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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on May 3, 2021 14:04:53 GMT
I'm not really following this thread, but I'm hoping people aren't labelling the Bumblebee movie as Bayverse. It deserves better than to be categorised as such. And 'TF6' Brawn, Ratchet, Wheeljack, Soundwave etc. should be expected to look pretty much like they did in Sunbow. Martin |
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Post by Pinwig on May 3, 2021 14:48:09 GMT
I'm not really following this thread, but I'm hoping people aren't labelling the Bumblebee movie as Bayverse. It deserves better than to be categorised as such. I'm talking about the aesthetic of the character designs, so although we class Bumblebee as a separate film to the other five, the look of the robots is much more Bayverse than G1. No, not at all. If they were going to look Sunbow-esque they'd be SS86 releases. The look of the characters in Bumblebee is a hybrid between Bayverse and G1, but it's no where near Sunbow. It also wouldn't fit with the Generations line. You can't take this Soundwave and say it's 'pretty much' Sunbow.  |
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Post by Toph on May 3, 2021 15:01:57 GMT
Any similarities to Bayverse aesthetics is incidental. I don't think they look that strongly like it at all.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on May 3, 2021 15:09:18 GMT
You can't take this Soundwave and say it's 'pretty much' Sunbow. It's a design of which Sunbow could been considered a simplified representation. I've never been one of those G1 fans who considers the level of detail on the comic and cartoon model sheets to be the photo-accurate level of detail that the characters they represent would have if they existed in the real world. Just as comic and cartoon representations of humans don't show all the hairs on their heads, marks and veins on their skin, or threads on the fabric of their clothes. I always imagined that if we saw an actual photographic representation of the giant alien robot Soundwave it would look more like the above. Compare Ironhide, Ratchet, Soundwave, Shockwave and Arcee from Michael Bay's movies with Ironhide, Ratchet, Soundwave, Shockwave and Arcee from Bumblebee. The latter five can be said to be more detailed representations of the simplified drawings in Sunbow. The five in the Bay films look nothing like them. Martin |
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Post by Pinwig on May 3, 2021 15:14:50 GMT
Any similarities to Bayverse aesthetics is incidental. I don't think they look that strongly like it at all. I'd say more an evolution of the style. If there was no visual connection intended, Bumblebee's face wouldn't be based on the Bayverse one. That may be a hang over from the time the film was more rooted in the Bayverse chronology, but Bee's face is the most identifiable image from any of those films. Given we've seen major changes to characters during production like the way Sonic got redone, if they decided to separate Bumblebee from the Bayverse heritage completely, the face would have been the easiest way to do it. |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on May 3, 2021 15:17:18 GMT
Oh, I totally agree that a lot of Bumblebee himself, particularly the face, and the Camaro transformation he gets at the end, were brought over from the Bay movies. But the other characters weren't. If forced to pick one, which of the following would you say was the robot you posted a picture of above?   Martin |
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Post by Pinwig on May 3, 2021 15:29:19 GMT
You can't take this Soundwave and say it's 'pretty much' Sunbow. It's a design of which Sunbow could been considered a simplified representation. I've never been one of those G1 fans who considers the level of detail on the comic and cartoon model sheets to be the photo-accurate level of detail that the characters they represent would have if they existed in the real world. Yes, but that isn't what you said above. The point I made was that Shockprowl was excited by the prospect of these figures being SS86 ones, but they aren't. They're TF6 ones, which won't fit stylistically with the other SS86 figures. Those do follow the Sunbow character design style, so even if the Bumblebee movie versions look like more detailed versions of the Sunbow style (which they do, I agree), they won't look like ones designed for the SS86 line. Besides, some are totally different. A TF6 Brawn toy is not going to look anything like a Sunbow/Generations one would. |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on May 3, 2021 15:38:37 GMT
OK, fair enough. In my defence, I did say I'm not really following this thread and don't know what the SS86 line is. Just taking issue with the toys of the characters from the Bumblebee movie being lumped in as 'Bayverse' designs. I'd say they are 'pretty much' like Sunbow when compared with Soundwave and co. appearing in Michael Bay's movies. I can't comment on how they compare with other G1-inspired toy lines, which I'm sure will be more Sunbow-accurate.
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Post by Pinwig on May 3, 2021 15:40:51 GMT
If forced to pick one, which of the following would you say was the robot you posted a picture of above? Okay, I see the difference and I'd say it's closer to the Sunbow one, but it isn't Sunbow and toys based on it wouldn't look right to me with the SS86/Generations ones. Which is the point I was originally making to Shockprowl. Earthrise Soundwave is the right look, TF6 Soundwave isn't. |
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Post by Pinwig on May 3, 2021 15:52:57 GMT
OK, fair enough. In my defence, I did say I'm not really following this thread and don't know what the SS86 line is. It's a Studio Series sub-line that has 1986 movie characters in a style close to/interchangeable with the current Generations look. They are as Sunbow looking as Generations figures have come. Like these:  Closer to G1 than Bayverse perhaps with some of the characters as you've shown, but not close enough to be 'pretty much' to me, but then everyone's perceptions are different. |
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Post by Shockprowl on May 3, 2021 15:55:21 GMT
Stand down, Shockers, stand down. Those are all Bayverse figures except Perceptor. Oh go and fucking die already, Bayverse!!! DAMN IT!!!! |
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Post by The Doctor on May 3, 2021 17:31:32 GMT
These new toys merely have the product designation of 'TF6' as they are from the 6th live action movie. There is no more meaning to it than that.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on May 3, 2021 18:05:56 GMT
Besides, some are totally different. A TF6 Brawn toy is not going to look anything like a Sunbow/Generations one would. Well, the film only showed us those characters on Cybertron. Bumblebee's robot mode changed every time he got a new vehicle mode - as TFs' robot modes always should. Presumably Brawn's robot mode would change if he got an Earth vehicle mode in a live-action film. Not sure Sunbow ever showed us Brawn pre-Earth-mode. Though it did make everyone else's Cybertronian robot forms identical to their Earth robot forms. Which was silly. Martin |
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Post by Pinwig on May 3, 2021 18:50:57 GMT
Yes but this listing isn't going to be for a toy based on something that hasn't been seen on screen is it? Has Studio Series done any toys that aren't based on film appearances?
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Post by Benn on May 3, 2021 19:32:08 GMT
These guys were all in the Cybertron set opening. I assume they have alt modes in the concept art or something.
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Post by Pinwig on May 3, 2021 20:35:37 GMT
Yes, we're talking about their potential earth modes though. That does raise an interesting point though, if that Cybertron scene was a last minute addition, did the characters have alt modes designed? The stuff ILM released only has Bumblebee, Prime and the Tetrajet form. In the notes it says all these characters we're talking about were based off Bumblebee with bits added on. Maybe it was so rushed they didn't design alt modes, which begs the question what these toys will actually turn into. tformers.com/bumblebee-movie-ilm-concept-art-reveals-what-could-have-been-a-real-transformers-movie/34939/news.html |
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Post by The Doctor on May 3, 2021 21:14:49 GMT
Sausages.
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Post by The Huff on May 3, 2021 22:11:25 GMT
Yes but this listing isn't going to be for a toy based on something that hasn't been seen on screen is it? Has Studio Series done any toys that aren't based on film appearances? Cogman doesn't turn into a head of a vehicle in the film but the toy does. |
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Post by Toph on May 3, 2021 23:01:06 GMT
To be fair, when the toy was being made, he was supposed to.
(And it's just a repaint of TLK Cogman)
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Post by Benn on May 4, 2021 7:09:40 GMT
Wow, I am not a fan of the tone of that piece.
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Post by Llama God on May 4, 2021 7:12:47 GMT
Come on Hasbro... if we're going Perceptor you've got to be brave and do Blaster. We won't moan about him having an inevitably incomplete set of cassettes... I will. Sorry. |
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Post by Llama God on May 4, 2021 7:21:38 GMT
These guys were all in the Cybertron set opening. I assume they have alt modes in the concept art or something. As I understand it (and I don't have the time to read through that article Pinwig linked - sorry Pins!) the majority of the secondary characters didn't, since they were a last minute addition. A lot of the characters were also basically "re-skins" or slight reworkings of the same character frames, since they didn't have the time to build them all from scratch - this is why a lot of the characters have the same stocky frame and thicc thighs. As a consequence I don't think that they all had alt modes designed - although you never know, there may have been some thought given to it. All the same, I'm looking forward to these figures because I really like that half-cartoon, half-Bayverse look that those characters have in that scene. (As someone said up-thread, it's what you'd expect the cartoon designs to actually look like in real life.) So I'm excited for this, and hope that we get more than Brawn. I'd also say that I'm hoping that the TF6 Soundwave comes with a transforming converting Ravage, mostly because I can't afford that really expensive statue that has the Ravage. But given how Wheelie and Daniel have been handled in the SS line I'm not holding out much hope... |
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Post by Toph on May 4, 2021 7:38:53 GMT
They were never designed with alt modes in mind, but they still manage to look like what they turn into.
Unlike most of the "fully realized" bayverse designs.
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Post by Philip Ayres on May 4, 2021 8:00:47 GMT
Come on Hasbro... if we're going Perceptor you've got to be brave and do Blaster. We won't moan about him having an inevitably incomplete set of cassettes... I will. Sorry. I will stand with you in this endeavour WHERE'S MY TITANS RETURNS STEELJAW AND RAMHORN? AND SIEGE BUZZSAW?? |
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Post by Bogatan on May 4, 2021 8:34:16 GMT
Wow, I am not a fan of the tone of that piece. Wow. No kidding. that was just unpleasant to read. Never really got the love for the Cybertronian scene. Its nice enough but feels like a cartoon (which I know it is). It doesnt work right. The physics feel wrong. Its Pacific Rim 2 instead of Pacific Rim. At least the piece explains why all the bots had that thick thighed slightly squat look to them. Not a fan of the look on too many of them. Brawn, Ironhide and ravage I like a lot. Wheeljack and Soundwave not so much. And Im certain (as Ive said before) that many of the Bay haters who love these designs would have spat their dummies out just as they did in 2007 if they had got these then. I would like to have seen the design in a live action setting though. Just to see if they worked or if as was the justification in 07 they would look too much like video game characters. I kind of lean towards agreeing with that view, but would like to see it for myself. Maybe with more time and money they would work. |
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Post by tomwe on May 4, 2021 8:43:51 GMT
It's all about the faces. Wheeljack is my fave of those as he never had a blocky smiling relatable face. All the others with their lines and weird eyes just don't do it for me. That said, the Arcee works. But I won't be buying any of these.
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Post by Philip Ayres on May 20, 2021 18:02:04 GMT
SS Product Descriptions www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/product-descriptions-for-upcoming-studio-series-slug-gnaw-grindor-and-jolt.1213990/ Transformers Toys Studio Series 75 Deluxe Class Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen Jolt Action Figure - Ages 8 and Up, 4.5-inch Studio Series has always allowed fans to reach past the big screen and build the ultimate Transformers collection inspired by iconic movie scenes from the Transformers movie universe. Now, the Studio Series line is expanding to include the epic moments and characters from the classic 1986 The Transformers: The Movie, bringing fans a whole new series of screen-inspired figures to collect! (Each sold separately. Subject to availability.) This Studio Series 75 Deluxe Class Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen-inspired Jolt figure converts from robot to licensed Chevrolet Volt mode in 23 steps. Remove backdrop to showcase Jolt in the Pyramid Desert Battle scene. In the Pyramid Desert Battle scene from Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen, Jolt uses his electro whips to link Optimus Prime with jet parts from Jetfire, and the Autobot leader takes to the skies as Jetpower Optimus Prime! Transformers and all related characters are trademarks of Hasbro. CHEVROLET, the BOWTIE logo, CORVETTE and the CORVETTE logo, and CAMARO, are registered trademarks of General Motors, LLC. © 2021 Hasbro. All Rights Reserved. Manufactured under license from TOMY Company, Ltd. CHEVROLET, the BOWTIE logo, CORVETTE and the CORVETTE logo, and CAMARO, are registered trademarks of General Motors, LLC. STUDIO SERIES DELUXE CLASS: Deluxe Class figures are 4.5-inch collectible action figures inspired by iconic movie scenes and designed with specs and details to reflect the Transformers movie universe, now including The Transformers: The Movie! 4.5-INCH SCALE JOLT: Figure features vivid, movie-inspired deco, is highly articulated for posability, and comes with 2 electro whip accessories BIG SCREEN INSPIRED: Figure scale reflects the character’s size in the world of Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen. Figure and packaging are inspired by the iconic Pyramid Desert Battle 2 ICONIC MODES: Figure features classic conversion between robot and licensed Chevrolet Volt modes in 23 steps. Perfect for fans looking for a more advanced converting figure. For kids and adults ages 8 and up REMOVABLE BACKDROP: Removable backdrop displays Jolt figure in the Pyramid Desert Battle scene. Fans can use the backdrop and pose their figures in the scene with their own style Transformers Toys Studio Series 73 Leader Class Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen Grindor and Ravage Action Figure - Kids Ages 8 and Up, 8.5-inch Studio Series has always allowed fans to reach past the big screen and build the ultimate Transformers collection inspired by iconic movie scenes from the Transformers movie universe. Now, the Studio Series line is expanding to include the epic moments and characters from the classic The Transformers: The Movie, bringing fans a whole new series of screen-inspired figures to collect! (Each sold separately. Subject to availability.) This Studio Series 73 Leader Class Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen-inspired Grindor figure converts from robot to Sikorsky helicopter mode in 46 steps. In the Forest Fight scene, fighting Optimus Prime proves to be a headache for Grindor as the Autobot leader tears his head in two. Includes shoulder blade accessory and non-converting Ravage. Remove backdrop to showcase Grindor in the Forest Fight scene. Transformers and all related characters are trademarks of Hasbro. Sikorsky® MH-53 Pave Low™, helicopter designs are trademarks of Sikorsky Aircraft Corporation. They are licensed throughout the world to Dreamworks Productions, LLC. © 2021 Hasbro. All rights reserved. Manufactured under license from TOMY Company, Ltd. Sikorsky® MH-53 Pave Low™, helicopter designs are trademarks of Sikorsky Aircraft Corporation. They are licensed throughout the world to Dreamworks Productions, LLC. STUDIO SERIES LEADER CLASS: Leader Class figures are 8.5-inch collectible action figures inspired by iconic movie scenes and designed with specs and details to reflect the Transformers movie universe, now including The Transformers: The Movie! 8.5-INCH SCALE GRINDOR: Figure features vivid, movie-inspired deco, is highly articulated for posability and comes with a shoulder blade accessory that also attaches to forearms in robot mode. Includes non-converting Ravage figure BIG SCREEN INSPIRED: Figure scale reflects the character’s size in the world of Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen. Figure and packaging are inspired by the iconic Forest Fight scene 2 ICONIC MODES: Figure converts between robot and Sikorsky helicopter mode in 46 steps. Perfect for fans looking for a more advanced converting figure. For kids and adults ages 8 and up REMOVABLE BACKDROP: Removable backdrop displays Grindor and Ravage figures in the Forest Fight scene |
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Post by Bogatan on May 20, 2021 18:06:51 GMT
Oooo. Grindor. As much as I wanted Blackout the SS colours seemed really bland. Fingers crossed Grindor is more interesting.
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Post by Pinwig on May 20, 2021 18:20:19 GMT
Transformers Toys Studio Series 73 Leader Class Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen Grindor and Ravage Fucking Hasbro trolling bastards! Actually, that's an amazing thought. We've had Studio Series 86, what would a Studio Series 73 look like based on an imaginary Transformers film that came out in 1973? |
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Post by The Doctor on May 20, 2021 18:28:45 GMT
So many leaks today! Will there be any news left for Fan First Friday tomorrow?
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