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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Sept 25, 2024 20:24:33 GMT
I believe the Ladybird book intros also make no reference to this either. Their intro blurbs said "Leaders come and go. Galvatron travels back from the 21st Century to take over from Megatron, commander of the Decepticons. Then the strange disappearance of Optimus Prime leaves the Autobots without a leader, and Ultra Magnus arrives from Cybertron to take his place as the Autobots' new commander. And so the fight goes on, both now and far into the future, on different time levels." It was like the Ladybird books had been read by someone who had read just the opening chapters of Target: 2006 and proceeded as if it was going to remain that way for some time. Martin
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Post by Pinwig on Sept 25, 2024 20:48:37 GMT
My suspicion with that is more that Ladybird asked Hasbro for the background on the two characters and someone at Hasbro gave them a potted version of what the comic was doing. Or Hasbro just sent them that.
I think with the film characters specifically it might be that Bob did his bio writing as usual, which is where the city commander idea came from, unaware that in this case it was actually Sunbow and MP who were going to define them via the film. That might explain why the US comic never embraced them properly; they weren't Bob's creations so he didn't care.
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Post by Llama God on Sept 28, 2024 10:40:51 GMT
Alright then. I've had time to dig out the spreadsheet, so here we go. Here are all the figures I have that are Optimus Prime because that's what they're called on the box, or they're Convoys because that's his name in Japan, or it's just because it's close enough for me. (Like, my Combat Hero Prime is probably a Sureshot, but I got it unboxed, so it's Optimus Prime for me. And yes, I know about his chest stickers. And I don't care.) So here we go. Apologies for not being too specific with some of these, but this is what I had logged in my spreadsheet before the need to become ultra-specific had become a thing: - Original
- Powermaster
- Action Master
- Jr.
- Hero
- Laser Rod
- Gobot
- Star Convoy
- Machine Wars
- Robots in Disguise
- Robots in Disguise (Spychanger)
- Armada
- Armada (Voyager Class)
- Energon (Leader)
- Energon (Powerlinx/Deluxe)
- Cybertron
- Titanium - War Within
- Masterpiece (MP-01)
- Alternator
- THS-02
- Masterpiece (MP-10)
- WST
- Classics
- Robot Masters
- Nike (Blue Convoy)
- Movie (Protoform)
- Movie (Leader)
- Movie (Deluxe)
- Movie (Legends)
- Movie (Trans-Scanning)
- Movie 2 (Leader)
- Movie 2 (Voyager - small scale Leader)
- Movie 2/3 RPM (Non-transforming)
- Movie 3 Commander (Cyberverse)
- Movie 3 Commander with Trailer (Cyberverse)
- Movie 3 Sainsbury's Exclusive (Deluxe)
- Movie 3 Fireburst (Voyager)
- Movie 3 Ultimate
- Movie 4 Pack-in-with Chomp Grimlock
- Movie 4 Evasion (Voyager)
- Movie 4 Silver Knight (DotM Deluxe)
- Movie 4 Armor Knight (Leader)
- Movie 4 AD-09 (Deluxe, Protoform Repaint)
- Movie 5 Allspark Power
- Bumblebee Movie Core/Legends Thing
- Studio Series DotM Jetpower
- Studio Series Bumblebee Movie
- MPM-01
- Bumblebee Movie Masterpiece
- Animated (Deluxe Cybertron Form)
- Animated (Deluxe Earth Form)
- Animated (Supreme)
- War for Cybertron
- Fall of Cybertron
- Legends RTS
- Deluxe RTS (G2 Homage)
- Prime Cyberverse Commander
- Prime Cyberverse Commander - Nightwatch
- Prime Beast Hunters Cyberverse Commander - Thunderclash Deco
- Prime Deluxe (SDCC Exclusive)
- Prime Weaponiser
- Prime Arms Micron Gashopon Target Master Thing
- Prime Beast Hunters Dragon Blaster
- Generations Orion Pax (with comic)
- Combiner Wars
- Titans Return Laser Rod (Voyager)
- Titans Return G2 Laser Rod (Box Set)
- Titans Return Powermaster
- Legends Ginrai
- Tribute Orion Pax
- Power of the Primes Leader
- Earthrise Leader
- Generations Nano (the tiny, tiny one that came in the accessory pack with Centurion)
- Kingdom Core
- Legacy Laser Prime
- Legacy Core Gift Set
- Legacy Evolution Fractured Friendship Orion Pax
- Rescue Bots
- Rescue Bots Energize
- Rescue Bots Optimus Primal
- Rescue Bots Optimus Prime (twisting transformation - no idea what the size class is called)
- Rescue Bots Optimus Prime Racer Thing
- nuRiD Warrior
- nuRiD Warrior (Frost Thing)
- nuRiD Legends (Decepticon Hunter)
- nuRiD Large with Minicons
- Cyberverse Spin Attack (Ultra)
- Cyberverse Power Up Combiner Thing
- Cyberverse Ark Power (Ultra)
- General Optimus Prime (Botcon)
- Pretender (TFCC)
- Year of the Goat Laser Prime
- Cyber Series
- Authentics Alpha
- Authentics Bravo
- Transparent Movie Voyager KO(?)
- MAS 01
- Botshots Optimus Prime (with launcher)
- Botshots Spin Attack Optimus Prime (with launcher)
- Kre-O Small Prime
- Kre-O Large Prime
- Kreon Optimus Prime
- Kreon Optimus Prime (with Matrix Chamber)
- Construct-Bots Elite
- Construct-Bots Beast Rider Silver Knight
- Kreon Optimus Prime from AoE
- Optimash Prime
- HMV-Exclusive Michael Bay's Transformers DVD Case
- Bobble-head Optimus
- Robot Heroes
- Comic-Front Prime-Styled Freebie
- DotM Burger King Promotional Optimus Prime
This is possibly incomplete, since we've still not properly catalogued the Conjunx's collection, although there's mostly overlap between us, and not that much since Prime isn't her favourite character. Also this list should be due to be getting shorter sooner, since I do need to cut down due to space reasons. It used to be a dream of mine to get all the Primes, but that's just not practical now as they're so many of the damned things. And so few of the recent ones have sparked joy. So now I'm free to cut down - which is nice and freeing, actually...
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Post by Pinwig on Sept 28, 2024 14:35:02 GMT
Fucking hell!
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Post by that_bluestreak on Sept 29, 2024 0:57:08 GMT
woah dude
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Post by Llama God on Sept 29, 2024 7:59:38 GMT
It's fine, I can stop buying Optimus Primes any time I want. And, you know, given the age of the franchise, that's not even three a year. It's fine. All fine.
Now if only I could actually move in my dining room/office...
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Post by Benn on Sept 29, 2024 11:08:56 GMT
WAIT, I also have the Blokees Optimus and Shattered Glass Optimus!
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 29, 2024 16:05:37 GMT
It never ends!
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 29, 2024 23:08:35 GMT
Week B: How many Bumblebee toys do you own now?
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Post by Benn on Sept 30, 2024 7:53:25 GMT
Hmm... G1 G1 keychain Actionmaster Classics And I will own Golden Masterpiece BB. Currently on loan (ie technically I still own them but in other persons hands at the mo) Animated Animated Legends WfC Legends Classic I have moved on '07 concept Camaro 'Bee and the Human Alliance versions. Don't think I've ever owned the Pretender 'Bee. Might have to rectify that if I ever see him. Oh, and the original Prime version might be kicking around somewhere. Can't remember if I tried to shift him at the last AA I was at... Quite in depth there! So: G1 (signed) G1 Keychain x2 Pretender (sans shell) Action Master Classics Robot Heroes Masterpiece G2 Generations (shiny gold version) Titans Return Titans Return Legends SonicBlue Netflix Worlds Collide Studio Series 86 Blokees And in the kinda if you squint category: Creatures Collide Legacy Animated
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Post by Jim on Sept 30, 2024 8:33:52 GMT
Week B: How many Bumblebee toys do you own now? Nine in hand, potentially eleven. 1. Keychain 2. TFC #12 reissue 3. Classics 4. Encore #10 reissue 5. RotF Battle Blade 6. Arms Micron 7. Netflix 8. Buzzworthy Goldbug 9. Origins On preorder: Missing Link On its way to me from Japan: Smallest Transforming Transformers
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 30, 2024 8:45:22 GMT
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Post by Jim on Sept 30, 2024 8:53:58 GMT
My suspicion with that is more that Ladybird asked Hasbro for the background on the two characters and someone at Hasbro gave them a potted version of what the comic was doing. Or Hasbro just sent them that. I think with the film characters specifically it might be that Bob did his bio writing as usual, which is where the city commander idea came from, unaware that in this case it was actually Sunbow and MP who were going to define them via the film. That might explain why the US comic never embraced them properly; they weren't Bob's creations so he didn't care. Bob gets asked about this on the latest Triple Takeover podcast. ISTR he says that there was no pressure from Hasbro to include these characters and he had enough going on and plenty of other toys that needed to be featured.
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Post by Cullen on Sept 30, 2024 10:29:55 GMT
This is off the top of my head. I'm totally including Goldbug toys here too.
1) G1 2) Keychain reissue 3) Collection reissue 4) The ehobby white version that's a Decepticon 5) G1 Goldbug (Throttlebot) 6) Masterpiece Goldbug 7) Encore reissue
Think that's it.
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Post by Benn on Sept 30, 2024 16:08:40 GMT
Masterpiece Goldbug?
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Post by legios on Sept 30, 2024 17:47:21 GMT
I was about to say 1. However I just remembered I have a Botcon"Mirror, Mirror" Bumblebee. So, two:-
1. Bumblebee (reissue) 2. Botcon "Mirror, Mirror" Bumblebee
Karl
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Post by that_bluestreak on Sept 30, 2024 18:54:00 GMT
1. Bumblebee 2. Goldbug 3. The gun and techspecs from AM Bumblebee 4. GoBots Bumblebee 5. 2017 G1 Reissue Bumblebee 6. KO black Bumblebee 7. KO red Bumblebee
I also have a keychain Bumblebee in the To be Sold pile... I thought I had one of those so I will shift this one to the Collection.
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Post by Shockprowl on Sept 30, 2024 19:02:41 GMT
Week B: How many Bumblebee toys do you own now? Ummm, if you're talking just me: Earthrise First MP (a very small third party 'baby' Bumblebee, I forget who by, but he's exceptional. And another larger very G1y third party Bumblebee.) If you're talking the entire household: Eldest acquired my Classics. Youngest has a G1y Legion/Legend scale one, I forget which. And another slightly larger less G1y one from some line or other. So, 2, 4, 5, or 7, depending.
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Post by Cullen on Oct 2, 2024 15:40:29 GMT
My mistake - the G2 version: MP-21G. All I remembered was that it was gold.
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Post by Llama God on Oct 2, 2024 18:45:02 GMT
Once again, a slightly uncertain number since I don't know for sure what's in the Conjunx's collection. And also this is probably as large as it'll ever be, since a downsizing is due. But for now, and what I know, we have: - Bumblebee (key-chain)
- Pretender Bumblebee
- Action Master Bumblebee
- G2 Minibot Bumblebee
- GoBot Bumblebee
- Masterpiece Bumblebee
- Alternity Bumblebee
- Animated Activator Bumblebee
- Animated
- Generations Bumblebee
- Generations Legends Bumblebee (Core-sized, Early IDW RiD-style)
- 2007 Bumblebee (1970 Camaro)
- 2007 Bumblebee (2007 Camaro)
- Prime Legends Bumblebee
- Titans Return Bumblebee
- Titans Return Bumblebee - LG Version
- Studio Series Gold VW Bumblebee (from box set with two cassettes)
- Studio Series Bumblebee Movie B-128 (Cybertronian Mode)
- Bumblebee Movie Ultra Bumblebee (The one that came with the push and go motor)
- Bumblebee Movie Legends Bumblebee
- Bumblebee Movie Legends Bumblebee (Red)
- Generations Netflix Bumblebee
- Buzzworthy Bumblebee Origins Bumblebee
- Generations Legacy Gift Set Core Bumblebee
- GI Joe Crossover
- Rescue Bots (turns into a plane)
- Rescue Bots Racer thing
- Construct-Bots Bumblebee
- Tiny Titan Changers Bumblebee (VW)
- Dancing Bumblebee Speaker
And of course, since it's the same character, I'll also mention that I have: - Goldbug
- Buzzworth Bumblebee Creatures Collide Goldbug
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Oct 3, 2024 15:50:01 GMT
Four. Optimus Prime (original 1984, not a reissue) Nano Hollywood Rides Optimus Prime Hollywood Rides 1:32 Optimus Prime Hot Wheels Track Fleet Optimus Prime Very similar list for Bumblebee: Bumblebee (original 1984, not a reissue) Nano Hollywood Rides Bumblebee Hot Wheels Bumblebee Martin
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Post by Philip Ayres on Oct 6, 2024 23:03:15 GMT
Week C: How many Soundwave toys do you own now?
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Post by Benn on Oct 7, 2024 8:25:51 GMT
1. Action Master 2. Universe G1 Series 3. Masterpiece 4. Netflix 5. Bumblebee Greatest Hits
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Post by legios on Oct 7, 2024 9:01:44 GMT
1. "The Transformers" Soundwave (1984)
Karl
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Post by Bogatan on Oct 7, 2024 12:29:49 GMT
Alright then. I've had time to dig out the spreadsheet, so here we go. Here are all the figures I have that are Optimus Prime because that's what they're called on the box, or they're Convoys because that's his name in Japan, or it's just because it's close enough for me. (Like, my Combat Hero Prime is probably a Sureshot, but I got it unboxed, so it's Optimus Prime for me. And yes, I know about his chest stickers. And I don't care.) So here we go. Apologies for not being too specific with some of these, but this is what I had logged in my spreadsheet before the need to become ultra-specific had become a thing: - Original
- Powermaster
- Action Master
- Jr.
- Hero
- Laser Rod
- Gobot
- Star Convoy
- Machine Wars
- Robots in Disguise
- Robots in Disguise (Spychanger)
- Armada
- Armada (Voyager Class)
- Energon (Leader)
- Energon (Powerlinx/Deluxe)
- Cybertron
- Titanium - War Within
- Masterpiece (MP-01)
- Alternator
- THS-02
- Masterpiece (MP-10)
- WST
- Classics
- Robot Masters
- Nike (Blue Convoy)
- Movie (Protoform)
- Movie (Leader)
- Movie (Deluxe)
- Movie (Legends)
- Movie (Trans-Scanning)
- Movie 2 (Leader)
- Movie 2 (Voyager - small scale Leader)
- Movie 2/3 RPM (Non-transforming)
- Movie 3 Commander (Cyberverse)
- Movie 3 Commander with Trailer (Cyberverse)
- Movie 3 Sainsbury's Exclusive (Deluxe)
- Movie 3 Fireburst (Voyager)
- Movie 3 Ultimate
- Movie 4 Pack-in-with Chomp Grimlock
- Movie 4 Evasion (Voyager)
- Movie 4 Silver Knight (DotM Deluxe)
- Movie 4 Armor Knight (Leader)
- Movie 4 AD-09 (Deluxe, Protoform Repaint)
- Movie 5 Allspark Power
- Bumblebee Movie Core/Legends Thing
- Studio Series DotM Jetpower
- Studio Series Bumblebee Movie
- MPM-01
- Bumblebee Movie Masterpiece
- Animated (Deluxe Cybertron Form)
- Animated (Deluxe Earth Form)
- Animated (Supreme)
- War for Cybertron
- Fall of Cybertron
- Legends RTS
- Deluxe RTS (G2 Homage)
- Prime Cyberverse Commander
- Prime Cyberverse Commander - Nightwatch
- Prime Beast Hunters Cyberverse Commander - Thunderclash Deco
- Prime Deluxe (SDCC Exclusive)
- Prime Weaponiser
- Prime Arms Micron Gashopon Target Master Thing
- Prime Beast Hunters Dragon Blaster
- Generations Orion Pax (with comic)
- Combiner Wars
- Titans Return Laser Rod (Voyager)
- Titans Return G2 Laser Rod (Box Set)
- Titans Return Powermaster
- Legends Ginrai
- Tribute Orion Pax
- Power of the Primes Leader
- Earthrise Leader
- Kingdom Core
- Legacy Laser Prime
- Legacy Core Gift Set
- Legacy Evolution Fractured Friendship Orion Pax
- Rescue Bots
- Rescue Bots Energize
- Rescue Bots Optimus Primal
- nuRiD Warrior
- nuRiD Warrior (Frost Thing)
- nuRiD Legends (Decepticon Hunter)
- nuRiD Large with Minicons
- Cyberverse Spin Attack (Ultra)
- Cyberverse Power Up Combiner Thing
- Cyberverse Ark Power (Ultra)
- General Optimus Prime (Botcon)
- Pretender (TFCC)
- Year of the Goat Laser Prime
- Cyber Series
- Authentics Alpha
- Authentics Bravo
- Transparent Movie Voyager KO(?)
- MAS 01
- Botshots Optimus Prime (with launcher)
- Botshots Spin Attack Optimus Prime (with launcher)
- Kre-O Small Prime
- Kre-O Large Prime
- Kreon Optimus Prime
- Kreon Optimus Prime (with Matrix Chamber)
- Construct-Bots Elite
- Construct-Bots Beast Rider Silver Knight
- Kreon Optimus Prime from AoE
- Optimash Prime
- HMV-Exclusive Michael Bay's Transformers DVD Case
- Bobble-head Optimus
- Robot Heroes
- Comic-Front Prime-Styled Freebie
- DotM Burger King Promotional Optimus Prime
This is possibly incomplete, since we've still not properly catalogued the Conjunx's collection, although there's mostly overlap between us, and not that much since Prime isn't her favourite character. Also this list should be due to be getting shorter sooner, since I do need to cut down due to space reasons. It used to be a dream of mine to get all the Primes, but that's just not practical now as they're so many of the damned things. And so few of the recent ones have sparked joy. So now I'm free to cut down - which is nice and freeing, actually... I was too lazy to attempt this, but I thought I could steal your list and just edit it. After half an hour I got into the movie toys and wanted to cry. There are just too many almost identical uses of each mould and its exhausting.
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Post by Jim on Oct 7, 2024 12:46:17 GMT
Week C: How many Soundwave toys do you own now? 1. TFC reissue 2. Action Master 3. Animated 4. Masterpiece (Hasbro version) 5. Arms Micron 6. Siege 7. Netflix 8. Legacy (core class) 9. Smallest transforming Transformers My Action Master is still MOSC, unintentionally. Arrived the week of a house move back in 2011 so got put in a box and only recently found again, one more (international) move later! Legacy core class has been a fixture on my desk for most of the past year, such a nice little fiddle toy.
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Post by Bogatan on Oct 7, 2024 14:08:01 GMT
Week B: How many Bumblebee toys do you own now? All of them. Maybe. Maybe not. - Minibot yellow
- Minibot Red
- Goldbug
- Pretender
- Actionmaster
- G2
- Gobot
- WST
- Keyring
- Sonic Blue Bumble
- Cartoon face Encore
- Classics deluxe
- Classics legend
- Universe legends
- 2010 legends
- 2010 deluxe
- 2010 legends 2012
- United
- Kreon and big Kreo
- Kreo small
- Generations with Blazemaster
- Generations deluxe
- Goldfire
- 2014 legends
- MP-21
- Nanoblock Motion
- Titans Return
- WFC Trilogy
- Buzzworthy Bumper
- Origins Cybertronian mode
- Worlds Collide
- Creature Collide
- Legacy Buzzworthy Bumper
- Studio Series 86
- Fan Book Buzzwrthy Bumper
- 2007 legend
- 2007 legend vs Scorponok
- 2007 Deluxe classic camaro
- 2007 Towed to Safety
- 2007 deluxe concept Camaro
- 2007 deluxe Bee/Prime 2 pack
- 2007 deluxe Stealth
- 2007 Screen Battles (I think)
- 2007 Fianl Stand
- 2007 Ultimate
- ROTF legends
- ROTF Recon legends
- ROTF Stealth legends
- ROTF Transforming DVD case and clear legend
- ROTF vs Shadow Striker legend
- ROTF deluxe
- ROTF Human Alliance
- 2010 legends
- 2010 Battle balde deluxe
- DOTM legends
- DOTM Mobile Battle Bunker
- DOTM Bee/Starscream 4 pack legends
- DOTM with Soundwave and Rodimus legends 3 pack
- DOTM Bolt legend
- DOTM cyberverse clear
- DOTM deluxe mechtech
- DOTM translucent deluxe
- DOTM Cyberfire deluxe
- DOTM Trans scanning
- DOTM Streetside Brawl (I think, I have Prime and Shockwave so...)
- AOE vs Stinger with Strafe
- AOE legend Walmart/Asda exclusive 2014
- AOE vs Dinobot Strafe
- AOE deluxe no idea which version
- Constructbots dinorider
- Tiny Turbo Changers
- Tiny turbo Changer Knight Strike
- TLK legend
- TLK vs Hot Rod legend - OH MY GOD WHEN WILL THIS END!!!!!!!!!!
- TLK vs Megatron
- TLK deluxe (I have at least one, who could say which)
- Studio Series 01 deluxe
- Studio series #16 deluxe
- Vol1 Retro Rock Garage
- Vol 2 Retro Pop Highway
- Bumblebee Energon Igniters legend
- Bumblebee Speed Series legends
- Bumblebee Energon Charge (translucent) legend
- Studio Series WWII deluxe
- Animated Stealth Lockdown Legends probably
- Animated Deluxe
- Animated Elite Guard deluxe
- Animated Jetwing
- Animated Activator
- Animated Patrol activator
- Animated vs Shockwave
- Universe Animated legend
- Generations Cybertronian deluxe
- 2010 Rage over Cybertron
- Prime legend
- Prime Quickblade legend
- Prime Battle Suit legend
- Prime BH legend
- Prime RID deluxe
- Prime RID Shadow Strike deluxe
- Prime RID Weaponiser
- Prime BH deluxe
- Prime BH Night Shadow
- Rescue bots Rescan
- RID 2015 legend
- RID 2015 deluxe
- RID 2015 Night Ops deluxe
- RID 2015 Black Knight deluxe
- RID 2015 Minicon battle pack mould, not sure which
- Earthspark deluxe
- Earthspark Sonic Drive thru spoon
this is horrifying. In large part a result of attempting to collect all the movie legends toys. Which is a never endingly stupid decision.
Suprisingly no Cyberverse.
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Post by The Doctor on Oct 7, 2024 14:59:23 GMT
Movie Legends? Like Winking Kerero?
-Ralph
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Post by Bogatan on Oct 7, 2024 15:18:10 GMT
Like Winking Kerero.....
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Post by that_bluestreak on Oct 7, 2024 18:41:22 GMT
Week C: How many Soundwave toys do you own now? OK, let me see... 1. G1 Soundwave (my original toy) 2. OS KO Soundwave (which is actually the Soundblaster mold in Soundwave's colours) 3. 40th anniversary cartoon Soundwave 4. J. Balvintron I have previously owned TFC Soundwave and Soundblaster. ooooh wait 5. GoBots Soundwave 6. Animated Soundwave
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