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Post by The Doctor on Apr 7, 2016 14:14:47 GMT
Rogue One trailer is out. Looks fun. Ralph likes Felicity Jones.
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Post by Pinwig on Apr 7, 2016 15:33:47 GMT
That looks tremendous. Feels odd to see the proper original Star Wars type technology and costumes again in a trailer for a film that looks like it'll have a darker tone. Those AT-ATs look like the slimline versions that have been in Rebels as opposed to the chunkier Hoth ones. Amazing shot of the Star Destroyers in front of the Death Star. Still not sure about Stormtroopers flying around rag doll physics style every time there's an explosion.
Ooh, very good. I just hope with a 'young female trying to prove herself' type lead we're not looking at a Hunger Games/Divergent type YA film. But then I suppose Force Awakens did keep away from that with Rey.
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Post by Stomski on Apr 7, 2016 15:42:12 GMT
Do I enforce the media blackout for this like I did EpVII?? It was an awful lot of work last time round!
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Apr 7, 2016 16:45:10 GMT
I shall have hive off the Rogue One chat to a separate thread. That way we can have a general Star Wars thread, and once it's out we can merge it back in.
That should keep you safe (ish)
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Post by Dave on Apr 7, 2016 16:53:07 GMT
Genevieve O'Reilly back as Mon Mothma, having previously played the part in Revenge of the Sith - although most of her stuff was cut.
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Apr 7, 2016 22:37:47 GMT
I bet she will get a figure before OML!
Have to say while it looked pretty I wasn't impressed. Teen hero movies aren't my thing and we have been a bit saturated with them on the big and small screens lately.
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Post by The Doctor on Apr 8, 2016 7:37:02 GMT
The main character is played by a 32-year old actor. Felicity Jones is not playing a teen hero!
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Post by jameso on Apr 8, 2016 15:31:48 GMT
I'm not really sure why, but I thought Felicity Jones was playing young Princess Leia till about two months ago. I guess that's she's actually 14 years older than the character would be should have been a giveaway  |
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Apr 8, 2016 15:40:59 GMT
The main character is played by a 32-year old actor. Felicity Jones is not playing a teen hero! -Ralph Well, it did a very good job of not coming across as one then. |
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Post by The Doctor on Apr 8, 2016 18:23:18 GMT
I'm not trying to argue for the sake of it but I am genuinely confused as to where you saw a teen hero when there isn't one on screen. I couldn't see any teens in it.
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Post by blueshift on Apr 8, 2016 18:24:59 GMT
I'm not trying to argue for the sake of it but I am genuinely confused as to where you saw a teen hero when there isn't one on screen. I couldn't see any teens in it. -Ralph In Hollywood it is normal for 30 year old actors to be playing teen characters, so it's not outside the bounds of possibility she is meant to be younger. |
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Post by The Doctor on Apr 8, 2016 18:59:27 GMT
She doesn't look like a teenager! She doesn't act like one! There's nothing to suggest it!
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Apr 8, 2016 19:17:03 GMT
The gestalt are united.
People are projecting...
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Post by The Doctor on Apr 8, 2016 20:38:09 GMT
I saw the Gonk Droid! And after his 2 appearances in TFA too! He is becoming the Stan Lee of Star Wars movies.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Apr 8, 2016 20:42:12 GMT
There's Power Droids in every Star Wars film, have you not spotted them?
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Post by Philip Ayres on Apr 8, 2016 20:43:11 GMT
In fact if you look carefully you can see the astromech for Red Leader from Star Wars in the Rogue One trailer!
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Post by Pinwig on Apr 8, 2016 21:31:10 GMT
I think teenager is misleading. The trailer had the vibe of the Hunger Games and Divergent in that it featured a young female protagonist having to prove herself. Which is boring because it's been done to death. TFA had that but handled it in a way that didn't make a thing of it. This trailer is already making a thing of it.
But it'll be fine. I guess it's a badly focused trailer. I can't see the star wars juggernaut wanting to piggyback off last year's trends. This is too big a film, being the first outside the main canon, to be a derivative of something else.
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Post by The Doctor on Apr 9, 2016 8:21:47 GMT
There's Power Droids in every Star Wars film, have you not spotted them? No! Until TFA I thought the Gonk Droid was only in the 1977 film. -Ralph |
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Post by The Doctor on Apr 9, 2016 10:38:20 GMT
I think teenager is misleading. The trailer had the vibe of the Hunger Games and Divergent in that it featured a young female protagonist having to prove herself. Which is boring because it's been done to death. TFA had that but handled it in a way that didn't make a thing of it. This trailer is already making a thing of it. But it'll be fine. I guess it's a badly focused trailer. I can't see the star wars juggernaut wanting to piggyback off last year's trends. This is too big a film, being the first outside the main canon, to be a derivative of something else. You are aware that not all Young Adult film series based on books feature a female protagonist? The other 'big' film series is The Maze Runner in which the lead is clearly a male unless he is cross-dressing. Also, the Young Adult film series trend has been with us for several years, arguably beginning with Twilight. The lead in The Hunger Games isn't trying to 'prove herself'. She's just trying to survive and often appears not to give a toss about the Big Picture. I'm also not aware of Rogue One being based on a series of novels for 'young adults'. Criticise a trailer for what it is, not what it isn't. This is a tease meant to tell audiences the film exists. Nothing more, nothing less. Remember that folk like us know there is a Star Wars film every year now but the general audience probably doesn't. A point I do wonder about is people seeing the teaser and wondering where Rey is and how it fits with TFA. I do think it will require cleverly marketing not to confuse audiences! "Hey! It's the new Star Wars film! But it isn't set after The Force Awakens! It's set between the film made in 1977 and the film made in 2005! Yes, it's the Death Star again!" I really am very interesting in how this film will be sold! -Ralph |
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Post by blueshift on Apr 9, 2016 10:51:28 GMT
Well to be fair, there's been a lot of that type of Young Adult style films recently thanks to the Hunger Games, and the job of a teaser trailer is to give a general idea of the film and the vibe, and if that's the vibe it's giving out, then that's the vibe it's giving out, logic be dammed.
(That said, I didn't get that vibe, but I don't really watch many films)
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Post by The Doctor on Apr 9, 2016 11:45:39 GMT
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Post by Pinwig on Apr 9, 2016 12:17:46 GMT
You are aware that not all Young Adult film series based on books feature a female protagonist? The other 'big' film series is The Maze Runner in which the lead is clearly a male unless he is cross-dressing. Also, the Young Adult film series trend has been with us for several years, arguably beginning with Twilight. But, Star Wars aside, the point is that YA novels have always featured male leads; the rise of female led novels and those being successfully turned into films on the scale they have been in the last decade is a new phenomenon. Traditionally, publishers will tell you that children's books feature male lead characters because girls read about boys, but boys don't read about girls. Twilight bucked the trend and rebooted the YA genre, but that in itself came from writers who looked at shows like Buffy and books like Pullman's Dark Materials trilogy and questioned why strong female leads couldn't be made to work in books. The key was to pitch novels at early teens but give them a YA tone. 12 year old girls always want to read books about teenagers. So films like The Maze Runner, Ender's Game etc are just doing what films have always done, whereas the buzz in recent years has been about the way books and films took the female led vampire romance trend and united it with the post apocalypse genre prevalent in cinemas five years ago. When you look at books rather than films, the growth in female leads is more widespread in other genres too. There are plenty of good post apocalypse YA novels with male leads that are being ignored because female leads are the in thing. All I was suggesting was that this trailer appears to be cut to tap into that vein. Call it the zeitgeist if you want, but I would be astonished if this film was being made even ten years ago that the lead would be female. It's great - I love the fact that there is more gender equality in film for younger audiences these days, it bodes very well for the future. Nonsense. Over the trilogy she becomes the saviour of the world and has to prove her 'humble' origins aren't a barrier to her competing effectively in the games, and then leading a revolution. No, it isn't, but that doesn't stop it tapping into the current trend to utilise the mood. That's what I was doing, commenting on what the trailer presented. As said, every shot and sound bite in a film trailer serves a specific purpose, so it forms an impression of the film in the mind of the audience. This isn't really a teaser trailer in the typical sense either, not like the first TFA one was, because it is already giving information about genre, plot and character. This is beyond a simple 'there's a new SW film coming'. I did say originally that it looks tremendous, very Star Wars, and that I hope it *isn't* a film using the Hunger Games/Divergent style. Like I said, TFA managed Rey very well and it didn't feel like that. |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Apr 9, 2016 12:55:50 GMT
There's Power Droids in every Star Wars film, have you not spotted them? No! Until TFA I thought the Gonk Droid was only in the 1977 film. -Ralph There's several in SW. Definitely one INSIDE the Snadcrawler, some on the farm, might be one in the droid sale, one in Mos Eisley and, I think, some in the rebel hanger. In ESB there's several wandering round Echo base and I think one in Cloud City In ROTJ it's a Power Droid having his feet tortured in Jabba's Droid area by 8d8 starwars.wikia.com/wiki/8D8starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Power_droid |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Apr 9, 2016 12:56:42 GMT
Never mind Rogue One, I want Home One: The Admiral Ackbar Chronicles!
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Post by Philip Ayres on Apr 9, 2016 13:01:17 GMT
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Post by Rich on Apr 9, 2016 15:20:52 GMT
For what it's worth, I'm very much in the 'this is a trailer designed to evoke certain recent female-led films' and, particularly, the Hunger Games crowd. This article shows some of the reasons for this (though it is also clickbait and some - lots - of its points are clearly making up the numbers). www.bustle.com/articles/152971-proof-rogue-one-hunger-games-are-basically-the-same-movie-photosMuch of the comparison is superficial and it would be nice to think that R1 will do something interesting and new with its protagonist, but there seems little doubt to me that the people who cut the trailer wanted to tap into a 'if you liked these films, particularly HG' then you may very well want to give this a go. I expect future trailers to be more nostalgia heavy. |
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Post by Rich on Apr 9, 2016 15:41:25 GMT
Also, they choose to have her 'own since she was 15! as a key bit of dialogue and she says she 'rebels'.
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Post by The Doctor on Apr 9, 2016 20:31:41 GMT
"I love humans. Always seeing patterns in things that aren't there."
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Post by Philip Ayres on Apr 14, 2016 15:55:37 GMT
Burns, the next time you're in the smoke are we going to have to take you to the Underground station location that you can see in the trailer?   |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Apr 14, 2016 18:09:28 GMT
I showed the top picture to Jonathan cos I thought it'd be interested: He knew exactly where it was! |
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