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Post by Andy Turnbull on Sept 1, 2012 13:46:40 GMT
Essential Warlock is making it's way to my home too. I absolutely love that issue with Jonah against Bastion. One of the stand out moments in the 90's X books. Problem I had with O:ZT is that it didn't really do much with the premise afterwards. It had been hyped as a real game changer but things fell into place again far too quickly afterwards.
Andy
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 1, 2012 14:30:20 GMT
too right. But it was damm good.
Took some trades away on holiday
Operation Zero Tolerance: one of my favourite X-Men stories and sadly uncollected for many years (or so I thought) This volume has two of my favourite X-Men issues with the one where Jonah Jameson goes up against Bastion and where the groups of X-Men all arrive home to find the mansion stripped while trying to save Cyclops' life.
Avengers: Trial of Yellowjacket (Avengers 212-230) Now how this hasn't been collected before defeats me as the story is so key in the Marvel Universe. The problem is it isn't very good, or at least isn't till Stern shows up in the late 220s.
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Sept 3, 2012 16:10:26 GMT
Essential Warlock arrived. Damned fine looking book. Skimmed through it. Proper read later.
Andy
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 3, 2012 16:25:16 GMT
yeah had a flick through myself. Do i need to read the start or can I just pick up with Cosmic Jim?
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Sept 3, 2012 16:28:14 GMT
You can start with cosmic Jim. The first three pages of his run give you a nice potted history of the character. Although the first two issues are worth a look purely for some super gorgeous Gil Kane linework. There's also three issues of Conway/Trimpe Hulk sandwiched inbetween.
Andy
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 3, 2012 16:39:32 GMT
right so good reasons to read then
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Sept 3, 2012 16:45:40 GMT
Yes, but be prepared once Kane leaves you have 6 issues of struggling through some poor Mike Friedrich scripted material...
Andy
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 3, 2012 16:58:32 GMT
DO NOT start with the pre-Cosmic Jim stuff. It is dross and will completely turn you off.
-Ralph
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Sept 3, 2012 17:24:19 GMT
Again, the art in the first couple of issues tides you over, but the minute Gil Kane leaves by god it becomes difficult.
Andy
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 3, 2012 18:21:39 GMT
DO NOT start with the pre-Cosmic Jim stuff. It is dross and will completely turn you off. -Ralph You forget that I am the man that read the Essential Nova trade. All of it. |
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 3, 2012 19:09:43 GMT
You are insane!
-Ralph
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Post by legios on Sept 3, 2012 19:37:03 GMT
You are a brave man Phil, a very brave man. You have already proven this once, surely you have nothing further to prove.
Karl
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 3, 2012 19:58:44 GMT
Once more I must take part in this mighty quest against crap comicry.
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Post by Jim on Sept 3, 2012 23:15:39 GMT
So having the Masterworks vol.2 already I have no compelling reason to get this? Thought it might be a cheap way to see just what the pre-Cosmic Jim stuff was like, but if it's really that bad...
-Jim
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 4, 2012 7:10:04 GMT
If you want to read the pre-Cosmic Jim stuff best borrow it from someone or the library. It is awful.
-Ralph
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Post by Jim on Sept 4, 2012 13:26:09 GMT
I really should remember to use the library for these things more often.
Even so, if they're really that bad I think I have better things to do with my reading time.
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Sept 4, 2012 15:31:38 GMT
You know how Stan Lee saw the Silver Surfer as Jesus?
Well the Roy Thomas/Mike Friedrich Warlock is like that - turned up to 11.
Andy
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 4, 2012 17:33:08 GMT
He even has disciples.
And this is intended to be a Jesus analogue. Thomas has said as much.
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 4, 2012 17:40:12 GMT
See also: The Aquarian
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 4, 2012 17:43:54 GMT
The Aquarian was great! One of those shit characters I have a soft spot for.
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 4, 2012 18:19:17 GMT
I've got this tickle at the back of my head that there's an Aquarian/Hellcow story. Am I right?
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 4, 2012 19:04:47 GMT
Don't think so. He did meet Man-Thing though.
-Ralph
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Post by Jim on Sept 6, 2012 16:27:34 GMT
Captain America: Operation Rebirth, the first collection of Mark Waid's 90s run. This is the first time I've read this, having read the post Heroes Reborn run back when it first came out and has been a sort of missing link in my reading for a good fifteen years.
As such, it's a bit disappointing - it's got its moments and some nice ideas, but never really comes together as anything special. Garney here is far from his best (I can see why some were put off him back then). That said, for me Garney's work takes a leap up for the final issue, strangely enough, no different inker or anything obvious which might change things up.
The post HR run is much better, but it's interesting to have caught up at last.
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Sept 6, 2012 16:36:07 GMT
I'm a big fan of this run of Cap stuff. It reinvigorated the title after Mark Gruenwald's run, which had kind of lost it's way. Garney was a bit rough around the edges, but found his stride. Glad they got to pick things up again after HR, which was a dreadful run of Cap stories, possibly the worst.
Andy
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Sept 6, 2012 16:36:19 GMT
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Post by Jim on Sept 7, 2012 9:36:47 GMT
I'm a big fan of this run of Cap stuff. It reinvigorated the title after Mark Gruenwald's run, which had kind of lost it's way. Garney was a bit rough around the edges, but found his stride. Glad they got to pick things up again after HR, which was a dreadful run of Cap stories, possibly the worst. Andy Part of my disappointment is certainly weight of expectations - in my mind they had become this brief golden age I'd only read about after the fact, brutally cut off by HR, that I never quite managed to track down and read. I literally started reading US comics again the month HR kicked off after a 4 year break. Crazy times. |
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Sept 7, 2012 10:26:44 GMT
Oh in context it was. If you'd been a Cap reader things had been pretty bleak. The Gru had kind of lost his way on the book, and it was floundering. Waid and Garney were a massive shot in the arm for the book.
HR not a great run, although the Choi/Lee FF wasn't bad, it was just pretty lightweight. Everything else...yeesh!
Andy
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Post by Jim on Sept 7, 2012 10:51:16 GMT
Yeah, I actually quite liked FF, moreso than the later Claremont run.
I don't resent the whole thing happening though as some of the new launches from Marvel in the meantime were great - Thunderbolts, Joe Kelly's Deadpool, the Waid Ka-zar. And then the Heroes Return launches were a huge improvement (still sad Alan Davis didn't have a longer run).
-Jim
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Sept 7, 2012 11:07:26 GMT
Yeah those three were damned good.
The three issues of FF by Alan Davis were lovely, he did it as a favour to Scott Lobdell apparently. He is one of the best comic artists around. I do so hope we get a nice Essential Excalibur series at some point.
Andy
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 7, 2012 11:08:15 GMT
Gru should have jumped at 350. Tell your big story and go. But even before then there's mistakes. Cap does not use a gun, Cap has never killed...... All socially responsible and all but....
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