? surely not enough..."
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