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Post by Philip Ayres on Nov 1, 2015 11:28:58 GMT
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Post by blueshift on Nov 1, 2015 11:31:22 GMT
Rhino - G2 Primes recent reuse shows the mould is available if they can use it without the trailer. If the trailer fits any other box-cab then you could make an Outlaw with it! |
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Post by Toph on Nov 1, 2015 11:33:38 GMT
ScalpedI don't have a synopses for this. It's just playing around with forgotten concepts. Shortround is a toy collector. He gets into it with Swindle, who's trying to scalp botcon toys. And is an excuse to make botcon legends. Oh my god that's genius. I have a feeling in real life, the cost-per-legends is too high which is why we don't see them as much in Botcon as you get more of a bang for your buck with the slightly more expensive other molds, but still, man... Yeah. I have no delusions that it's a viable set. |
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Post by blueshift on Nov 1, 2015 11:39:48 GMT
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Post by Llama God on Nov 1, 2015 12:28:43 GMT
WTF?!? More MASK!
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Post by blueshift on Nov 1, 2015 12:36:18 GMT
Though apparently it's an updated version of an old convention figure that now looks even more suspiciously like Miles Mayhem but isn't honest, even though it totally is.
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Nov 3, 2015 18:02:28 GMT
Wooo!
M-M-M-M-M-MASK!
Andy
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Post by Toph on Nov 17, 2015 11:58:24 GMT
Found a list on my phone for potential Beast Wars Animated repaints.
I wouldn't expect EVERY toy on the list to be made, these are just possibilities. Plus broken down into the factions I'd assign them to as per my story idea. I also added to the list I found. (Unless specified, all base molds are from Animated)
Beast Wars Animated
Maximals:
•Arcee Primal- Blackarachnia
•Crystal Widow- Blackarachnia
•Optimus- cyb mode optimus
•Airazor- Prowl
•Backstop (Cybertron)- Sentinel, Snarl, or voy bulk
•Bonecrusher- Leader Bulkhead
•Ramulus- Oilslick
•Airazor- Prowl
•B'Boom- Cyb Ironhide
•Noctorro- Lugnut
•Torca- Leader Bulkhead
•Thunder Magnus (Thunderclash)- Ultra Magnus
•Tigatron- Cyb Ratchet
•Silverbolt- Blitzwing or Nurid Steeljaw
•K-9- Nurid Police Steeljaw
•Wolfang- Rid Steeljaw (volfang deco)
•Snarl (Cybertron)- Nurid Steeljaw
•Jawbreaker- Nurid Steeljaw
•Nightscream- Nurid Sideswipe
Autobots:
•Prowl (RiD)- Rodimus
•X-Brawn (RiD)- Cyb Ironhide
•Sideburn (RiD)- Blurr (super mode deco)
Dinobots:
•T-Wrecks- Grimlock
•Megastorm- Grimlock (cross homage mega/gigastorm)
•Terrorsaur- Swoop
•Fractyl- Swoop
•Hydra- Swoop
•Terranotron- Swoop
•Brimstone (Cybertron)- Swoop
•Strafe (aoe)- Swoop
•Guildart- Snarl
•Stockade- Snarl
•Knockdown- Snarl
•Triceradon- Snarl
•Grimstone- Snarl
•Cruellock- NuRid Grimlock
•Doom-lock- Nurid Grimlock
•Overkill- Nurid Grimlock
•Thrustor- nurid Grimlock
Predacons:
•Blackarachnia- BA (TM2 or BM deco)
•Buzzsaw- Waspinator
•Bugly- Waspinator
•Injector- Waspinator
•Dirgegun- Waspinator
•Waspinator- Waspinator (bw deco)
•Manterror- Samurai Prowl
•Shadow Panther- Rodimus
•Autolauncher- Voy Bulkhead
•Autojetter- Starscream
•Dinobot- Lockdown or Nurid Jazz
•Drillbit- Nurid legion Fixit
•Weirdwolf- Nurid Steeljaw
•Snapper- Nurid Warrior Quillfire
•Wreckloose- Nurid Warrior Thunderhoof
Terrorcons:
•Tarantulas- Prowl
•Sinnertwin- Safeguard
-Cutthroat- Jetstorm
-Divebomb- Jetfire
•Protoform X- Voy Cyb Megatron
•Retrax- Cyb Ironhide
•Bludgeon- Nurid Drift
•Blot (G1)- Nurid Warrior Quillfire
Vehicons:
•Starscream (MW)- Starscream
•Mirage- Blurr
•Obsidian- leader Megatron
•Jetstorm (BM)- Starscream
•Thrust (BM)- Nurid Warrior Fracture
•Vehicon Drone (TFP)- NuRid Bumblebee
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Post by Toph on Nov 30, 2015 4:44:11 GMT
"Welcome to Dinobot Island"
Basic theme is straight up Jurassic Park homage. BW dinosaurs decoed like JP dinosaurs, and vehicle TFs decoed like iconic JP vehicles.
Story is whatever stupid thing it needs to be to justify this.
•T. Rex- BW Megatron in JP colors
•Raptor- U. Dinobot decoed as JW Blue
•Helicopter- Cyb Evac decoed as the Ingen chopper from the JP opening
•Jeep- U. Hound as the gas powered jeep from JP
•Trike- Guildart decoed as the trike from JP
It gets a bit more limited from here, but there's enough to make some decent souvenirs. The Lost World Stego and a few vehicles.
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Post by Toph on Dec 13, 2015 6:41:09 GMT
BW Rattrap in brown, with red robot parts
Snapper in green x4
-one with blue robot parts
-one with red robot parts
-one with purple robot parts
-one with orange robot parts
Just a humble beast era Master of Circuitsu, and his four young pupils.
And TM2 Dinobot done as a particularly dicey villain.
Instead of new heads, they get new weapons.
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Post by blueshift on Dec 13, 2015 10:53:54 GMT
BW Rattrap in brown, with red robot parts Snapper in green x4 -one with blue robot parts -one with red robot parts -one with purple robot parts -one with orange robot parts Just a humble beast era Master of Circuitsu, and his four young pupils. And TM2 Dinobot done as a particularly dicey villain. Instead of new heads, they get new weapons. Oh god dammit yes. Though Snapper originally had red robot parts, so I'm not sure how you'd add value to the Botcon one? |
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Post by Kingoji on Dec 13, 2015 11:54:39 GMT
coloured kneepads and brow, green rest of arms legs and head, tan body.
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Post by Kingoji on Dec 13, 2015 12:22:29 GMT
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Post by blueshift on Dec 13, 2015 12:25:16 GMT
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Post by Llama God on Dec 13, 2015 13:08:10 GMT
YES.
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Post by Toph on Jan 5, 2016 14:47:41 GMT
So the Machine Wars set was a monumental failier, because this is the ONE LINE that FP could have put out complete in one botcon.
I think it fell so flat because
1. Poor mold choices
And 2. Collectors knew that this would NEVER be completed.
That can kill enthusiasm in collectors.
If the line had been complete, I think it would have been much more successful.
Sadly, there were molds available at that time that would have made nearly perfect updates.
So, there were 12 releases in the MW line. That creates a 5 piece box set, three 2 piece souvenirs, and the attendee bonus.
Save for Gen Hoist because towtruck, every mold I used was available to FP for their set.
Machine Wars botcon set
Box Set:
Optimus- Tfp Magnus
Megatron- Cl. Jetfire w/new head
Mirage- Cl. Mirage
Thundercracker- E. Starscream w/new head
Hoist- Gen Hoist
Attendee:
Skywarp- E. Starscream, reuse new head
Souvenir Set 1:
Starscream- U. Silverbolt w/new head
Prowl- Cl. Mirage
Souvenir Set 2:
Soundwave- CD Red Alert
Hubcap- Gen. Hoist
Souvenir Set 3:
Megaplex- Cl. Jetfire, reuse new head
Sandstorm- HftD Tomahawk
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Post by Toph on Jan 9, 2016 16:12:57 GMT
So I'm playing with a new prebeast set.
Basic story is this:
Convicted Criminal Scourge is on the loose and experamenting on innocent maximals and predacons, infecting them with a strain of the Hate Plague that's of his own design (which he's secretly working on for Megatron).
It's up to the Maximal Command Security Force (Maxcops) to find and stop him.
There are two who need to be done:
Scourge- Gen Whirl
9K- CW Streetwise
And I'm leaning towards the big toy/monster of the set as
•Barbearian- E. Landmine. The idea is that Scourge infects him with the plague to be the main distraction/problem for the maxcops to overcome. When he's finally subdued, he can't be cured, and has to live with this toxin forever (tying into his toy bio)
Everything else, I'm much more indecisive about.
•Plague Rats- Gen Rattrap in new deco as troopbuilder, sent out to spred the hate plague. Reasonably sure I'd include this.
Potentials:
•Volfang- CW Prowl
•Blackarachnia- Gen Chromia (potential plague victim)
•Sonar- BH Arcee
•Waspinator- HftD Tomahawk
•Megatron- Gen Sandstorm TM colors
•Dinobot- Gen Springer
•Terrorsaur- Gen Arm Starscream w/Jhiaxus wings
•Cybershark- Gen Skybyte
•Snapper- CW Rook
•Retrax- BH Bulkhead
Potential Maxcops:
•Wolfang- CW Prowl or Dead End
•Switchblade- cd hotshot
•Stiletto- gen Windblade
•Polar Claw- gen Roadbuster
•B'boom- CD Scattorshot
Any suggestions, or comments?
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 10, 2016 10:34:57 GMT
Bit of a tangent here but chatting to Nick the other day made me think if there is a demand for Botcon sets anymore. There's at least 4 CW boxed sets coming out at about a third or quarter price of a Botcon set that pretty much gives folk that 'experience in a box' feeling (also easier to get). Even the UW sets which have a higher price tag do much the same thing. Then you have the madness of UW Grand Galvatron (crazy collection of assorted characters from different eras). For me it embodies a Botcon set in all but name but for around $150-200 rather than $400. So my question is...are Botcon sets relevant or desireable anymore when the same sort of thing can be had elsewhere at a significantly lower price and easier availability? Or is the Botcon boxset more part of the fun of that convention and a souvenir of a good time?
-Ralph
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Post by Kingoji on Jan 10, 2016 10:50:35 GMT
I don't think I've ever even seen a set that I would want the entirety of. I think the model should be changed up... maybe a 'build a set' option from pre-existing choices.
Like, this year, only interested in Tarantulas from the box. But if there were four other guys from outside the set that I wanted, option them together.
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Post by blueshift on Jan 10, 2016 10:59:27 GMT
Botcon toys used to be exciting because of a) exclusivity and b) fan pandering decos.
Nowadays we have such a glut of merchandise (not like the days where a years worth of product were around a dozen or so figures) that added figures isn't that exciting. And thanks to Takara, everyone and their son seems to be releasing an exclusive figure.
Hasbro and Takara are also doing all the fan pandering decos themselves, leaving Botcon a bit in the dust.
And finally of course, TOO MUCH PRODUCT OH GOD. They used to be good because they felt limited and special, it's hard to make like, enough toys to fill out a subline feel limited and special, as opposed to the 1-2 we used to get.
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Post by Bogatan on Jan 10, 2016 11:08:30 GMT
I think this year is a mistake. There are going to be so many cw sets available that I cant see how dealers are going to make any real profit on a set that costs 2 or 3 times that of other to start with.
ive also heard regular attendees who arent going partly because the set does nothing for them. Its too early to say it will be a failure, but i see a lot being sold to recoup conven5ion costs which will keep resale prices low. Rightly or wrongly that's always been a measure of success.
it also just seems weirdly bland set. The TFSS mayhem and impactor set feels a lot more like a botcon set should be.
More generally, I think they just priced themselves out of the market. 10 years ago it cost $250 to go. A decade of recession and low income later and the exact same event costs $400+.
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Post by Bogatan on Jan 10, 2016 11:17:43 GMT
Botcon toys used to be exciting because of a) exclusivity and b) fan pandering decos. Nowadays we have such a glut of merchandise (not like the days where a years worth of product were around a dozen or so figures) that added figures isn't that exciting. And thanks to Takara, everyone and their son seems to be releasing an exclusive figure. Hasbro and Takara are also doing all the fan pandering decos themselves, leaving Botcon a bit in the dust. And finally of course, TOO MUCH PRODUCT OH GOD. They used to be good because they felt limited and special, it's hard to make like, enough toys to fill out a subline feel limited and special, as opposed to the 1-2 we used to get. Ive said that for an age. Ditch two or three of the box set toys, but keep the same paint app and remould budget. now all 2,3 or 4 figures all get new heads or parts and all the paint apps they would ever need. The rough price breakdown seems to be about $250 for toys $150 for the convention. So if they were willing to lose the profit form those 2 or 3 figures they could probably get the price back down to $300 and have real premium quality toys. |
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Post by blueshift on Jan 10, 2016 11:37:34 GMT
And of course, have fiction that sells the toys! There's a lot you can do with a small space.
Instead they shovel out tons and tons of nonsensical fanfic level stuff.
Really, they should be putting out some sort of fiction for free on their site before the con, available to all (not just members) to help hype up the figures.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jan 10, 2016 12:06:02 GMT
I don't think I've ever even seen a set that I would want the entirety of. I think the model should be changed up... maybe a 'build a set' option from pre-existing choices. The 2006? 2007? Set of the Decepticon jets that wasn't done in classics? |
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Post by blueshift on Jan 10, 2016 12:18:40 GMT
Yes and that one turned out well and never backfired!!
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jan 10, 2016 12:51:57 GMT
Yes but I'd have bought all of it!
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Post by blueshift on Jan 10, 2016 12:52:15 GMT
Yes but I'd have bought all of it! And then bitterly regretted it!  |
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Post by Bogatan on Jan 10, 2016 12:58:54 GMT
Botcon thrust is still way way better than the hasbro or takara version.
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Post by blueshift on Jan 10, 2016 14:15:06 GMT
Botcon thrust is still way way better than the hasbro or takara version. *Pats* Sure he is mate, sure he is... |
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Post by Jim on Jan 10, 2016 14:50:43 GMT
I wouldn't have minded the Stunticon set. That was nice and cohesive.
I generally agree with Ralph's point; the UW sets, G2 repaints and now (apparently) Liokaiser do make the BotCon boxes sort of redundant (the UW boxes themselves are quite nice as well, with the magnetic front flap - do we know if the G2 sets are like this?).
The only niche I can see FunPub filling now would be the really obscure / non-mainstream stuff, like the TFSS Carzap / Blackrock set, Serpent O.R., or the BotCon Prime / Hound pack (that said, a couple of years ago we even got RTS Prime in unreleased Hero Prime colours!).
And yes, the Club fiction needed radical improvement. It's never been great, but how could they imagine it would compete in the era of IDW Phase 2? The quality of the magazines generally, in content and production wasn't good either. The annual Japanese bookazines shame them, and I can't even read those!
-Jim
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