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Post by Philip Ayres on Aug 7, 2015 19:17:54 GMT
Did Sideswipe or Sunstreaker appear in the TF profile features in Transformers UK during the double digit issue numbers before the A to Z series started? If so can someone get me a scan? (and remind me what the feature was called) It was called Fact File and Sideswipe is in issue #9 and Sunstreaker #11. I've been cataloguing the contents of each issue as I've been re-reading them, however those actual issues are now back in the box in my vault (read: old bedroom at parents' house). If they aren't forthcoming from scans (someone must have scans surely?) I can photograph them on Sunday. Fact File, incidentally, ran from issue #3 to #19 and seems to have ended with the first redesign of the layout. Isn't there some after that too? I recall a Scavenger one, possibly in the first part of the Smelting Pool. |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Aug 7, 2015 19:32:19 GMT
More:Can you see this on Sideswipe? No, because it's on Sunstreaker. |
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Post by Pinwig on Aug 7, 2015 20:07:10 GMT
It was called Fact File and Sideswipe is in issue #9 and Sunstreaker #11. I've been cataloguing the contents of each issue as I've been re-reading them, however those actual issues are now back in the box in my vault (read: old bedroom at parents' house). If they aren't forthcoming from scans (someone must have scans surely?) I can photograph them on Sunday. Fact File, incidentally, ran from issue #3 to #19 and seems to have ended with the first redesign of the layout. Isn't there some after that too? I recall a Scavenger one, possibly in the first part of the Smelting Pool. Oh very probably. I'm only up to issue 23. I remember the stories well enough but the minor articles I've no idea. That's why I started listing them all, for reference. It started as me trying to track all the adverts and Hello from Hasbro bits to try and work out roughly the order of toy releases. |
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Post by legios on Aug 7, 2015 20:21:26 GMT
The odd thing is that as they are both Lamborghini Countach's...I think they should both be rear-engined. That's what I don't get. As to where the shoulder mounted magnesium flares are on Sideswipe, I always assumed that they were recessed under some kind of panel - but then, I tended to see them as like flare dispensers on an aircraft rather than like road flares.
Do I think that the profiles were switched around? Yeah, probably. Does it bother me? Not really. And besides, authorial intent be damned - the supertuning was released as Sunstreaker so it is Sunstreaker, and the regular Countach was released as Sideswipe so it is Sideswipe.
Next you'll be telling me that my Cliffjumper isn't Cliffjumper because he happens to be yellow.
(I can't see a problem with their Tech Specs though, only the profile text may be reversed. Ironically, the exact opposite fate appears to have befallen Starscream and Skywarp - whose profiles are in the right place, but whose tech specs probably arent)
Karl
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Post by Philip Ayres on Aug 7, 2015 20:30:48 GMT
I wouldn't dispute they are what they are now. Just that there's been a huge cock up.
See also:
Battletrap & Flywheels
Scourge & Mega Octane
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Post by legios on Aug 7, 2015 20:57:30 GMT
I'd with the RiD. I'd say that "Scourge" fits really well with "Ruination" - although going from Black Convoy to Mega Octane might have undercut his credibility as a villain (if he was meant to have any in the first place - whether CR or RiD, if you are taking it seriously, you are doing it wrong).
I've never really had a problem with Flywheels though. After all, tanks and armoured vehicles have plenty of wheels - more than most things other than articulated lorries. And in an urban environment I can't think of many vehicles better for pulling off a trap than a helicopter and something that looks like a civilian SUV.
Karl
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Post by Philip Ayres on Aug 7, 2015 21:44:02 GMT
I'd with the RiD. I'd say that "Scourge" fits really well with "Ruination" - although going from Black Convoy to Mega Octane might have undercut his credibility as a villain (if he was meant to have any in the first place - whether CR or RiD, if you are taking it seriously, you are doing it wrong). For me it's the word Octane which implies fuel which implies Fuel Tanker which implies Black G2 Laser Rod Prime. It's an odd word top be using on something which isn't a fuel truck or possibly a race car. Mega as well implies big and it certainly is a big toy. I've never really had a problem with Flywheels though. After all, tanks and armoured vehicles have plenty of wheels - more than most things other than articulated lorries. And in an urban environment I can't think of many vehicles better for pulling off a trap than a helicopter and something that looks like a civilian SUV. Karl There's room for argument here, I'll admit, but I feel that Battletrap more suits the pair of military vehicles whereas the wheels are more obvious on the van toy. I know there's others, pre loss of trademark name roulette, but I'm struggling to remember them though. |
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Post by The Doctor on Aug 7, 2015 23:40:30 GMT
It is utterly absurd to suddenly decide that characterisations are now different for two of the original characters.
I will True Friend the world! Scorched Earth!
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Aug 8, 2015 7:20:28 GMT
We're not "suddenly deciding" it it's been known they were wrong for donkeys years!
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Post by The Doctor on Aug 8, 2015 8:35:47 GMT
No it hasn't.
Phil is on The List.
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Aug 8, 2015 8:42:38 GMT
Just cos you didn't realise it didn't mean it hadn't been noticed!
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Post by Philip Ayres on Aug 8, 2015 8:49:58 GMT
It is utterly absurd to suddenly decide that characterisations are now different for two of the original characters. As for characterisation they're both vain vicious egotists, not terribly Autobot actually, and, to be honest, might as well be interchangeable. But it's more the weapons and abilities we're talking about. |
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Post by Pinwig on Aug 8, 2015 9:01:29 GMT
Yes. I think I'd find it hard to swap the actual personalities at this point, but it's clear the weapons and abilities are the wrong way round. You couldn't just swap the personalities over because the fiction has developed what the bios started, so they're set as is.
Mind you, I can't see Sideswipe as yellow. I really like Sideswipe, my G1 is a cherished toy and the MP is probably my favourite MP car, but I don't think I'd have liked him so much if he'd been Tigertrack colours all along. Maybe that's just because I'm used to red. Similarly I don't like Sunstreaker's mould in red.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Aug 8, 2015 9:17:02 GMT
I think Sunstreaker, the character, has to be yellow. Sun implies Yellow, to my mind, rather than Red.  And yes, I think both toys look better in the colours they ended up with  |
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Post by Pinwig on Aug 8, 2015 9:21:13 GMT
The difference to me is night and day, but I can't help but wonder how much of that is just what I'm used to.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Aug 8, 2015 9:30:50 GMT
I think the yellow works better with the more black, as on Sunstreaker, to break it up.
Thinking about it I wonder if the characterisation of these two on their tech specs is why they're used so little in fiction despite Sideswipe being one of the most consistently popular Autobot car toys.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Aug 8, 2015 9:32:08 GMT
I may have made a mistake yesterday: the pile drivers aren't Sunstreaker's arm missiles, they're his arms without the missiles or hands.
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Post by Bogatan on Aug 8, 2015 10:22:24 GMT
This conversation is silly. We all know Sideswipe is an angry black robot with too many weapons and a fetish for spikes.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Aug 8, 2015 10:27:37 GMT
Like.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Aug 8, 2015 10:44:29 GMT
Did we ever get round to swapping the yellow & black in photoshop to produce G2 Sunstreaker?
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Post by Bogatan on Aug 8, 2015 11:54:16 GMT
 Not my best, but you get the idea. |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Aug 8, 2015 11:58:49 GMT
:-)
I'd never noticed before that Diaclone Sunstreaker's ears are yellow!
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Post by The Doctor on Aug 8, 2015 14:06:28 GMT
'G2' Sunstreaker still looks very calm.
-Ralph
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Post by Shockprowl on Aug 8, 2015 20:12:13 GMT
A calm and competent war machine?
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Post by Benn on Aug 9, 2015 10:19:23 GMT
I want it. Masterpiece Sunstreaker, then Masterpiece G2 Sunstreaker. Thankyew.
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Post by Pinwig on Aug 10, 2015 11:13:54 GMT
Did Sideswipe or Sunstreaker appear in the TF profile features in Transformers UK during the double digit issue numbers before the A to Z series started? If so can someone get me a scan? (and remind me what the feature was called)   |
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Post by Hero on Aug 14, 2015 7:44:58 GMT
The tech specs was a fond keepsake of the toyline for me as a kid. My brother and I collected enough of the cutouts to use as a trumph card game.
The comic tech specs in the comic were also a fond highlight.
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Aug 14, 2015 11:54:36 GMT
The tech specs were a great way to get kids to buy into the idea of repainted identical toys. You gave the characters a personality to latch on to.
Something that modern packaging has sadly eliminated.
When I was a kid, it didn't register that the jets were identical toys with different colour schemes just that they looked alike.
Andy
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Post by The Doctor on Aug 14, 2015 11:56:55 GMT
Indeed. I never registered certain toys were the same 'moulds' at all as a kid due to the influence of the tech specs and the comic.
The exception being the Magnus cab robot which we all decided at school was 'the ghost of Optimus Prime'.
-Ralph
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Aug 14, 2015 12:02:18 GMT
Indeed. I never registered certain toys were the same 'moulds' at all as a kid due to the influence of the tech specs and the comic. The exception being the Magnus cab robot which we all decided at school was 'the ghost of Optimus Prime'. -Ralph Yup. He replaced my Optimus which had broken at that point. He had a new paint job, which was special armour. Little did I know that the writers of The Return of Optimus Prime would have the same idea. Though I would swap out Optimus and Magnus' hands and heads on occasion. Andy |
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