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Post by Shockprowl on Mar 5, 2019 7:24:35 GMT
I don't think Bob Budiansky can be held responsible for the G2 tech-specs. Martin Oh no absolutely not! That is why- I DEMAND AN EXPLANATION FROM G2 LOVERS! |
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Post by Shockprowl on Mar 5, 2019 7:26:32 GMT
And yes, good points about ranks altering over time.
And I think you nailed it above, Pinwig, with your description of Ultra Magnus and Galvatron's Techspecs.
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Post by Llama God on Mar 5, 2019 7:27:08 GMT
In G2, Rapido (10) outranks Optimus Prime (9) what Well I'm assuming they've taken an average here, considering that Optimus doesn't spend all of his time being alive. So this is reasonable. |
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Post by Shockprowl on Mar 5, 2019 7:28:47 GMT
So... you loose rank when you die? You rank is directly related to your active service...?
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Post by Llama God on Mar 5, 2019 7:32:20 GMT
Well when he's dead he's not really a very active leader, so, you know...
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Post by Shockprowl on Mar 5, 2019 7:40:36 GMT
But but but you hear of 'sir Wilberfoce Huntington-Smythe', Colonel (retired). I don't think you loose your rank when you die. It's... Deathist.
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 5, 2019 9:08:05 GMT
8 is off for Magnus, but his function is given as city commander in his tech spec, which is at odds with the New Leader bit he got promoted as. A New Leader can command a city. -Ralph |
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 5, 2019 9:10:30 GMT
I don't think Bob Budiansky can be held responsible for the G2 tech-specs. Martin Oh no absolutely not! That is why- I DEMAND AN EXPLANATION FROM G2 LOVERS!When G2 was made different folk worked so it and there was no need to make new toys fit with old toys that had been discontinued and kids would not have known about. I doubt any thought went into tech specs matching toys from a decade previously. -Ralph |
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Post by blueshift on Mar 5, 2019 9:13:18 GMT
Oh no absolutely not! That is why- I DEMAND AN EXPLANATION FROM G2 LOVERS!When G2 was made different folk worked so it and there was no need to make new toys fit with old toys that had been discontinued and kids would not have known about. I doubt any thought went into tech specs matching toys from a decade previously. -Ralph In an emergency situation, Rapido outranks all Autobots on earth |
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Post by The Huff on Mar 5, 2019 10:51:27 GMT
Perhaps Rapido is Xaaron in a G2 body!
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Post by Shockprowl on Mar 5, 2019 11:27:28 GMT
Oh no absolutely not! That is why- I DEMAND AN EXPLANATION FROM G2 LOVERS!When G2 was made different folk worked so it and there was no need to make new toys fit with old toys that had been discontinued and kids would not have known about. I doubt any thought went into tech specs matching toys from a decade previously. -Ralph Unacceptable! |
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Post by Pinwig on Mar 5, 2019 11:28:30 GMT
8 is off for Magnus, but his function is given as city commander in his tech spec, which is at odds with the New Leader bit he got promoted as. A New Leader can command a city. -Ralph Yes, of course. But what I meant was that I think the bios for those characters started as one thing and became something else. Magnus isn't called a leader in his tech spec but he was in advertising by the time the toy came out. It's almost like Budianski asked what Magnus was to define him, and got told he's the commander of Autobot city without any other reference to the rest of his role in the film. |
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Post by Jim on Mar 5, 2019 11:34:47 GMT
I'd be interested in seeing a distribution of ranks, split by Autobot and Decepticon. Curious to see if one is flatter than the other, or more hierarchical, or even top-heavy.
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Post by Jim on Mar 5, 2019 11:39:27 GMT
A New Leader can command a city. -Ralph Yes, of course. But what I meant was that I think the bios for those characters started as one thing and became something else. Magnus isn't called a leader in his tech spec but he was in advertising by the time the toy came out. It's almost like Budianski asked what Magnus was to define him, and got told he's the commander of Autobot city without any other reference to the rest of his role in the film. If they did this today I'd assume it was a way of avoiding spoilers, like the Rey toys released without a lightsaber. Do we know if the Magnus toy emerged from the movie or if that redeco was already planned and just got incorporated into the movie? |
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Post by The Huff on Mar 5, 2019 14:34:21 GMT
Re. Ultra Magnus tech Specs - I always thought that they were accurate leading up to the Movie - he was City Commander until Optimus Primes death. It might have made more sense (toy wise) if after the Movie he regained that role - but the job went to Blaster (probably due to the planned scenes of him and the others that remained on Earth after the A-listers & Perceptor went to battle Unicron).
Galvatrons on the other hand - perhaps (aside from the function) the characterisation fits more with TFUK.
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Post by Toph on Mar 5, 2019 15:07:27 GMT
I don't think Bob Budiansky can be held responsible for the G2 tech-specs. Martin Oh no absolutely not! That is why- I DEMAND AN EXPLANATION FROM G2 LOVERS!That just how it be. It wouldn't be G2, otherwise |
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Post by Shockprowl on Mar 5, 2019 16:47:53 GMT
I'd be interested in seeing a distribution of ranks, split by Autobot and Decepticon. Curious to see if one is flatter than the other, or more hierarchical, or even top-heavy. Yes this would be very interesting. From my studies on the subject, ranks appear to be very function orientated. 5 Warrior, 6 Specialist etc. I think, however, for the Decepticons, it would have more interesting for their ranks to be based more on success, strength, power etc. |
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Post by The Huff on Mar 5, 2019 16:55:26 GMT
Oh no absolutely not! That is why- I DEMAND AN EXPLANATION FROM G2 LOVERS!That just how it be. It wouldn't be G2, otherwise I can't imagine Bob changing Optimus Primes original noble motto into "Even one Decepticon is one too many!" |
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 5, 2019 17:06:11 GMT
But one is too many.
-Ralph
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Mar 5, 2019 17:57:14 GMT
A New Leader can command a city. And the city can ignore his commands if he doesn't like them, as the city is also rank 8. Martin |
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 5, 2019 17:58:43 GMT
There's a story in there!
-Ralph
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Mar 5, 2019 18:07:21 GMT
Indeed.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Mar 5, 2019 18:14:14 GMT
There's a story in there! Ah, but in the Grand Moff Martinverse Prowl is Metroplex's City Commander and he has rank 9. Ultra Magnus is wandering around on Earth looking at nature and missing his girlfriend Cindy. Martin |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Mar 5, 2019 18:17:32 GMT
Perhaps Rapido is Xaaron in a G2 body! No. Thunderclash is Xaaron's new body. Martin |
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Post by Pinwig on Mar 6, 2019 13:12:05 GMT
Ooh. A proper database of all the tech spec numbers... Think of the graphs you could make with that.
Online. Configurable queries. I could do that you know. I wrote the code for my old football site that has twenty years of match stats and that has dozens of different searches. Summer holiday job.
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 6, 2019 18:00:56 GMT
Project needs a puntastic name.
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Mar 6, 2019 18:08:21 GMT
I like that idea.
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Post by Jim on Mar 6, 2019 19:24:49 GMT
When I was playing with a graph database, Neo4J, a few years ago I used Transformers as a data set to play with. Not tech specs, more about alt-modes, factions and colour schemes, but it does strike me as a great use case for a graph DB!
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Post by Pinwig on Mar 9, 2019 14:49:02 GMT
I will look into this.
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Mar 14, 2019 18:22:43 GMT
Good man.
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