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Post by Shockprowl on Jun 21, 2014 16:48:56 GMT
BBBAAAHHHH!!!!!
Err err, Sam's Club? Black Owl Prowl?
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Post by Shockprowl on Jun 21, 2014 16:56:57 GMT
.....It's not Animated is it?
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Post by Shockprowl on Jun 21, 2014 17:07:41 GMT
..... It was also in a multipack within the line you'd assume it was from. Animated. Must be.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jun 21, 2014 17:20:28 GMT
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Post by Bogatan on Jun 21, 2014 18:40:46 GMT
Week 59: Universe 2This is the line with both new "classics" toys and some more absoloutely mental repaints! See www.tfu.info/series/uni2-0.htm for help. I now find Universe a strangely flawed line. Of all the deluxes that compromise most of the main line only two are issue free. Prowls funny looking head, Sideswipes legs, Galavatrons, well everything, Hotshots awkwardness, Cheetors hunch dinobots oddness and Ironhide depression. It's all very frustrating, because very minor changes such as how much better Rapidos head sits on Prowl body could massively improve most. Mainline 5. Ratchet or Hotshot - as flawed as both are I can't help liking both 4. Brawn - My favourite of the legends. Similar cartoony vibe to deluxe Hound 3. Onslaught - best of the Ultras, a rock solid toy thats full of features. 2. Cyclonus - Only misses out on the top spot because I never had much interest in the character and neither mode feels entirely solid due to the nature of the design. I've trying to count how many different versions I have now, I got to 8. 6 of which are Cyclonus's. The Ehobby translucent one is my fav. Strafe is very good too. 1. Hound - a favourite from childhood and just an amazing update. Both modes and the transformation feel true to the character. And it's a proper fun toy. Plus a bonus Ravage. I'm really disappointed that it only has the one repaint, especially as its such a versatile mould. With a new head it wouldn't have looked out of place amongst Animated or Prime toys and there are a whole host of potential G1 characters that aren't Swindle it could have been repainted as. I used to love the Sideswipe Sunstreaker mould but comparing it to Hasbros more complex later efforts to reuse a single mould it has lost much of its appeal.Sunstreaker still looks fairly good, but Sideswipes legs have always looked wrong and the head never looked quite right repaints 5. Hardhead - If it had come with a new head (even a non transforming one) that looked half as good as the 3p headmaster it would top the list. 4. Darkwind - Silverbolt is a very nice robot with a jet strapped to his back, but Darkwind is more interesting. 3. Ratbat - I don't think it would have occurred to me, but it works. 2. Roadbuster - As with Hardhead if this had a new head it would have been almost perfect. 1. Flak - maybe a bit of a cheat, but the highlight of the botcon 2009 boxset, the new head is spot on and the arctic camo makes sense for a Cybertronian/pre earth colour scheme. Bubbling under: Springer - Big green robot theory - Blades - big red robot theory - Rodimus- funky little legends toy Nemesis Prime - I'll take the classic prime mould in pretty much any colour, but its nice that it isn't just black.
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Post by Shockprowl on Jun 21, 2014 18:47:08 GMT
AAHHAAAA!!!! I got there in the end. Pretty much at the point of going through every Prowl I could think of. Your clue helped Big Phil. Why was Animated released under Universe 2? Wierd. My list stays the same though! Firstly that figure just does not belong in Universe, he's Animated. And secondly, though I like bike Prowl very much, I still rate the other figures in my list higher. I do!
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jun 21, 2014 18:53:17 GMT
Just the animated Legends were released under Universe 2: no separate Animated Legends line. Only four were done, with a number of repaints
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Post by Stomski on Jun 24, 2014 8:16:34 GMT
No, most of my Top 5 lists I base purely on pics. Especially for more modern toys as I've stopped buying outside of Masterpiece and select others.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jun 26, 2014 0:08:55 GMT
Can't sleep so an early Thursday top 5 teaser:
Ian's opportunity to vote for a Prowl toy this week comes courtesy of recent comments by The Kaptain & Bogatan that got me thinking we should do these toys sooner than I had thought....
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Post by Shockprowl on Jun 26, 2014 11:34:53 GMT
HURRAAY!!!!
But what could the topic be.....?
Did Karlos and Andy have their conversation in this thread or another?
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Post by Bogatan on Jun 26, 2014 16:48:43 GMT
I DON'T KNOW!!!!!
I should be able to guess this one, even if I never figure out Phils clues.
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Post by legios on Jun 26, 2014 20:35:52 GMT
S'alright, I am similarly stumped at the moment. (Of course, I can fall back on the all-purpose excuse of my Brain Pills in these situations.)
Karl
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jun 26, 2014 21:53:12 GMT
All will become obvious in the morning......
But you and Andy K are to blame for this!
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jun 27, 2014 6:15:50 GMT
Week 60: Flipchanger VehiclesSo when we did the 1997 toys both Andy K and The Kaptain nominated MW Flipchangers in their top 5s. I said I can't get behind the MW Flipchangers, or at least the MW versions of them. They look cheap. All have better decos elsewhere. They obviously have lightpipes in the MW versions and they've cheaped out of using clear plastic on them. Both the Autobot ones strongly suggest different colour schemes as do Thundercracker and Skywarp. And Megatron & Megaplex probably have each other's names! So let's put it to the test: what are your favourite versios of the vehicle Flipchangers introduced in MW? They've been reused in BWII, Car Robots, RID, Robotmasters and, in one case, in a Botcon set. Here's a nice table showing how they've been repainted: Line | Towtruck | Racecar | F22 Raptor | Dassault Rafale | Machine Wars | | | | | | | | | | BWII/CR | | | | | RID | | | | | RM | | | | | BC | | | | |
There's another CR version of Indy Heat which is almost but not quite the same as Skid Z: so click on Skid-Z entry to see it. So: Top 5 flipchanger vehicles please!
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Post by Shockprowl on Jun 27, 2014 11:39:57 GMT
Ahh Ha!
Well, I only have Prowl, and have very little experience of the entire line. So I'll have to do some research....
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jun 27, 2014 14:01:40 GMT
Click on the links in the above table for an education then Just missing out: RID Windsheer a black Megatron jet, what's not to love? RID SkidZ LOVELY race car deco. Not what I was hoping for when I knew this was going to be in Car Robots, but simply gorgeous. 5) Dirge4) ThrustYes, the decos may have been bettered since. And yes these are unfixed versions of the jet moulds. But it was these two that really keyed me in to just how good the Flipchangers could be. While the originals just looked flat the bright colours and especially the clear pink canopies and lightpipes made me sit up and take notice. 3) Clear Wrecker HookPoor Wrecker Hook has never had a decent commercial release. This is easily the best deco on the toy. If they did it in solid versions of these colours it would look really great, and would make a decent Grapple. If they did it in solid versions of these colours but swapped them he'd be a perfect Flipchanger Hoist. The problem is he's never been who he's meant to be. It was only when I saw a KO in aproximately the right colours that I realised this is the Flipchanger vehicle version of Optimus to face Megatron 2) Clear Indy HeatJust gorgeous. And at the time the closest to what the race car should have been coloured. 1) Robotmasters LigierI love Robotmasters. Some mad repaints, small versions of older toys.... and two dead on recolours of moulds in "what they should have looked like all along" One is R-Blade the Swingf wing Cyberjet finally in Jetfire colours. The other is this, the race car Flipchanger finally in spot on Mirage colours. Fabulous.
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Post by legios on Jun 27, 2014 19:48:28 GMT
I shall have to consider this carefully - so many really good toys to pick from...
Of course you realise (I was going to make this a question, but lets face it - we all know that there isn't any question here at all) that I could assemble a top five, or a top ten that only uses two moulds without too much difficulty...
Karl
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jun 27, 2014 20:04:24 GMT
Oh yes. I was tempted to put a condition on for such an eventuality. But we'll leave at the five you think are the best.
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Post by Bogatan on Jun 27, 2014 20:47:45 GMT
Week 60: Flipchanger VehiclesSo when we did the 1997 toys both Andy K and The Kaptain nominated MW Flipchangers in their top 5s. I said Here's a nice table showing how they've been repainted: Line | Towtruck | Racecar | F22 Raptor | Dassault Rafale | Machine Wars | | | | |
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So: Top 5 flipchanger vehicles please! 5. Erm...... Towline - Green Rule. Green and Blue is a great combination. 4. Thundercracker - It's not so much that I like the deco, but it surely sealed Thundercracker as G1s fashionista. After single handedly leading the "Neon" fashion movement of the early 90s here hes clearly stating that that era is dead with a ridiculously drab green and brown outfit. 3. Hoist - Back in 97 I didn't have a Hoist, I did have a Hubcab, Prowl and Mirage, even if only the G2 gobot, so it was bought by default. It's probably the weakest of the 4 moulds, but I still like it as it's a little different. Not sure I see the Prime repaint. 2. Megaplex - Possibly also bought by default, but I'm pretty sure as I said before that I bought it as Megatron by mistake. Either way I still think its great. Sure it would benefit from clear plastc, but I don't think it suffers from lack of paint, though the moulded details around the chest could have been painted up to homage G1 Megatrons chest details. I'm also wondering now I look at them if the Megatron head was a later addition, because it doesn't quite look the same as the other heads. 1. Waspinator - Phils not wrong, the Machine Wars toys are light on paint, but Waspinator almost goes too far the other way, theres paint everywhere. My favourite detail is the underside of the wings. Completely painted over to homage the original Beast Wars toys translucent wings. It's brilliant, most toys wont go to the effort to paint the whole of the top side of the wings let alone the bottom, but Waspinators wings on the top are full of paint detail too. So is everything else. Got a perfect head for a pre Beast Waspy. Kind of surprised the Mirage mould doesnt make the list, then again while I think its a better mould than Hoist I don't like it as much. I do love the Skid-Z colour scheme though and for a mould that pre-dates the classics line by 10 years and Robot Masters by about 7 it is a good homage to Mirage. I really should track down more of these, right now I only have 7 MW (Ian has Prowl) and Waspinator.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jun 27, 2014 20:55:39 GMT
I'd say Megatron & Mirage have better heads.
I'd love a 3P 84 jet head for these jets
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Post by Bogatan on Jun 27, 2014 21:15:44 GMT
Yeah I think they are the better two, but the Megatron one looks a bit like the some of the new heads on Botcon toys when they dont quite match the style of the body.
I've never thought to check, but I assume the transparent parts from later releases can be transplanted on to the MW versions? I like the idea of upgrading Megaplex.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jun 27, 2014 21:19:01 GMT
Assuming you can extract the pieces then I'd assume they'd fit, lightpipes and all.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jun 27, 2014 21:20:27 GMT
I'm struggling now to remember if the jet fix - the nose on the mw jets doesn't fold back far enough in rboto mode on the MW and BWII versions - is a mold alteration or assembly issue
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Post by Bogatan on Jun 27, 2014 21:32:28 GMT
Assembly issue. Waspinator had it too, the mechanism is just one or two notches off where it should be. I managed to fix it at the expense of screw driver scratch across the lovely painted wings.
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Post by Jim on Jun 27, 2014 22:58:37 GMT
Bit behind here... Week 57: 1997 ToysYour top 5 toys from 1997. This is the second year of Beast Wars in the US and the first year of Beast Wars in Japan & the rest of Europe, but not the UK :-( It's also the year of the shortlived Machine Wars line.... See www.tfu.info/year/97index.htm for some help 5. Sandstorm 4. Razorclaw 3. Retrax - Terrifying 2. Airazor 1. Snarl -Jim
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Post by Jim on Jun 27, 2014 23:04:39 GMT
Week 58: SwerveYup, everyone's favourite Transformer bartender gets his week in the sun. Yay! My opinion might change once I have the Generations one in hand, but for now: 5. Arms Micron - top mini-con, pretty okay toy overall. I sold mine, but don't much regret it TBH. 4. Alternators - love that mould as Tracks, and a red Tracks has a certain mystique about it... 3. Generations - even if I don't have it yet 2. G1 - A classic 1. Universe - the Armada Blurr mould is great fun, but these colours bring out the best in it. -Jim
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jun 28, 2014 7:30:27 GMT
Assuming you can extract the pieces then I'd assume they'd fit, lightpipes and all. The canopy is held in by a screw, but you'll need to pop out the bar that holds the TF mechanism together to get to it. Lightpipe.... not so sure. I've never disassembled a lightpipe toy.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jun 28, 2014 7:40:32 GMT
3. Hoist - Back in 97 I didn't have a Hoist, I did have a Hubcab, Prowl and Mirage, even if only the G2 gobot, so it was bought by default. It's probably the weakest of the 4 moulds, but I still like it as it's a little different. Not sure I see the Prime repaint. Here's an image of the KO I was thinking of: i40.photobucket.com/albums/e240/MB3-DeeJay/Transformers/KOs/RMKOs03.jpgYou could go two ways with that: Take the flames off, paint the legs blue and call it Optimus Keep the flames, loose the blue on the head for red & make the solid blue yellow then call it Rodimus. Actually there's a bucketload of decent repaints to be had out of these toys Green & Orange Hoist as Hoist. Orange Hoist as Grapple Silver & Red Megatron as Megatron Grey & blue Megatron as Megaplex Green Megatron as G2 Megatron Purple Megatron as Archforce Thundercracker/Skywarp in their original colours with a new head. You might as well do a Starscream too. And a Black MW Starscream And if we're doing new heads..... A Mirage/Jet pairing with the same new head in red/grey as Fastlane & Cloudraker.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jun 28, 2014 7:43:50 GMT
1. Waspinator - Phils not wrong, the Machine Wars toys are light on paint, but Waspinator almost goes too far the other way, theres paint everywhere. My favourite detail is the underside of the wings. Completely painted over to homage the original Beast Wars toys translucent wings. It's brilliant, most toys wont go to the effort to paint the whole of the top side of the wings let alone the bottom, but Waspinators wings on the top are full of paint detail too. So is everything else. Got a perfect head for a pre Beast Waspy. As much as I love MW Jets and Waspinator I've never been tempted to chase this despite it being the only version of a Flipchaner I've never owned. It's clever, yes, but a bit too busy with the colours and a little too similar to Wingstun
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 3, 2014 7:45:41 GMT
No use teasing this week's cos you can work it out. But I think the voting this week is going to be wide and *very* interesting ....
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