X-Men

[Philip Ayres]

No, She was Betsy Braddock in Kwannon's body.

And Kwannon was in Betsy's original body

[blueshift]

The Kwannon thing was itself a retcon though wasn't it? It was originally Betsy's body made asian by the hand/mojo/siege perillous

[Andy Turnbull]

Yes.

The Mojo/Spiral connection starts with the X-Men annual where she gets bionic eyes. She'd been blinded by Slaymaster in Captain Britain and had refused bionics as I recall. The eyes would then let Mojo spy on the X-Men. She has the bionics and when she goes through the Siege Perilous and that coupled with the Hand ends up with her being asian.

X-Men 17 has a purple haired psychic show up in a cameo, then X-Men 20 she appears at the mansion and a kerfuffle ensues. She only lasts another year before dying from the Legacy Virus. Then somehow comes back much later.

[Andy Turnbull]

House of X Issue 1.

Good start, enjoyed that.

Andy

[Philip Ayres]

Jul 25, 2019 23:10:08 GMT Andy Turnbull said:

Yes.

The Mojo/Spiral connection starts with the X-Men annual where she gets bionic eyes. She'd been blinded by Slaymaster in Captain Britain and had refused bionics as I recall. The eyes would then let Mojo spy on the X-Men. She has the bionics and when she goes through the Siege Perilous and that coupled with the Hand ends up with her being asian.

Didn't she get the eye in New Mutants Annual 2, her first Marvel US appearance? That then sort of leads into X-Men annual 10 which I think was what you're thinking of, and also has Mojo/Spiral in it as does the NM annual

[The Doctor]

Jul 25, 2019 19:26:41 GMT Philip Ayres said:

No, She was Betsy Braddock in Kwannon's body.

And Kwannon was in Betsy's original body

My head hurts.
If Betsy is in Kwannon's body then how can Kwannon be in Betsy's body?? Nnhh.

-Ralph

[Philip Ayres]

Their minds were swapped. It was a Mojo Spiral thing

[Philip Ayres]

If it's any consolation, it was pish at the time!

The original "Betsy has been changed by the Siege Perilous" explanation was far better, especially considering what it did to Rogue - separated her and Ms Marvel.

[Andy Turnbull]

Powers of X Issue 1

Answers a few questions regards the promo art and leaves is with more. Hickman on form here.

[Andy Turnbull]

So HoX and PoX?

Who else has been keeping up with it, the X-books have not been this good since Morrison.

Andy

[Philip Ayres]

Good to hear.

Waiting for the trade in a sale.

Hickman's writing something post relaunch isn't he?

EDIT www.newsarama.com/46255-marvel-comics-october-2019-solicitations.html

X-MEN #1
JONATHAN HICKMAN (W) • LEINIL FRANCIS YU (A/C)
VARIANT COVER BY ARTGERM
VIRGIN VARIANT COVER BY ARTGERM
EVERY MUTANT EVER VARIANT COVER BY MARK BAGLEY
YOUNG GUNS VARIANT COVER BY MARCO CHECCHETTO
VARIANT COVER BY RUSSELL DAUTERMAN
DESIGN VARIANT COVER BY JONATHAN HICKMAN
HIDDEN GEM VARIANT COVER BY TBA
VARIANT COVER BY TBA
PARTY VARIANT COVER BY MARK BROOKS
PREMIERE VARIANT COVER BY LEINIL FRANCIS YU
DAWN OF X!
The X-Men find themselves in a whole new world of possibility… and things have never been better! Jonathan Hickman (HOUSE OF X, POWERS OF X, SECRET WARS) and superstar artist Leinil Yu (NEW AVENGERS, CAPTAIN AMERICA) reveal the saga of Cyclops and his hand-picked squad of mutant powerhouses!
40 PGS./Rated T+ …$4.99

[The Doctor]

Aug 27, 2019 17:57:25 GMT Andy Turnbull said:

So HoX and PoX?

Who else has been keeping up with it, the X-books have not been this good since Morrison.

Andy

#1 sold out round here so haven't bothered.

-Ralph

[Andy Turnbull]

Possibly of some interest to Grand Moff Muffin

X-Men XXL

oversized presentation of the Claremont/Lee X-Men tales (not including X-Tinction Agenda.

[The Doctor]

Can Andu resist owning X-Men (1991) #1 yet again?

-Ralph

[Andy Turnbull]

Unlikely...

[Grand Moff Muffin]

Thanks, but I think the Omnibuses (Omnibi?) are big enough as it is...

Martin

[Andy Turnbull]

Heh. I suppose.

I assume I will buy this and then an artists edition will come out.

Andy

[Andy Turnbull]

HoX and PoX continue to be grand.

Nightcrawler in this week's issue. This pleased me.

[The Doctor]

Aug 30, 2019 20:42:51 GMT Andy Turnbull said:

Heh. I suppose.

I assume I will buy this and then an artists edition will come out.

Andy

You are doomed to buy X-Men (1991) #1 over and over again for all of Time.

-Ralph

[The Doctor]

Aug 30, 2019 20:43:25 GMT Andy Turnbull said:

HoX and PoX continue to be grand.

Nightcrawler in this week's issue. This pleased me.

I may give them a whirl when they are collected. I have avoided all spoilers.

-Ralph

[Philip Ayres]

And if a 40th anniversary wasn't enough, I've just discovered this issue of the X-Men I read tonight is 30 years old this month!

[Philip Ayres]

Aug 30, 2019 16:55:16 GMT Andy Turnbull said:

Possibly of some interest to Grand Moff Muffin

X-Men XXL

oversized presentation of the Claremont/Lee X-Men tales (not including X-Tinction Agenda.

Grrrr.

Collecting: Uncanny X-Men (1981) 256-258, 268-269, 274-277; X-Men (1991) 1-3

The issues which would be in my preferred "more recent" X-Men epic next year to plug the gap between Epics 17 (to 267) and 19 (from 287)

[Andy Turnbull]

HoXPoX still going great guns.

[Philip Ayres]

Dec 13, 2017 10:50:02 GMT Philip Ayres said:

Been reading X-Men Epic Collection 19: Mutant Genesis and it's a rather odd trade.

COLLECTING: VOL 19: X-MEN ANNUAL (1970) 15, X-FACTOR (1986) 65-70, UNCANNY X-MEN (1981) 278-280, X-MEN (1991) 1-3; MATERIAL FROM NEW MUTANTS ANNUAL 7, X-FACTOR ANNUAL 6

HUGE chunk of bonus material at the back: There's a Jim Lee poster from speakeasy which has an odd X-Men team configuration on it: were the teams in flux going forward or did they release specific mixed up images to muck with people's heads? There are others - definitely a Portacio one somewhere, and I think an odd X-Factor one too. There's also a fabulous Jim Lee tryptic poster set which I had hanging on my wall at University which I think depicts where they intended the team before they came up the merger with the X-Factor members: If that isn't in Volume 18 I will be VERY cross!

It's in V 17 Dissolution & Rebirth :-)

[tomwe]

I had the Colossus part of that. Only X-book I had read at that point was Generation X so I knew Banshee but didn't really know the others.

[Philip Ayres]

Had all 3, plus the 275 poster an Art Adams X-Men and an Art Adams Wolverine, on my wall at University. Somewhere they're all rolled up together in a tube, possibly in Mum's loft.

I need to talk about that poster and the X-Men in relation to the the book but I need my head together to do it. I think it's possible to roughly date the image to c265 and what Claremont was intending to end up with but as we all know he didn't!

[Philip Ayres]

The Tryptich poster is a very interesting look at what might be and what Claremont was intending at this point - there's a similar one for New Mutants in Annual 6.

Storm, Forge & "Polaris"
Wolverine, Jubillee, Psylocke & Havok
Rogue, Banshee, Colossus & Gateway

That's quite a large X-Team.

No Longshot. I get the feeling Claremont hadn't really got the hang of what to do with Longshot and probably only had him on the team to please Ann Nocenti, hence his disappearance first.

No Dazzler either. Her appearance in 259/260 does kind of write her out though with the intention she'll do something different.

No Gambit - so it's ether pre 266 or they weren't intending him to hang around for long.

Forge, Banshee & Polaris, who looks to be in her "Powerhouse" phase - the word was used by one of the Reavers in reference to her, Marvel Age said she was getting a new code name so it's kind of stuck for me - are all in the updated original X-uniforms. Everyone else is in their normal Costumes. By the time the team get back together as a team, which is most of those here minus Polaris, Havok, Rogue & Gateway, everyone bar Storm wears the X-uniforms, which is lucky for Toy Biz as that sorts them for another Wolverine. There's a similar "what might be" picture with Strong Guy in an X-Uniform like these - do a search for Jim Lee X-Men poster and it'll pop up - which he never gets to wear.

The team comes back together over Annual 14 and UXM 270-274 resulting in a line up of Storm, Wolverine, Psylocke, Jubilee, Forge, Banshee & Gambit. Of those in the poster Havok gets found, and left in the Genosha. Polaris spends ages locked up in Moira's basement and poor Gateway just gets forgotten about for a while - I think he turns up in Wolverine next where the Reavers storyline gets continued. Those three don't come back to the team for years after. Rogue's in the Savage Land but somehow later pops up on Muir Island. Colossus is left where he is till Claremont brings him back for the Muir Island story - see comments on his handling there in the Mutant Genesis Epic.

So plans are evolving. Was this the linup that Claremont intended Post Muir Island before the X-Factor merger came up?

[Philip Ayres]

Having just finished a huge bit on the new X-Men Epic I thought I'd link to it here for future reference....

I've had a check and found my other ramblings on Mutant Epics:

4 It's Always Darkest Before Dawn tmukhub.proboards.com/post/378160/thread

5 Second Genesis

17 Dissolution and Rebirth tmukhub.proboards.com/post/382227/thread

19 Mutant Genesis 278-280 tmukhub.proboards.com/post/303011/thread

New Mutants

1 tmukhub.proboards.com/post/277107/thread

2 tmukhub.proboards.com/post/378880/thread

6 Curse of the Valkyries tmukhub.proboards.com/post/314019/thread

X-Factor

1 Genesis and Apocalypse tmukhub.proboards.com/post/274250/thread

[Jaymz]

Sept 6, 2019 12:08:02 GMT Philip Ayres said:

The Tryptich poster is a very interesting look at what might be and what Claremont was intending at this point - there's a similar one for New Mutants in Annual 6.

That NM Annual 6 poster is the first appearance of Shatterstar, a good few months before his appearance in NM 99.

[Philip Ayres]

Continuing from my read of X-Men Epic Collection 17 Dissolution and Rebirth at tmukhub.proboards.com/post/382227/thread

I mention UXM 268 & 9 there.

Sept 9, 2019 12:20:23 GMT Philip Ayres said:

268 (late July 1990) is Wolverine, Psylocke & Jubilee teaming up with the Black Widow and a flashback to Wolverine in Maridpoor in WWII.

269 (August 1990) is Rogue - finally - against the Reavers, their last UXM appearance as they move onto Wolverine's solo title, then vs a separated Ms Marvel in a trip to the Savage Land which brings her into contact with Magneto.

So I've had Fantastic Four Epic 20 Into the Time Stream off the shelf to read Days of Future Present

Fantastic Four Annual 23 www.mikesamazingworld.com/mikes/features/comic.php?comicid=59926

Writer: Walter Simonson
Penciller: Jackson Guice
Inker: Geof Isherwood

Nowt wrong here, perfectly decent story and art.


New Mutants Annual 6 www.mikesamazingworld.com/mikes/features/comic.php?comicid=51174

Writer: Louise Simonson (Jones)
Pencillers: Terry Shoemaker & Chris Wozniak
Inker: Scott Williams, Allen Milgrom, Art Thibert & Harry Candelario

Now I have in my mind that Rob Liefield was meant to be drawing this, and the number of artists involved would seemingly back up that it was a last minute rush job. We criticized Chris Wozniak in Excalibur Epic Collection 2 The Cross Time Caper and he's not good here either. It's a shame because the story is reasonable.

Liefield misses the next month's New Mutants 92 too - 92 is trailed in 91 as being part of the Maridpoor story but isn't and looks like they threw out a stock issue and skipped what was planned for 92 cos 93 opens very suddenly mid scene with what looks like it would have been a great end of issue reveal for a planned 92. Can anyone recall if he was ill or anything? There's also some absence by Liefield in Xtinction Agenda that I'd like to know the story behind.

A little fishing suggests this annual occurs between New Mutants 89 & 90, mainly thanks to Rictor's hairstyle!


X-Factor Annual 5 www.mikesamazingworld.com/mikes/features/comic.php?comicid=61723

Writer: Louise Simonson (Jones)
Penciller: Jon Bogdanove
Inker: Allen Milgrom

Oh dear, the art is a bit of a train wreck here which is a shame. I recall Jon Bogdanove looking good on Power Pack and FF vs X-Men a few years earlier but I see an old friend of ours on inking duty here..... Milgrom also inks Bogdanove's Xtinction Agenda X-Factor issues and they look terrible: I'll be giving them both barrels shortly! The story in question is the fist meeting between Jean Gry and Rachel Summers so is an absolutely crucial one we'd been waiting years for and unfortunately it's all a bit meh, mainly thanks to the art.


Uncanny X-Men Annual 14 www.mikesamazingworld.com/mikes/features/comic.php?comicid=50247

Writer: Chris Claremont
Penciller: Arthur Adams
Inker: Dan Green

Uncanny X-Men Annual 13 is a train wreck, with none of the usual suspects involved. Chris Claremont is back writing for this annual and, hallelujah, so is Art Adams drawing who so successfully drew annuals 9, 10 & 12. However he somehow feels a bit off his A game here, and I'm wondering if it's the pairing with Dan Green, who hasn't inked him before. The story feels it could be a bit better, Claremont's trying to tidy everything up and I'm not sure it quite works.

But in the middle of it are two superb pages where Storm & Gambit, post UXM 267 arrive at the X-Mansion and are confronted by Cable, the New Mutants, Banshee & Forge. Finally two of the separate small groups of X-Men come together. The only problem here is this annual came out the same month as UXM 263, three months before Gambit's debut! Oooops!

The insinuation here is Ahab is a future version of Cable, something that gets nixed pretty quick when it becomes clear who Stryfe is, but that fits nicely especially with the art insinuation in the New Mutants annual that the hound Rictor fights & kills is a future version of himself!


So yeah, not the greatest set of annual, marred by some sub par art in the middle parts of the story. But by the end of it we have a team of X-Men again, which is picked up in UXM 270