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Post by Andy Turnbull on Sept 23, 2024 19:57:16 GMT
What I can be certain I currently own, there could be more, and a lot more has passed through my hands.
G1
redfoot
Powermaster
Action Master x 2
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Combat hero x 2
Laser Rod
Mega SCF Anime
Mega SCF Metallic
Spychanger Optimus Prime
Revoltech Optimus Prime
Movie Nightwatch Optimus Prime
Animated Optimus Prime
Takara Selects Star Convoy
MP44
Volvo Prime
Christmas Prime
Legacy laser Rod
Legacy Scourge
Legacy Target Optimus
Missing Link classic
Missing Link Anime
Lunar Cruiser Optimus Prime
Legacy Animated Optimus Prime
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Post by Bogatan on Sept 23, 2024 20:36:19 GMT
Martin is correct. They are completely different characters. For example, the upcoming Masterpiece Ginrai is not an Optimus Prime toy. -Ralph I deliberately skipped ....... all..... my Ginrais for this reason. And I dont have the Hasbro reissue Powermaster Prime..... actually I might Thinking about it though, Im not sure I have Hero Optimus Prime or Sureshot. I think its Prime. |
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Sept 23, 2024 20:59:32 GMT
Prime has his name on his chest windows I think?
GOOD MARTIN.
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Post by Benn on Sept 23, 2024 21:01:04 GMT
And this is why I kept my one Ginrai to a seperate section! He pulls double duty as a Generations Powermaster Prime until I can grab the proper colours TR version.
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Post by Shockprowl on Sept 23, 2024 21:51:55 GMT
Week A: How many Optimus Prime toys do you own NOW? Good idea, Big Phil! Optimus Prime: My G1 original (little more than a junker now) MP-10 6" Titanium (I think I've still got my 6"ers) Siege Earthrise 5(I also have a small-scale third-party G1y one, the trailer of which is ten times better than the Earthrise one.) |
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Post by Cullen on Sept 24, 2024 8:41:47 GMT
I suppose we could have an argument about whether Ginrai toys should count as Optimus Prime toys (any more than Optimus Primal toys should), given that Ginrai was a different character to Convoy (but the same character as Victory Leo). Anybody want to have that argument?  Martin I'm counting it from a toy POV. God Ginrai is just the Powermaster Optimus Prime toy, with some extra bits. Fire Guts Ginrai is a recolour of that toy - he could be a different character but that doesn't matter to me when counting my OP toys. Same with all the recolours I have of '84 Prime. I'm sure in some media somewhere these are not actually Optimus Prime, but they are still Optimus Prime toys I have. I didn't count Star Convoy for mine as I don't think of him as Optimus Prime (toy-wise). I also didn't count RiD Scourge even though he's a recolour of Laser Rod Optimus so clearly I'm a hypocrite here. |
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Post by that_bluestreak on Sept 24, 2024 18:07:03 GMT
So, I have... 1. G1 Optimus Prime 2. Japanese G1 Optimus Jnr 3. 00s resissue Ginrai (which is PM OP to me) 4. Movie Stratosphere tiny Optimus Prime 5. Missing Link OP 6. Cartoon reissue OP I think thats it. Nope... 7. G2 Laser Sword OP 8. Data Clerk OP 9. G2 Sureshot OP I think thats it. |
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Post by that_bluestreak on Sept 24, 2024 18:31:52 GMT
So, I have... 1. G1 Optimus Prime 2. Japanese G1 Optimus Jnr 3. 00s resissue Ginrai (which is PM OP to me) 4. Movie Stratosphere tiny Optimus Prime 5. Missing Link OP 6. Cartoon reissue OP I think thats it. Nope... 7. G2 Laser Sword OP 8. Data Clerk OP 9. G2 Sureshot OP I think thats it. Nope... 10. Action Master OP 11. black KO G1 OP |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 24, 2024 18:40:12 GMT
This happens everytime we count Optimuses - see me on the first page.
I'm pretty sure I've underdone the RTS Legends here. And I forgot TR Super Ginrai!
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 24, 2024 18:58:36 GMT
TR Super Ginrai is not Optimus Prime, chum.
-Ralph
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Post by Cullen on Sept 25, 2024 9:46:20 GMT
What about the different versions of Optimus Prime? Animated OP is different character to G1 OP who is a different character to RiD (2015) OP who is different character to Bayverse OP etc. Can you explain the system?
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 25, 2024 10:58:15 GMT
Sure.
If their name is Optimus Prime they are Optimus Prime. If their name is Ginrai they are Ginrai.
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 25, 2024 11:26:12 GMT
What if their name is Convoy?
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 25, 2024 12:01:06 GMT
Then they are Convoy.
For instance, Missing Link 1 and 2 are Convoy.
-Ralph
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Post by Benn on Sept 25, 2024 12:42:27 GMT
01. MP-4 Masterpiece Convoy 02. Encore 01 Convoy 03. Henkei! Henkei! C-01 Convoy 04. Reveal the Shield Optimus Prime 05. Titans Return Diac and Optimus Prime 06. Titans Return Refractor and Laser Prime 07. Primitive Skateboarding Optimus Prime and Shreddicus Maximus 08. WfC Netflix Optimus Prime 09. Comic Edition Optimus Prime head So you're saying my first three Optimus Primes are not Optimus Primes? |
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 25, 2024 13:02:03 GMT
Yup, but folk can call them anything they want if it makes them happy.
-Ralph
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Post by Jim on Sept 25, 2024 13:19:41 GMT
Week A: How many Optimus Prime toys do you own NOW? Roughly in the order I acquired them: Power Master (my childhood OP) RID Armada Supercon TFC Reissue MP-1 RTS Legends RTS G2 Ultimate gift-set Combat Hero MP-10 Action Master Chaos on Velocitron G2 Studio Series Bumblebee movie Earthrise Siege Galaxy upgrade Classics Missing Link C-01 Legacy Armada 17, if there's nothing I've missed. A prime number of Primes! |
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Post by legios on Sept 25, 2024 16:47:49 GMT
Sure. If their name is Optimus Prime they are Optimus Prime. If their name is Ginrai they are Ginrai. -Ralph Correct - Optimus Prime is a robot from Cybertron who can turn into a truck. Ginrai is a human truck driver from America who can merge with a vehicle shell to turn into a humanoid machine which can turn into a truck. These are definitely not the same character. By contrast, Animated Optimus Prime is a distinct version of the character Optimus Prime from The Transformers Optimus Prime. But separate characters but they are both versions of Optimus Prime. In the same way that the Merlin of BBC TV's Merlin, the Merlin of Cursed and the Merlin of La Mort D'Arthur are all distinct versions of Merlin. They are separate fictional entities, but all versions of the same character. This is not uncommon in fictions which have been added to and reworked by multiple authorship over long periods... Karl |
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Sept 25, 2024 16:48:56 GMT
Sure. If their name is Optimus Prime they are Optimus Prime. If their name is Ginrai they are Ginrai. -Ralph Correct - Optimus Prime is a robot from Cybertron who can turn into a truck. Ginrai is a human truck driver from America who can merge with a vehicle shell to turn into a humanoid machine which can turn into a truck. These are definitely not the same character. By contrast, Animated Optimus Prime is a distinct version of the character Optimus Prime from The Transformers Optimus Prime. But separate characters but they are both versions of Optimus Prime. In the same way that the Merlin of BBC TV's Merlin, the Merlin of Cursed and the Merlin of La Mort D'Arthur are all distinct versions of Merlin. They are separate fictional entities, but all versions of the same character. This is not uncommon in fictions which have been added to and reworked by multiple authorship over long periods... Karl I think all the Merlins who are not BBC Merlin would be offended by that Kaptain. |
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Post by legios on Sept 25, 2024 16:56:20 GMT
Yes. That is a discussion that would be inevitable and possibly...fraught...
S'alright, I was thinking of wintering somewhere outside of the Logres area anyway...
Karl
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Sept 25, 2024 17:17:42 GMT
Saying everyone who has the same name is a version (even a reboot reimagining) of the same character is an oversimplification.
Galvatron is the same character as the original Megatron. Beast Wars Megatron is not, he's a guy who has named himself after Megatron. Goldbug is Bumblebee. Beast Wars Inferno is not a writer's reimagining of G1 Inferno, he's a completely different character who happens to use the same name.
Martin
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Sept 25, 2024 17:20:22 GMT
What if their name is Convoy? Convoy is Japanese for Optimus Prime. Martin |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 25, 2024 17:48:04 GMT
Saying everyone who has the same name is a version (even a reboot reimagining) of the same character is an oversimplification. Galvatron is the same character as the original Megatron. Beast Wars Megatron is not, he's a guy who has named himself after Megatron. There is nothing from Hasbro that says Galvatron is Megatron, it's all on the Movie Beast Wars Megatron in the initial material is presented as G1 Megatron, likewise Optimus Prime/Primal. Only the cartoon made them different characters |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Sept 25, 2024 17:54:38 GMT
But presumably you agree Goldbug is Bumblebee, as per the tech-specs, and Beast Wars Inferno is not G1 Inferno.
Martin
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 25, 2024 18:49:05 GMT
Saying everyone who has the same name is a version (even a reboot reimagining) of the same character is an oversimplification. Galvatron is the same character as the original Megatron. Beast Wars Megatron is not, he's a guy who has named himself after Megatron. There is nothing from Hasbro that says Galvatron is Megatron, it's all on the Movie Beast Wars Megatron in the initial material is presented as G1 Megatron, likewise Optimus Prime/Primal. Only the cartoon made them different characters That is an interesting point. Galvatron's toy tech specs make no mention of Megatron. -Ralph |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Sept 25, 2024 19:13:34 GMT
That is an interesting point. Galvatron's toy tech specs make no mention of Megatron. And yet... I thought the newly designed Movie character toys were designed specifically to serve the Movie. Was I wrong? Or did they leave the secret off the tech-specs so as not to spoil the surprise? I read the tech-specs in a toy shop before Target: 2006 revealed the truth. It would have ruined the reveal if the tech-specs had told me that Galvatron was a future Megatron. As far as I know, Bob Budiansky wrote the TF Universe profiles and they were condensed to make the tech-specs. But Galvatron's TFU entry is quite different from his tech-specs. Did Bob write both or just one of them? www.ntfa.net/universe/english/index.php?act=view&char=GalvatronMartin |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Sept 25, 2024 19:27:16 GMT
It's the same with Rodimus Prime. No mention of Hot Rod on the tech-specs, but all is revealed in his TFU entry. Abilities and weaknesses the same on both, though, suggesting they were written by the same person.
Martin
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 25, 2024 19:55:28 GMT
Rodimus' design shouts Hot Rod though.
The only thing Galvatron & Mregatron have in common is a cannon on the arm and even then it's a different cannon
You show someone a Super Ginrai or Euro Hero Sureshot and most people, including many Transformers fans, would say "That's Optimus Prime" because that's what the design is saying.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Sept 25, 2024 20:04:16 GMT
The only thing Galvatron & Mregatron have in common is a cannon on the arm and even then it's a different cannon And the 'tron' part of the name. Rodimus Prime and Hot Rod were released in the same year so could have been a matching team, like the Clones, or Laserbeak and Buzzsaw, rather than the same character. Ginrai certainly looks like Optimus Prime which suggests a relationship. They could have been the same character. They could have made him Prime/Convoy's big brother. Instead they decided he was a body designed for Prime/Convoy which Prime/Convoy never got. Martin |
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Sept 25, 2024 20:20:11 GMT
There is nothing from Hasbro that says Galvatron is Megatron, it's all on the Movie Beast Wars Megatron in the initial material is presented as G1 Megatron, likewise Optimus Prime/Primal. Only the cartoon made them different characters That is an interesting point. Galvatron's toy tech specs make no mention of Megatron. -Ralph I believe the Ladybird book intros also make no reference to this either. |
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