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Post by Pinwig on Aug 1, 2015 12:28:54 GMT
I've got a full run except for the last six issues (57-62), which I keep meaning to look out for on ebay. I've got the outsized PP/Cloak and Dagger graphic novel too.
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Post by Jim on Aug 1, 2015 21:27:37 GMT
Volume 4 of the Power Pack trades was solicited but sadly cancelled.
If you count omnibi (I know you said trade), AWC 31-41 and annual 3 have been reprinted in vol. 2.
Interesting we're seeing the pre-Heroes Reborn Cap Epic so soon after the FF one. Wonder if we'll see the same for Iron Man and Avengers later next year. It's almost like they're book-ending things!
(though I slightly hope not. There're many Iron Man epics I'd be happy to see before we get to Teen Tony)
-Jim
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Post by The Doctor on Aug 2, 2015 12:57:20 GMT
Recently read Ultron Unbound. It partly contains the '94 Vision mini. It is...not good.
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Aug 3, 2015 19:06:17 GMT
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Post by Philip Ayres on Aug 6, 2015 9:13:42 GMT
Read the Ellis Moon Knight last night. Like his Secret Avengers it's a series of "done in ones" and it's entertaining stuff. BUT ... It did make me think Batman quite frequently. As I was deprived of the iPad and home alone I finally had the time to get round to reading Moon Knight v2 last night. Pretty good stuff, but I generally like things Brian Wood has written including his X-Men and Secret Invasion: Captain Marvel. Not as good as the Ellis volume but still.... Also finally finished Miracleman v3 which has been sitting with a bookmark in it for ages. Can't say that it blew me away. The "to read" pile is smaller this morning and better for it. |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Aug 7, 2015 16:19:46 GMT
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Post by Philip Ayres on Aug 8, 2015 7:22:09 GMT
My much delayed Hawkeye v4: Rio Bravo trade is packing at Amazon! Apparently I ordered it July 2014!
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Aug 26, 2015 17:06:15 GMT
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Aug 26, 2015 17:28:48 GMT
Some good Doctor Strange in that one.
Andy
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Post by Jim on Aug 26, 2015 21:22:03 GMT
Wow, that crept up a bit, doesn't seem like all that long since the last batch. I am glad these keep going! They're great for taking on holiday.
-Jim
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Post by Benn on Aug 29, 2015 10:50:59 GMT
I kinda want to start re-reading the X-Men stuff from the late 80's early 90's type era up to Onslaught. Any ideas where to begin? Or does it all just roll on from the earlier Claremont stuff?
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Aug 29, 2015 11:30:23 GMT
Good starting point is X-Men 1, Uncanny 281.
As close to a clean slate as you can get.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Aug 29, 2015 11:49:22 GMT
Onslaught really kicks off from the end of Age of Apocalypse, in which case you want:
X-Men Prime
Uncanny X-Men 322 onwards
X-Men 42 onwards
That's in the three Road to Onslaught volumes, the Prelude to Onslaught volume and four The Complete Onsalught Epic volumes.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Sept 6, 2015 15:54:06 GMT
The Avengers WC 'Darker Than Scarlet' pocketbook is OK. 'Ant-Man: Origins' is good but I've read most of the content before in other trades. (It contains Marvel Premiere #47-48, Iron Man #131-133, Avengers #195-196 and 223, and Marvel Team-Up #103.) I was hoping it would contain the origin of the original Ant-Man.
I have also picked up X-Men: Age of Apocalypse Alpha, but have not had time to read this yet.
Awaiting delivery of the Doctor Strange pocketbook.
Martin
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Sept 12, 2015 17:52:26 GMT
Some good Doctor Strange in that one. Andy I loved it. Very H.P. Lovecraft. Martin |
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Sept 13, 2015 17:43:16 GMT
Picked up The New Defenders Volume 1 and X-Men Forever Series 2 V3 from yon shop in Edinburgh.
I do love me the New Defenders, a much underrated title and sadly jettisoned for X-Factor back in the day.
Andy
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 13, 2015 21:18:30 GMT
That's because it was poo!
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 13, 2015 21:26:50 GMT
Shush Burns, we've done this before and you're very wrong.
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 13, 2015 21:28:36 GMT
I speak truth to power.
-Ralph
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Sept 13, 2015 22:20:13 GMT
Yer maw.
Andy
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 15, 2015 20:43:35 GMT
Any version of The Defenders is pish. That it ran so long yet the glory that was The Champions was cut down in its infancy angers me to this day.
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 16, 2015 8:56:27 GMT
We've done this before:
The Gerber Defenders run is one of the best things ever. FACT. How there's colour Champions trades before this is a mystery.
New Defenders is cruelly underrated. Some really good stuff going on there.
So hush.
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 16, 2015 12:42:21 GMT
How dare you slag off the glory of The Champions. I weep that my trades are lost to me. Turned to mush in storage between house moves.
Defenders is unreadable pap. Marvel's worst team-book, only trumped by New Defenders and New Warriors.
-Ralph
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 30, 2015 21:17:31 GMT
Panini are skipping Hickman Avengers but the library got a volume of it in (Infinite Avengers). Nope. Not a clue what was going on in there!
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 30, 2015 21:20:38 GMT
That's the time travel one isn't it? Yes .... not 100% essential to the central plot and full of elements that make no sense without having read the previous volumes.
You can read it all over the weekend!
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Post by Philip Ayres on Oct 14, 2015 10:00:50 GMT
I'm fascinated by crossovers mainly because they became monstrous at the precise point I started reading comics.
The simplest form of the cross over is The Guest Appearance: character from title A appears in title b: The FF are in Amazing Spider Man 1, everyone's at Read & Sue's wedding etc etc. The Avengers effectively starts off like this: it's Marvel's biggest heroes not in a team teaming up together. Marvel Team Up, very much underated, is a great example of this as every month Spider Man meets someone different.
Then we get the story that goes from one book to another. The earliest example I can think of is The Avengers/Defenders war which isn't great as neither title is particularly firing at the time. Then there's Super Villain Team Up and The Avengers (c150). There's a few others at the time when another title is used to tidy up the mess after "exciting news for all our readers inside" The best example is Avengers annual 7/Marvel Two In One annual 2 which tidies up the exciting news for Warlock's readers pulling in lots of other characters and actually being one of the best crossovers ever.
Secret Wars is a bit of an oddity really: like it's predecessor Contest of Champions it is self contained: you don't need to read anything else to understand it unlike modern crossover limited series. You get to see the heroes leave and return in their own books, sometimes with a bit of what happened in their absence. This is probably best explored in New Mutants 15-17, a book not involved in SW, when the New Mutants try to rescue Kitty Pryde and end up confronting the Hellfire club.
Secret Wars II is probably the template for major crossover events now. A central limited series with the story running over into other titles.
Stepping back little bit New Mutants and X-Men is the first real example of books multiplying and crossing over between them. Very early on New Mutants 4 leads into UXM 167 where the X-Men return home. This manifests itself in the crossovers between annuals: UXM annual 9 and what became NM special edition and NM annual 2 and UXM Annual 10. Both are fabulous, they keep them simple and tell a story over both books. Once West Coast Avengers starts the same pattern is followed. When X-Factor came along the temptation to crossover between the three X books was resisted for all of 9 issues before the Mutant Massacre. Here it grows because the creators of that event bring in other titles they work on: Louise Simonson, X-Factor writer, brings in her other book Power Pack, X-Factor's artist Walt Simonson brings in Thor and X-Men's editor Ann Nocenti brings her written title Daredevil. Mutant Massacre is really good: despite the complicated map the stories run fine in each title.
Mutant Massacre is really the blue touch paper for Crossoveritus cos it was a huge success. Ironically a much more subtle one was run at the same time as both Amazing Spider Man and West Coast Avengers have issues loosely tieing into the Under Siege story. Following Mutant Massacre we get 2 team up limited series and one one off team up special for the X-Men, all of which are somewhat difficult to place in the ongoing book's narative as is their predecessor X-Men Alpha Flight.
The real sequel to Mutant Massacre is Fall of the Mutants: another oddity, it's essentially 3 independent three issue stories running at once with virtually no crossover between them (a tv report on the events of UXM is seen in X-Factor). UXM stop on their way to Dallas to fight the Hulk, but the main tie in here is with X-Factor's new york wrecking battle with Apocalypse as Power Pack & Daredevil join in again aided by Spider Man.
One of the best crossovers occurs round this point: all 3 Spider Man titles are given over to telling Kraven's last hunt for a few months. Same writer and artist on all parts. Such a shame the trade repro is so poor.
X-Men crossovers continue annually with diminishing returns through Inferno's long awaited meeting between the X-Men and X-Factor, X-Tinction Agenda's mixed bag (shame about the X-Factor art and using fill ins on New Muitants) and the plot line wrapping Muir Island Saga.
The X-Men/Avengers annual template then gets expanded for two years into line wide annual crossovers of varying quality before settling on a smaller set of crossovers for the next few after that.
It's around here that Infinity Gaunlet comes in. Personally I was OK with it till Perez jumped ship as I'm not big Ron Lim fan!
X-cutioner's saga, where the title characters don't show up in their own book, is the first crossover between four X-books and they come thick and fast aftrer that. Age of Apocalypse I love in the alternate world style story and it';s only let down is the subsequent sequels. I've got a soft spot for Operation Zero Tolerance but any crossover post AoA is a blurr for me which I've tried to forget.
Thankfully Marvel's bankruptcy put paid to crossovers for a few years till House of M, which actually I quite like. Civil War was the real killer for me. I bought nearly everything and as it went on it descended into rubbish. The only plus point was it got me reading Thunderbolts.
Marvel's back in love with the Crossover now and does them regularly: I can't remember the last good one. Even decent writers become bogged down when handed the reigns, possibly through editorial interference. Original Sin, just drawing to a close in Panini's Mighty World of Marvel, hasn't been bad. Secret Wars had a fantastic build up over two and a bit years but the main series hasn't got the punch for a event leading series. However as it's gone on I've found the story has got better and better.
Two of the best crossovers I've read in recent years involve Judge Dredd. One was the magnificent unannounced Trifecta crossover which had been running for weeks before you had any idea that three stories had something in common! The other was between the Judge Dredd strips in 2000ad and the Megazine. Apart from the title character the only thing in common was a stolen bag of 6 million credits!
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Post by legios on Oct 14, 2015 11:01:37 GMT
I did enjoy Trifecta, precisely because the connection had been there the whole time - it just didn't click until you had a crucial bit of information. It struck me as clever and did my favourite thing for crossovers to do - come about because a thing happens which affects certain folk and they react to it. It is why I like things like the Mutant Massacre - if you are only reading Thor then his issues of that are still understandable because they are -"Thor goes into the Morlock tunnels to investigate a terrible thing which has happened, stuff ensues, then Thor is called away to other things. In a similar way the Secret Wars II tie-i s are great because they are mostly about how the Beyonder intrudes into ongoing storylines in a title and how his interference affects them. There is less sense of the "Now you must buy another ten comics to understand the story in your comic this month". That is less likely to make me want to buy those comics these days, more likely to make me drop the one I was buying until the crossover is done. (Did that with Dark Cyberton. Dropped MTME for the duration and came back when it was done.)
Karl
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Post by Philip Ayres on Oct 15, 2015 12:37:24 GMT
Thanks to a tip off from Burns I raided the closest Works to my Mum's this morning and came away the owner of a dirt cheap Crimson Empire III trade.
Loads of Marvel trades inc Alpha Flight Classic v2 for a tenner. You need that book.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Oct 20, 2015 15:57:46 GMT
Crossovers.... What order did the modern Marvel Crossovers appear in? I'm pretty sure about House of M
Civil War
Secret Invasion
Siege But somewhere along the line comes Shadowlands, Fear Her and the one where the dead come back (Chaos War?). Plus the X-Men crossovers Messiah Complex, Messiah War, Necrosha & Second Coming Then we get X-Men vs Avengers
Inifinty
Original Sin
Axis
Spiderverse
Secret War Have I missed any? (probably) |
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Post by Jim on Oct 20, 2015 16:18:41 GMT
World War Hulk
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